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  1. Ryujingt3's Avatar
    My friend and I went to Korea and Japan last month and she lost her iPhone on the very first day of the trip, meaning she was forced to use my 950xl as a first time windows phone user. Her thoughts on the phone, while using it 2 straight weeks: "It was a useless POS. Your NEW PHONE shouldn't have all these problems!" I don't think I convinced her to switch to Windows
    I had a reverse experience. My friend at work broke his Android phone. I gave him one of my unused Windows phones and he isn't planning on going back to Android anytime soon. What is interesting though is that he immediately notices the app gap (don't we all?) but, like me, all the apps he actually needs (not just installing apps for the sake of it) he can get and he is more than happy with the phone overall so a win for Windows Phone in this case.
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    05-02-2016 02:56 AM
  2. Hasnz's Avatar
    I went the the otherway around.
    Its a great phone and the OS is great. But after 6 months i just couldn't have the patience to wait for further improvements and availability of service . Buggy bluetooth , no cortana/groove service in Uae. The phone/contact app is just meh. The flip board app is just sad.

    Hopefully the service phone may convince me to come back to windows bringing the features available globally and having basic things that works .

    I am a fan of a good product and it didnt deliver for the price it charged.
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    05-02-2016 06:11 AM
  3. Robert de Graaff's Avatar
    The flip board app is just sad.
    Can you elaborate on this?
    05-02-2016 07:01 AM
  4. explosive0's Avatar
    Can you elaborate on this?
    The last time I checked it out, it didn't even flip.
    05-02-2016 10:19 AM
  5. Bnik's Avatar
    I believe 10 lets you download once unavailable applications.

    However, it's worth noting that 6snap is still ban bait though.
    I thought you had to have installed it once before, while it was still available, for it to show up in your library now.
    If he is a 1st time Windows Phone user coming from iOS, it wouldn't show up in the store.
    Seems weird...
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    05-02-2016 12:15 PM
  6. ThatRecluse's Avatar
    I would wager it wasn't the best trip.

    Hey, I like all tech, but favoritism aside, iOS is a better experience. Features, well, everything has a pro and a con. I would take functionality, app availability, and support over PC like features, or HALF BAKED ideas, and poor hardware. To each their own, but there is a reason iOS is so dominant. People want to equate Apple's success in the mobile market with branding and customer loyalty. Let's be honest, most people who have iPhones do not own a Mac. PC is still dominant. So brand loyalty is not sound reasoning. If it were, Apple's market share for computing would be much much larger.

    The device just works, works well, and gets support. WP is fragmented, almost like Android. I am still on 8.1 with my M8, on Verizon. I remember MS stating that updates for and to Win 10 phone would come directly from them, but that's not entirely true. The carrier still plays a major role in the release of the software.

    I don't know. A lot of this post comes from frustration. I work very very closely with Microsoft and it's killing me to see how little they actually care about brand loyalty or follow through, and in my opinion, their user base. They talk a big game at conferences, but the execution is laughable (950 and 950XL launch, Win 10, Xbox). They get people hyped then fall extremely short. Once the attention and requests fizzle out, they're on to the next thing. I get MS is truly a software company, but that's no excuse. If you are going to get into the hardware and mobile sect, for real, then they would feverishly focus on it. If you don't you're just harming your brand and reputation. Hey, Chrome just became the #1 browser and it's been on the market for a fraction of the time as IE. Their WP market share DROPPED (didn't really think that was possible) from 3% to 2%. The Surfacebook and its massive list of bugs. Edge, being released with almost zero real threat as a web browser (no extensions, java issues) . MS' horrid W10 launch, and force feeding the upgrade without user permission, is absurd. On all of my rigs I keep getting that annoying "schedule a time for Win 10 upgrade". If you select "do not schedule" then you're fine. If you ignore the message (which most will do) then SURPRISE, you have Win 10! Give it time. MS really needs a wake up call.

    Again, please, I see a much much larger percentage of their hardware than people on this site. So spare me the "mine works just fine" or "I have zero issues" or "did you do the updates" or "TH2 blah blah blah". Issues are issues and for the average consumer, your device shouldn't need to be "looked at" or fixed, a week or month after purchase. I just met another user yesterday, and I had to break the news the VVM will not work on your "950". His response was "it always worked on my 910". My response, to myself of course, was "That's WP 10 for you."
    Last edited by ThatRecluse; 05-02-2016 at 12:51 PM.
    05-02-2016 12:21 PM
  7. ThatRecluse's Avatar
    I had a reverse experience. My friend at work broke his Android phone. I gave him one of my unused Windows phones and he isn't planning on going back to Android anytime soon. What is interesting though is that he immediately notices the app gap (don't we all?) but, like me, all the apps he actually needs (not just installing apps for the sake of it) he can get and he is more than happy with the phone overall so a win for Windows Phone in this case.
    I'm at a complete loss when people say this. Banking apps, travel apps, mobile payments, social networking...

