02-03-2016 08:29 PM
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  1. constantreader16's Avatar
    Here's a link showing a comparison of specs between the 950 XL, iPhone 6S Plus and the Nexus 6P. Looking at this, how can anyone call this phone overpriced or not flagship material? It's average priced at worst, and when you start adding in all the brands of Android phones and their flagships, it starts to look like a bargain.

    Lumia 950 XL vs. the competition: The big flagship phones are here

    I've seen people absolutely tear about the 950/XL and I have yet to understand why this is the case. These phones have amazing screens, top of the line camera's, removable batteries, SD slots, some of the best processors around, and enough RAM to run a full fledged OS.

    The hardware on these devices is not a problem at all. Can we end the misconception that this is the case?
    01-31-2016 01:51 PM
  2. M4cc45's Avatar
    Not many people are complaining about the hardware (except the overheating / heat in the bottom left corner). The hardware is fantastic but missed big opportunities (i.e. no fingerprint reader for one - Hello is good but too slow and too battery consuming).

    It's the software thats an issue. I love the look of it and when it's working it's fine. I've had lots of issues with Notifications, for example, which seem to have cleared up this week. I've uninstalled Skype yet get Skype calls. I can't change accounts or remove my primary email from the device. It's just minor things like this where I now have to rebuild the phone, again, hope the notifications continue to work, and then reset it up how I like because I want to change accounts. I know I've just copied all of just my problems but there are tons out there. The apps also let the device down massively as well. I know I can open Edge and do my online banking there or submit meter readings, etc. but it's not as convenient.
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    01-31-2016 02:08 PM
  3. gpobernardo's Avatar
    I guess the general tendency is to "judge a book by its cover". True, the L950XL has the specs of a flagship phone (it is indeed a flagship phone, with the 9xx series on it anyway), but the average consumer simply doesn't look at the specs alone. How the phone looks like, how it feels in one's hands, how it shimmers and glitters and feels metallic, all contribute to making it look and feel the way a flagship phone is expected to.

    In my country, there are quite a number of phones that look more "flagship-like" (if that's even a valid term) than the 950XL even if their specs are rubbish compared to that of the L950XL. But guess what, people buy the rubbish-spec-ed phone. Do they want to brag about it? Do they want to catch other people's eyes the way the rubbish phone caught their eye in the first place?

    The specs are most of the time for the geeks, and most consumers simply aren't.... even the sales personnel at the Nokia/Microsoft store I went to wasn't fully aware of the technical specifications of the L950XL phone they had me handle (I was lucky to handle a brand new unit)! And I have to agree - the L950XL has the "wow factor" when it comes to specs... but it simply doesn't have the same effect when held in my hands. The Lumia 1020 was a professional device - it didn't look and feel like a toy. The 950XL on the other hand just lacks the construction and in-hand presence.

    So, devices are judged mostly by how they look and feel, and when they feel "poorly constructed", people would start focusing on the Resuming and Loading Screens, the App Gap, the Heating Issue when playing games, the crack on the screen after dropping it... the L950XL is a good example. Put it in a solid aluminum body that doesn't creak or bend (or even in a solid gold case), then probably people wouldn't complain as much even if it performs exactly the same way.
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    01-31-2016 02:08 PM
  4. constantreader16's Avatar
    I guess the general tendency is to "judge a book by its cover". True, the L950XL has the specs of a flagship phone (it is indeed a flagship phone, with the 9xx series on it anyway), but the average consumer simply doesn't look at the specs alone. How the phone looks like, how it feels in one's hands, how it shimmers and glitters and feels metallic, all contribute to making it look and feel the way a flagship phone is expected to.

    In my country, there are quite a number of phones that look more "flagship-like" (if that's even a valid term) than the 950XL even if their specs are rubbish compared to that of the L950XL. But guess what, people buy the rubbish-spec-ed phone. Do they want to brag about it? Do they want to catch other people's eyes the way the rubbish phone caught their eye in the first place?

