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  1. peter leung 10586's Avatar
    What about the 950XL looks "less premium" than the iPhone, at first-glance? I ask, because I find the iPhone to be very plain looking, and less premium at the outset, which makes me think that this is a pretty subjective concept, hard to "put a finger on" ;-]
    I get that if it creaks or the buttons feel cheap, or screen edge isn't nicely beveled or similar, how that detracts, but I don't see any of that in the 950 family?
    I am using iPhone SE, not the 6 series (6/6+/6s/6s+). the 6 series are ugly. SE is the same as 5/5s. it looks more premium than 950xl not only at first glance but also after some time of use.

    one more think: iOS is a good os too. it is smooth and responsive. it handles memory in different way than that of windows mobile. for example 950xl can have at most 15 apps running in background while iOS can have more than 40. 950xl flushes all memory content after a restart (power off and then power on) while iOS preserves them. even after a system update of iOS, you can still see the previously opened apps in the app switcher. iOS only hibernates, never shutdowns.
    07-22-2016 11:41 PM
  2. Kevin Rush's Avatar
    They each said "first glance". "Glance" is a Windows Phone / Mobile feature. Maybe their subconscious telling them something?

    Best Wishes
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    07-23-2016 08:08 AM
  3. PGrey's Avatar
    I am using iPhone SE, not the 6 series (6/6+/6s/6s+). the 6 series are ugly. SE is the same as 5/5s. it looks more premium than 950xl not only at first glance but also after some time of use.

    one more think: iOS is a good os too. it is smooth and responsive. it handles memory in different way than that of windows mobile. for example 950xl can have at most 15 apps running in background while iOS can have more than 40. 950xl flushes all memory content after a restart (power off and then power on) while iOS preserves them. even after a system update of iOS, you can still see the previously opened apps in the app switcher. iOS only hibernates, never shutdowns.
    Yeah, process resume is slick. It's not really "hibernate" or not in the true sense anyway, the way a system memory and state "snapshot" is saved, when you go to an S4 state.
    I wish Windows would implement this, I know from some of my previous driver work that the kernel already supports most of the necessary modules, they just don't seem to want to pull it all together.
    I think part of it is the trickiness involved with the desktop side of things, and the hardware breadth (this is more or less what I used to work on, h/w and driver-level test dev. and similar). With a constantly evolving and not 100% stable h/w and driver base, you run risks with certain state transitions, which is easily seen by the fact that some machines struggle to hibernate, with a new piece of h/w or driver. I worked on LOTS of combination tests that would do things like abruptly force driver and system state changes, along with I/O, IOCTls, and other, but we did still manage to kill some components.

    I think in the Windows Phone world, this would be more feasible, with far less "'moving targets", they could test/lock in a few devices, and refine things. It could still go awry though, say if your Bluetooth device didn't respond well to a sleep request, then all kinds of weird stuff would happen at resume, that would potentially make it look like your phone was "unstable".

    Apple has it pretty easy in this regard, really tightly controlled hardware and the like, and I think they can brush it off easier, if someone's Bluetooth device fails, people are more likely to attribute it to the device/driver, than the phone, their fan base is a bit nuts like that ;-]
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    07-23-2016 12:11 PM
  4. Lumious's Avatar
    I have owned three HTC Trophys, two Lumia 822s, a Lumia 929, two Lumia 640s, and a 950 XL. I have to say i am very impressed with the 950 XL and it is the best phone i have ever owned. I like it way better than the Icon.

    It's not the first Windows Phone i have ever owned and it won't be the last. I will probably not be able to resist myself with the pending Surface Phone and get the HP Elite X3, then the Surface Phone. Will it be the last Lumia i ever own? Probably. Simply due to the fact that the Lumia line is dead and there wont be any more Lumias. The only way i can see getting another Lumia is if the 650 drops to $100 or less in the near future which i dont see happening.
    07-23-2016 05:07 PM
  5. jerreldulay's Avatar
    What about the 950XL looks "less premium" than the iPhone, at first-glance? I ask, because I find the iPhone to be very plain looking, and less premium at the outset, which makes me think that this is a pretty subjective concept, hard to "put a finger on" ;-]
    I get that if it creaks or the buttons feel cheap, or screen edge isn't nicely beveled or similar, how that detracts, but I don't see any of that in the 950 family?
    The iPhone stopped looking like (and being) a premium and innovative device a very long time ago for me; sometime around when Steve Jobbs died and Apple just started copying what other devices were doing 2 and a half years before, except with more restrictions and a higher price tag.
    07-24-2016 09:04 AM
  6. EliteMikes's Avatar
    Certainly depends on what is in redstone 2, although as we found even features we hoped for and were advertised get stripped out. I bought my 950xls off contract so I can't bring myself to ditch them yet. There are some things I like and many that I don't. It really will be a tough decision when I decide it's time to get a new phone.
    07-27-2016 12:32 PM
  7. shawnmos's Avatar
    Not unless MS gives up entirely. I went from a 928 -> Icon ->1520 -> 950 XL.