    most, if not all major apps are missing, or are a 3rd party knockoff. Even 1st party apps work better on competing platforms. My girl goes to SPU, just purchased the SE (moving from her 640) and was literally ecstatic when she found her school had an app. BofA, Chase, US Bank...missing, and that's just to name a few. I don't drink coffee, but there isn't even a Starbucks app and MS and Starbucks are literally neighbors. Paypal for instance...haha very different experiences on iOS and Android vs WP. The WP app wont even sign me in, nor will the icon display on the start screen, even though it's "pinned".

    the app gap is real, and is more vital at this point in the mobile industry, than actually phoning or emailing. No apps, you have no platform. Ask BB.
    Last edited by ThatRecluse; 05-02-2016 at 01:27 PM.
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    05-02-2016 12:45 PM
  8. Dethroner's Avatar
    BlackBerry is no where near to the amount of apps in the Windows store. If blackberry had the amount of apps available in the windows store they'd be alive and kicking.
    05-02-2016 01:29 PM
  9. realwarder's Avatar
    Found it in my library on my 950XL but it just has an exclamation point next to it. How did you get it to install?
    I never had 6Snap. But I had Zillow and that was removed from the store but was listed and did reinstall. (Didn't run due to failed web service, but did install...)

    So you're say 6Snap actually doesn't install even from the history? Umm.
    05-02-2016 01:58 PM
  10. anon(9446280)'s Avatar
    Apple is light years away from Microsoft when it comes to user experience.
    05-02-2016 02:07 PM
  11. mikepalma's Avatar
    Apple is light years away from Microsoft when it comes to user experience.
    This must be a joke.
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    05-02-2016 02:13 PM
  12. CherokeeTX's Avatar
    I have been flirting with switching from my iPhone 6S and tried a 950XL last week.

    One thing I noticed was that you need to sign out of iMessage with the SIM card still in your iPhone. I initially signed out of iMessage after I moved the SIM over the 950XL and had no end of issues with undelivered texts. I started again, signed in to iMessage again, reset and updated the 950XL, etc then signed out with the SIM card still in my iPhone, gave it 5 mins with both phones off, put the SIM in the 950XL and everything was working perfectly (well, the texts were being sent and received as expected).

    It may or may not help but I thought I'd mention it.
    Or you can just go here: https://selfsolve.apple.com/deregister-imessage
    05-02-2016 02:16 PM
  13. dajma00's Avatar
    Dear, go to insider fast and get the preview release. There will be a few issues, but you will enjoy the new features such as double tap the task bar to turn off screen, new messaging from Win10 PC etc.
    05-02-2016 02:17 PM
  14. hasasimo's Avatar
    Apple is light years away from Microsoft when it comes to user experience.
    Couldn't agree more... I'll take Microsoft any day.
    Mach_E likes this.
    05-02-2016 02:20 PM
  15. microsoft111's Avatar
    I bought a 950 XL from Microsoft store at the end of December 2015 and then tried to get working with AT&T but, escalated supported said it wasn't supported. They couldn't get data working. Which is a different issue. Microsoft store folks said to do factory reset but, it didn't help. I returned and went with AT&T 950. Worked great with no issues. They did issue new SIM with the phone. ;)
    05-02-2016 02:22 PM
  16. CherokeeTX's Avatar
    Since Microsoft is offering the Lumia 950/950 XL with a "Buy 1 Get 1 Free" I decided to take the plunge and give it a try. I got my 950 XL and 950 today and decided to make the XL the primary device and list the 950 on eBay. If it sells then I got an XL for ~$150-20, not too bad. Was going to take a weekend challenge and see if this could become my daily driver.

    Turned on the phone,
    logged into my account(s) and upgraded to the latest version. I then started to install and update the apps....

    I know that there is a rather large app gap (especially with banking apps and games) but the essentials were there: Hulu, Netflix, Uber and even some of my vacation apps like Delta, Hilton, Marriott. But that's where things started to become a problem. I went to the Store and every time I would try and type an app in search, the keyboard would appear then disappear. This happened over and over and I couldn't search for anything. Then the store crashed.

    This started to happen a lot...A LOT, but I got the apps installed and customized my home screen to make it my own.

    I can deal with a few crashes and thought nothing of it. I finally popped my SIM card in and then things start to go bad...fast.....
    Next time I would suggest reading the quick start guide before using this or any other device. It clearly states that inserting the sim cards (and SD card if needed) should be the very first thing done before turning on the phone for the first time.

    This BOGO promo jump started my switch from iOS and I set up both phones (in addition to switching out my AppleWatch and iPad Pro for a SP 4 and MB2) and the experience has been nothing but fantastic.
    05-02-2016 02:28 PM
  17. hasasimo's Avatar
    Next time I would suggest reading the quick start guide before using this or any other device. It clearly states that inserting the sim cards (and SD card if needed) should be the very first thing done before turning on the phone for the first time.