    The specs are most of the time for the geeks, and most consumers simply aren't.... even the sales personnel at the Nokia/Microsoft store I went to wasn't fully aware of the technical specifications of the L950XL phone they had me handle (I was lucky to handle a brand new unit)! And I have to agree - the L950XL has the "wow factor" when it comes to specs... but it simply doesn't have the same effect when held in my hands. The Lumia 1020 was a professional device - it didn't look and feel like a toy. The 950XL on the other hand just lacks the construction and in-hand presence.

    So, devices are judged mostly by how they look and feel, and when they feel "poorly constructed", people would start focusing on the Resuming and Loading Screens, the App Gap, the Heating Issue when playing games, the crack on the screen after dropping it... the L950XL is a good example. Put it in a solid aluminum body that doesn't creak or bend (or even in a solid gold case), then probably people wouldn't complain as much even if it performs exactly the same way.
    Good points. I can see the plastic case making it seem less like a flagship to an extent. It still has a fairly sleek design though. The Samsung S III was a flagship and that was cheaper plastic than the 950XL seemingly. However, had more effort been put into the case could definitely make a difference in perception for sure.
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    01-31-2016 02:26 PM
  5. VermaEklavya's Avatar
    Those that have seen value in the product, have paid for it regardless of how much it costs... while those that have not seen any value, are the ones hoping the price would help make their decision for them. It's that simple.

    Posted via the Windows Central App for Android
    Last edited by VermaEklavya; 02-01-2016 at 09:53 PM.
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    01-31-2016 02:39 PM
  6. M4cc45's Avatar
    Also they shouldn't reinvent the wheel. Fingerprint works for a reason - use it.

    You don't have to have one - it can look different. Windows Mobile should act and look like a movile and have features suited to a mobile phone. It doesn't need to look exactly like Windows 10 and vice versa (8 was obviously suited to a mobile device and not a desktop). Yes have the ability to send and receive texts via Windows have the ability for Windows to Windows phones to have free messages but don't force us to then have to integrate into Skype. Have Microsoft Pay or whatever you want to call it. Use all that's good and then make it easier and better - I really can't see Microsoft Pay working with Hello for example - that's where the fingerprint came in really useful.

    There is easily enough space on the right to have a SIM and MicroSD 'external' slot which could then mean it's a sealed unit (I personally prefer the ability to replace the battery but for those that prefer a nice non-creaking unit this would be a solution or an option). With the locations of the SIM and SD card you could have even move them to the bottom of the phone but externally instead and that could create the sealed unit.

    I'd also say that WM10 feels like a beta at the moment. Wait until the software is at least 80/90% there before you release what everyone considers a flag ship. Really software is what MS is great at so this is the area they should get right straight away.
    01-31-2016 02:51 PM
  7. Musicman247's Avatar
    Check out this bend/scratch/heat test. 950XL does better than any other phone



    Also, no actual liquid in the liquid cooling pipe??
    02-01-2016 09:15 AM
  8. mathewhayward's Avatar
    Also, no actual liquid in the liquid cooling pipe??
    This has been discussed many times. Just because it's called 'liquid cooling' doesn't mean it has to be filled with liquid.
    02-01-2016 09:25 AM
  9. colinkiama's Avatar
    To be fair, the pictures of the devices online make the phone look bad. But it looks beautiful and feels great when you actually have it in real life
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    02-01-2016 09:31 AM
  10. Musicman247's Avatar
    This has been discussed many times. Just because it's called 'liquid cooling' doesn't mean it has to be filled with liquid.
    Don't want to go off topic, but what kool-aid is that? If something is called "liquid cooled" there should be a "liquid" component. If they said "liquid cooling inspired cooling" that would be different. That's not what they said when the devices were announced.
    02-01-2016 09:36 AM
  11. Sedp23's Avatar
    The beta os on the phone alone makes it overpriced. Add to the fact that people coming from iPhone and android will be let down from the leak of apps the price is a bit much