    I have loved all of them though the 1520 was my favorite for a while. However, I have been slowly liking the 950 XL more and more. Between the W10 improvements and the new DTTW firmware release it basically has all the things I liked about my old phones now, but a lot of improvements overall. Took me a while to get used to the smaller size vs the 1520 but I actually think the 950 XL is more manageable.

    If they release a surface phone like is rumored I will likely upgrade eventually. If not, and the 950 XL is the last windows phone flagship then I would probably switch to Android. Never will I buy an iphone.
    07-27-2016 10:21 PM
  8. mister greed's Avatar
    Nope. The hp elite is my next.
    07-28-2016 02:42 AM
  9. Mad Cabbie's Avatar
    Originally posted by JRDEMASKUS
    Lipstick on a pig. Cosmetics are not the only problem here.
    Otherwise, That might help, but I am more of an Oterbox type and the "leather" case would be lost.
    Yes, I know there is no OB for us, but I am still using "rugged" cases and boxes to keep my phone "safe" when mobile.

    My Android battery life is equal to my WP.
    Myself and everybody else who visit these sites are looking for facts.
    Please drop the "fanboy" generalizations. WP, at this moment, is no better than any other OS.
    I have to disagree. Android flagships are just putting lipstick on the pig of an OS. After many moons of playing under the hood of Android, it hasn't really progressed or matured into something greater than the sum of it's parts. It's clunky, quite ugly and full of bugs, which can only be expected when you are releasing code under the mantra of one size fits all, and yet most OEM's have to tinker and make things worse! Security has always been an issue due to its open source nature. They biggest change for Android was the switch from Dalvik to ART, which left many devices in no mans land, with no ability to upgrade. Mmm MSFT left some devices behind and got absolutely hammered and ridiculed by those with 'legacy' devices. It's seen as a progress on Android, and suck it up. OEM's are just as bad. You tie in to a 2 yr contract for your shiny new Sonysunglg and after a short honeymoon period, the OEM's drop support. We've all seen it, and yet the gullible still fall for it.

    Apple is more of a fashion statement perpetrated using peer pressure. They are like Harley. They are selling you a lifestyle, which is OK providing you can put up with the stupid icons, that look like a two year old drew them. They don't look 'grown up / mature', in fact they have changed very little since the 3GS. That's progress for you. Apple have also been subject to investigations into the sourcing of materials ( tin for soldering ) and staff treatment at the Chinese factories. The India. Ocean has a flotilla of solder dredges, dynamiting the corals and sea floor to obtain solder to provide to the Apple factory in China. Employee's have been subjected to brutal treatment and 18 hour days, whereby they fall asleep and get 'unfairly' treated. These employees have little choice to put up with it as the factory provides accommodation, which the staff have to pay for, or return to the villages with nothing.
    There was a documentary last year, Panorama, on the BBC where this was highlighted. They followed a device from materials to finish, with undercover reporters. Strangely enough, no one from apple was available to comment. This is not my opinion, but what was seen on the BBC documentary.

    Windows 10 just feels more grown up. It integrates seamlessly with my surface, PC and laptop. My office staff don't even have to pick up a phone to send job info to drivers. Cortana works great for that, and we aren't broadcasting peoples address / phone number over the air. My company has 14 mobile devices ranging from 950xl's down to a couple of 550's. It just works for me, or is that because I use it in a business setting? Apple and Android just didn't push the button in a working environment. So there you are. I'm not a fanboy. I want stuff to just work. W10 does just that.
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    07-28-2016 09:25 AM
  10. Mad Cabbie's Avatar
    Originally posted by peter leung 10586
    Originally Posted by PGrey
    What about the 950XL looks "less premium" than the iPhone, at first-glance? I ask, because I find the iPhone to be very plain looking, and less premium at the outset, which makes me think that this is a pretty subjective concept, hard to "put a finger on" ;-]
    I get that if it creaks or the buttons feel cheap, or screen edge isn't nicely beveled or similar, how that detracts, but I don't see any of that in the 950 family?
    I am using iPhone SE, not the 6 series (6/6+/6s/6s+). the 6 series are ugly. SE is the same as 5/5s. it looks more premium than 950xl not only at first glance but also after some time of use.