    This BOGO promo jump started my switch from iOS and I set up both phones (in addition to switching out my AppleWatch and iPad Pro for a SP 4 and MB2) and the experience has been nothing but fantastic.
    This worries me... I've set-up two 950 XLs for family members that are currently out of town, without a hitch so far. I'll be seeing them later this week, at which point I'll insert their SIM/MicroSD cards. Hope things don't suddenly go bad.
    05-02-2016 02:50 PM
  18. sab0tage's Avatar
    I'm pretty sure you're not supposed to start the phone without the SIM in.
    05-02-2016 02:56 PM
  19. newnews's Avatar
    I disagree with this. If you are coming from low end phone, you can try low end WP. If you are from high end phone, for sure you should try high end WP handset
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    05-02-2016 03:08 PM
  20. hasasimo's Avatar
    I'm pretty sure you're not supposed to start the phone without the SIM in.
    Oops. Guess I'll find out soon enough.
    05-02-2016 04:11 PM
  21. slotti's Avatar
    Quick note on the sim before starting. So me too got the 950XL on the BOGO deal (already sold the 950 - in less than 12hours, granted I only asked $300), and I did start the phone without my card in it (my fault for not reading the quick start). Even ran software updates and everything. Had the same on the store, keyboard crashed. VVM wouldn't show...bad experience. So I decided let's give it another try and did a restore to factory reset (with my sim card in it). All good for now (only 18 hrs on it). I had the sim card in by accident on the reset, since it did not think it would have any impact, but after reading all of this, it makes total sense.
    App gap, yes...is this annoying? Yes. But still, my wife switched to an iPhone, and yes she has all these fancy apps on it, but the overall experience is stil nicer on WP (at least to my liking). She installed her weird google assistant (since Siri wouldn't want to do what she wanted it to do), and still, Cortana told me that her flight would be delayed before she even got a phone call from the airline...by the time Cortana told me her flight would actually be canceled, google finally came around and told her it would be delayed. Siri was silent.
    Just saying, no hate her for any environment, but you simply got to stick with what works best for you at a given time.
    I do agree that it is pretty sad that the office package works better on the iPhone than my XL, but compare the office package on the XL against the native iOS mail and note apps.....
    05-02-2016 04:37 PM
  22. hasasimo's Avatar
    Quick note on the sim before starting. So me too got the 950XL on the BOGO deal (already sold the 950 - in less than 12hours, granted I only asked $300), and I did start the phone without my card in it (my fault for not reading the quick start). Even ran software updates and everything. Had the same on the store, keyboard crashed. VVM wouldn't show...bad experience. So I decided let's give it another try and did a restore to factory reset (with my sim card in it). All good for now (only 18 hrs on it). I had the sim card in by accident on the reset, since it did not think it would have any impact, but after reading all of this, it makes total sense.
    App gap, yes...is this annoying? Yes. But still, my wife switched to an iPhone, and yes she has all these fancy apps on it, but the overall experience is stil nicer on WP (at least to my liking). She installed her weird google assistant (since Siri wouldn't want to do what she wanted it to do), and still, Cortana told me that her flight would be delayed before she even got a phone call from the airline...by the time Cortana told me her flight would actually be canceled, google finally came around and told her it would be delayed. Siri was silent.
    Just saying, no hate her for any environment, but you simply got to stick with what works best for you at a given time.
    I do agree that it is pretty sad that the office package works better on the iPhone than my XL, but compare the office package on the XL against the native iOS mail and note apps.....
    Were you restoring a previous backup when you did the initial set-up sans SIM card? Just curious... that may be more of culprit than set-up without a SIM card. I say this because I've noticed some people having some issues restoring from their WP 8.1 backup. My XL setups sans-SIM have been fine so far. I'm worried about what may happen after inserting the SIMs later this week though.
    05-02-2016 05:07 PM
  23. Panos Athanasiou's Avatar
    i rly dont get how many devices are problematic and many are not xd try a factory reset and see what phone it is like AT&T or something because some devices didnt get the firmware update that fixed all these problems as i remember:/ too bad. Well i would use the 950 phone for main the XL is so big.. xD
    05-02-2016 06:37 PM
  24. maxmin's Avatar
    I have to agree with the statement that iPhone just works. MS has had 3 major rewrites to their OSs since Win Mobile (before Win M 7). Each one was a full stop redo, not just upgrades. It has made for a very erratic user experience. Buggy releases, built in app inconsistences, and just plane constantly changing the way things are done. Apple has had a fairly sound basis for their OS for quite a while and made mostly incremental improvements.

    The hope for us Windows fan boys is that Win 10 will finally become a stable platform with a bright future.
    05-02-2016 07:00 PM
  25. explosive0's Avatar
    Apple is light years a̶w̶a̶y f̶r̶o̶m̶ ahead of Microsoft when it comes to user experience.
    Fixed
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    05-02-2016 08:40 PM
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