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    02-01-2016 11:22 AM
  12. Revvin's Avatar
    Having had a few so called premium phones - iPhone 4, 5 and an Xperia Z3 fancy aluminium and glass are not all they are cracked up to be (pardon the pun). While my iPhone 4 was surprisingly hardy the iPhone 5 was a massive disappointment. Even in a protective case the back marked quite badly as it gathered dusk and bits of grit on my pocket which left it looking far from premium out of the case. I dropped it once and the fancy aluminium deformed so badly it pushed one corner of the screen out that never went back properly and left an ugly bulge. The Xperia Z3 cracked across the screen after being dropped so the Lumia 950's replaceable plastic back is now quite a desirable feature for me. For the spec I think the 950 and 950XL are very keenly priced when compared to the iPhone and phones like the Galaxy series.
    02-01-2016 06:16 PM
  13. Alfa Kapa's Avatar
    The meaning of flagship phones:

    On top of the line phones priced above 500 euros, the buyer wants to have the best possible experience of today, both software and hardware wise.
    So when he is planning to spent this kind of money on a phone, he compares the offerings. (and always unbiased in order to help your wallet and mind)

    He has 3 ways to go:
    Android (which is a very mature OS with more than 10 awesome offerings at around this price),
    iOS (a very mature OS with two amazing offerings, in different size to choose from)
    and W10m (a beta-feeling OS with two high-speced phones).

    Most buyers (well they are biased, but leaving aside the bias) will hold in their hands the above
    offerings and "feel" the luxury, the heft, the materials and the looks INSTANTLY.

    Phones like the iPhone 6S(+), Galaxy S6(edge), Nexus 6P and even a MotoX 2nd gen just feel every penny worth of their price on your first touch,
    drop dead gorgeous devices (at least in my subconscious unbiased mind that's how the materials felt on the first touch)
    On the other hand, while I first picked up the 950XL (and then the 950) they felt nothing like 500++ euros in the hand.
    Don't get me wrong, the screens were amazing looking, but I just couldn't justify the materials used and the design for that price.
    My mind thought instantly that it felt like a 640XL and I tend to agree with it.. :P

    Then, when the average Joe "weights" the price in the hand, he will automatically assume that the software experience is also top of the line, just like the million dollar styling and feeling of those devices. (because what the ell? he is paying the price, he want the best of everything!)
    Clockwork operation of the OS and of course every app of the universe is just what he expects to get in early 2016, especially for that price.
    And in any stretch of the imagination, the W10m experience just don't feel up to par with the other 2 OSs (at least for the time I was writing this).
    As soon as Joe, who have spent already 500 euro for his phone, find out the software experience is a hot mess, he will feel:
    a) Terrible
    b) Like a fool
    c) Fooled by the inflated promises of the company
    d) 500++ euros poorer
    e) not trusting this company and telling everyone he cares about to avoid it in any cost

    End of flagship-phone definition.

    At the end of the day you have to go to the root of the problem, either you bought those 2 test devices or not.
    MS just wants to have as little losses as possible from the mobile department.
    And "loyal fans" are the front line men for their BS corporate moves, defending every bad decision they make like it is their company.
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    02-01-2016 06:32 PM
  14. VermaEklavya's Avatar
    This has been discussed many times. Just because it's called 'liquid cooling' doesn't mean it has to be filled with liquid.
    Yeah also just because its called 'flagship' doesn't mean it has to behave like one.

    Lol I'm sorry but I couldn't help myself :P

    Posted via the Windows Central App for Android
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    02-01-2016 10:25 PM
  15. Giddora's Avatar
    It is liquid cooled, but not in the old water-cooling way where you'd have to have a water pump to move around the liquid. the heatpipe is riddled with spores and has a thin channel that passively cools the hardware through vaporization. It is a tiny fraction of highly alcoholic liquid that vaporizes (releases heat) when it gets hot...

    It is actually a lot more advanced than water-cooling, but it might trick people who aren't so knowledgeable about these facts...
    02-02-2016 02:41 AM
  16. Kram Sacul's Avatar
    To be fair, the pictures of the devices online make the phone look bad. But it looks beautiful and feels great when you actually have it in real life
    Do you actually have to buy it for it look beautiful and feel great? I went to the MS store and it looked and felt cheap, like it would fall apart if you held it wrong. A light, creaky plastic toy. I was more impressed with the 640 because for the price it has a lot of bang for your buck and it runs 8.1. It also looks like a Lumia with the cyan or orange shells.
    02-02-2016 03:07 AM
  17. KimRM's Avatar
    like it would fall apart if you held it wrong. A light, creaky plastic toy.
    Well, the video in the post above clearly proves otherwise.
    02-02-2016 04:50 AM
  18. mathewhayward's Avatar
    Yeah also just because its called 'flagship' doesn't mean it has to behave like one.