    one more think: iOS is a good os too. it is smooth and responsive. it handles memory in different way than that of windows mobile. for example 950xl can have at most 15 apps running in background while iOS can have more than 40. 950xl flushes all memory content after a restart (power off and then power on) while iOS preserves them. even after a system update of iOS, you can still see the previously opened apps in the app switcher. iOS only hibernates, never shutdowns.
    Mmm iPhone SE, same old in a different size. I thought Samsung were the kings of selling the same thing over and over again??
    07-28-2016 09:29 AM
  11. peter leung 10586's Avatar
    Mmm iPhone SE, same old in a different size. I thought Samsung were the kings of selling the same thing over and over again??
    new iphones (the 6/s/+) are ugly. I prefer the old one.....
    07-28-2016 11:53 AM
  12. PGrey's Avatar
    Awesome "write up", Mad Cabbie, you bring out the "essence" of the integration piece, which is by far the best thing about Windows phones for me. The integration isn't comparable to any other phone platform, yet very few people know about this, and reviewers don't seem to do a great job of highlighting it, how easy it is to move between devices, work items, work-spaces, the whole deal, it's just so seamless, compared to anything else out there.

    I like the fact they're moving forward too, adding features and the performance has really picked up now, I sure wish we could "roll back the clock" and have this release be November; I bet we wouldn't be at 1%-ish now, we'd be far better, reviews wouldn't have been so negative, etc.
    I wonder, if it can recover. Windows has done it before, back in the early 90's, when they were chasing Netware and such, as the underdog, so maybe it can happen again...

    On top of that, I got my mom a 640 a few months back, amidst MANY protests (she needs texting for two-factor for several things), saying she'd never text, probably never turn the phone on, etc. She's almost 80, and is pretty tech-wary, although she's still very "sharp".
    After I showed her a couple of texts (remotely via phone, my folks like 1200mi by plane, very expensive flight in the summer because of tourism), she went from there to texting myself, daughter, wife, my brother's family, my aunt, etc.
    Then she figured out she could send pics from the same, and from email, and read her email on the phone, and is even using Cortana now. She swore up and down the most she would do is a couple of calls, and the necessary texts for two-factor authentication, that was it. Look how it changed an older, tech-averse person; I'm almost positive an Android phone would NOT have had this effect, maybe an iOS device, maybe...
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    07-28-2016 02:26 PM
  13. melhiore's Avatar
    For me Lumia will be the last only because as previously been said Lumia line is dead. My 950XL will not be my last Windows phone. I think I will be upgrading again in 2018 - plenty of time for OEMs to release something cool... It is also plenty of time for Microsoft to make Windows 10 great mobile OS in every way imaginable...
    07-30-2016 11:11 AM
  14. JRDEMASKUS's Avatar
    I have to disagree.
    That is OK.
    You, Me, and the next guy, all have completely different needs and experiences with our devices.
    Delusional Fanboy comments are just worthless drivel. I am more interested in factual comments. As noted by another poster, this is fanboy "heaven" here. Too bad, as many of the other sites go away, we are left with worthless repeated comments that do nothing to educate.
    I use multiple OS, as no single one fulfills ALL of my "needs" at once.
    And I want to try IOS too. Just because I have never used it as a daily driver, and I am secure enough that I am not afraid I will be swayed from my other "beloved" OSs.
    07-30-2016 01:29 PM
  15. PGrey's Avatar
    I tend to think there are excellent educational discussions here; sometimes you just have to "read between the posts", but that's just a part of "forum life", IME.

    -pete
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    07-30-2016 01:31 PM
  16. JRDEMASKUS's Avatar
    I tend to think there are excellent educational discussions here; sometimes you just have to "read between the posts", but that's just a part of "forum life", IME.

    -pete
    Yes, that is why I keep coming back.
    But reading between the posts gets old really fast, and in reality, it doesn't have to be that way.
    07-30-2016 05:03 PM
  17. Mad Cabbie's Avatar
    Originally posted by JRDEMASKUS
    Originally Posted by Mad Cabbie
    I have to disagree.
    That is OK.
    You, Me, and the next guy, all have completely different needs and experiences with our devices.
    Delusional Fanboy comments are just worthless drivel. I am more interested in factual comments. As noted by another poster, this is fanboy "heaven" here. Too bad, as many of the other sites go away, we are left with worthless repeated comments that do nothing to educate.
    I use multiple OS, as no single one fulfills ALL of my "needs" at once.
    And I want to try IOS too. Just because I have never used it as a daily driver, and I am secure enough that I am not afraid I will be swayed from my other "beloved" OSs.
    Psssstt...whisper it quietly, but, I have an iPad mini 3. That is purely for recreational purposes. I actually *like* iOS on a tablet. Hate it on a phone...strange. I'm also a recreational user of Linux! I really enjoy it, especially when I can tinker with it and run archikitchen to toy with Android roms.