    Lol I'm sorry but I couldn't help myself :P

    Posted via the Windows Central App for Android
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    02-02-2016 10:01 AM
  19. v535's Avatar
    I guess the general tendency is to "judge a book by its cover". True, the L950XL has the specs of a flagship phone (it is indeed a flagship phone, with the 9xx series on it anyway), but the average consumer simply doesn't look at the specs alone. How the phone looks like, how it feels in one's hands, how it shimmers and glitters and feels metallic, all contribute to making it look and feel the way a flagship phone is expected to.



    The specs are most of the time for the geeks, and most consumers simply aren't.... even the sales personnel at the Nokia/Microsoft store I went to wasn't fully aware of the technical specifications of the L950XL phone they had me handle (I was lucky to handle a brand new unit)! And I have to agree - the L950XL has the "wow factor" when it comes to specs... but it simply doesn't have the same effect when held in my hands. The Lumia 1020 was a professional device - it didn't look and feel like a toy. The 950XL on the other hand just lacks the construction and in-hand presence.

    So, devices are judged mostly by how they look and feel, and when they feel "poorly constructed", people would start focusing on the Resuming and Loading Screens, the App Gap, the Heating Issue when playing games, the crack on the screen after dropping it... the L950XL is a good example. Put it in a solid aluminium body that doesn't creak or bend (or even in a solid gold case), then probably people wouldn't complain as much even if it performs exactly the same way.
    The device doesn't seem to be more alive when held in hand. I like 2.5D, a slightly curved screen feels so much alive even when the phone is off. Don't you agree?
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    02-02-2016 10:20 AM
  20. gpobernardo's Avatar
    The device doesn't seem to be more alive when held in hand. I like 2.5D, a slightly curved screen feels so much alive even when the phone is off. Don't you agree?
    The specs made me want to buy the phone; holding it in my hands changed my mind.

    A curved screen looks good, but it won't look good on everything. I'm looking at composition and overall construction. If the curved screen is well-executed in a device, then it'll be good. But I must wonder about the durability of such curved screens compared to flat screens.
    02-02-2016 10:58 AM
  21. YeahRrright's Avatar
    So does it have a future?
    02-02-2016 03:21 PM
  22. VermaEklavya's Avatar
    Haha... I felt the same way making that comment too
    02-02-2016 06:24 PM
  23. Kram Sacul's Avatar
    Well, the video in the post above clearly proves otherwise.
    It bends like a wet magazine. Try doing that with the 920 or 930. You'll end up hurting yourself.
    02-02-2016 08:16 PM
  24. Noahma's Avatar
    Having the phone for a while changes the perception of it. I thought that the 830 felt cheap as hell when I moved from my 920 to it. The weight loss between devices is the thing that does it. the 920 was a HEAVY phone, it had that heft that screamed high quality. The 830 is probably 1/3rd the weight. I felt like I was going to break it when I first picked it up. My older brothers IPhone 5s felt the same way when he first got it. Felt too light and cheap. The 950xl is lighter than the 830 and a little more boxy so the thing felt a little cheap the first week I had it. After that I got used to the new weight and feel of the phone and it no longer feels different. I think I also lucked out and was careful when pulling off the back to set the thing up and there are no creaks.
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    02-02-2016 10:05 PM
  25. tgp's Avatar
    I thought that the 830 felt cheap as hell when I moved from my 920 to it. The weight loss between devices is the thing that does it.
    It is interesting how that works! I've read about how products are designed, and weight and noise are used to enhance the perception of quality. Sometimes devices could be made lighter and quieter without sacrificing durability and performance, but it is not done because of the user's perception.

    My older brothers IPhone 5s felt the same way when he first got it. Felt too light and cheap.
    I remember reading about someone who slipped some coins or something inside the case when he bought the new (at the time) iPhone because he said it felt too light! I think it was the 5 or the 5s.
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    02-02-2016 10:22 PM
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