    So, not an exclusive fan boy. At work, it ermm, works. But for downtime, I use alternatives, although the phones still function admirably on their own.

    Hopefully, that explains things. At work, having tried the others, W10 is my go to OS or should I say 'beloved'? I'm certain if I could use linux in the same integrated way, I'd love to try it. My office staff have only ever used windows, as its their OS at home. In the cars we run W10M. Drivers, both iOS and Android users, find it very simple to use. Texts with jobs get read out to them, and the ladies in the office just type them into Cortana. pre-booked jobs at set as reminders and drivers get informed in plenty of time. All devices are registered on my MS account, and can be located, without having to layout thousands of pounds for GPS tracking and Data heads in each car and office.

    Fanboy? NO!! Realist? Yes!! Reliable drivers? YES! Happy? Yes!

    Maybe, in the realm of fair play, I should point out that we do have an account, in the UK, with a somewhat large Software Company based in WA, USA. We were using the equipment before the account was issued.
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    07-30-2016 06:22 PM
  18. beman39's Avatar
    That is OK.
    You, Me, and the next guy, all have completely different needs and experiences with our devices.
    Delusional Fanboy comments are just worthless drivel. I am more interested in factual comments. As noted by another poster, this is fanboy "heaven" here. Too bad, as many of the other sites go away, we are left with worthless repeated comments that do nothing to educate.
    I use multiple OS, as no single one fulfills ALL of my "needs" at once.
    And I want to try IOS too. Just because I have never used it as a daily driver, and I am secure enough that I am not afraid I will be swayed from my other "beloved" OSs.
    haha ur funny (not!)... first off every forum whether it be IOS or android have fanboys so please spare us your condescending attitude and secondly you sound like a fanboy yourself, just not for win10m maybe for the other OSs' dunno which one but definitely one of em... and thirdly every one who posted here has posted their honest opinion whether it be good or bad about win10 and who are you to just dismiss everyone's opinion because YOU think they're fanboys? seriously where do you come off? I think mad cabbie has made some excellent points and others too, just because we like and have positive things to say about win10 that we're fanboys? REALLY? but you know what? maybe we are because win10 does really have good things about it which is why maybe some of us ARE fanboys but before you call me a fan boy just know that when win10 first came out and was all buggy, I was posting saying how win10 was not good and "incomplete" but now that redstone was released and DTTW is back... win10 has been an amazing experience now. what MS SHOULD HAVE RELEASED IN THE BEGINNING!
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    07-30-2016 09:29 PM
  19. JRDEMASKUS's Avatar
    you sound like a fanboy yourself, just not for win10m maybe for the other OSs' dunno which one but definitely one of em...
    Yes, I am a "smartphone" Junkie. I LOVE them ALL.
    I take offence when I see an irrational attack spewing the same BS over and over.
    My mistake was jumping into this thread, as it was not exactly a reasonable question to begin with.
    I don't think I attacked anybody, I just asked for an educated discussion based on fact, leaving the "fanboy" rhetoric behind.
    Thank you
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    07-31-2016 10:30 AM
  20. rdubmu's Avatar
    If you really want to appreciate a windows phone try switching to Android. My 950 was stepped on a few weeks ago and the digitzer/screen was damaged to the point that I couldn't use it. Instead of buying a new one I picked up a Blu Vivo Air LTE so I could check out Android while I wait to hear what the camera's like on the HP Elite X3. I thought it would be fun to try all the apps I haven't been able to use on W10m like Snapchat, Bumble, Pokmon Go etc... So far after three weeks of use I'm amazed at how horrible the Android OS is. Apps crash much more frequently than they do on w10m, it took three days and a lot of tweaking settings in individual apps and in various places in the android settings to finally get my contacts to sync from my gmail and outlook accounts, when I add contacts they often only appear temporarily and then the name is disassociated from the phone number if I look at my call or text history, I add widgets one day and then they are gone the next and I have to add them again, yesterday all my text convos disappeared and wouldn't come back until I did a hard reset... I could probably go on but I think you get the idea. Although, it's kind of fun using Snapchat I would much rather have a stable, intuitive, aesthetically pleasing OS than another means to broadcast my life and check in others.

    As an aside, I'm truly amazed at tech reviewers who laud Android while giving W10/W8 lukewarm at best and scathing at worst reviews. For an OS that's been out for almost 10 years now I can't believe I'm having so many issues with my android phone... how reviewers overlook all the problems Android has solely because it has apps yet trash w10/18 I have no idea. Although, I'm not nave to fanboyism I'm surprised at how great of lengths tech reviewers will go to promote a half baked OS like Android...

    P.S the Vivo Air is by far the slickest looking and feeling smartphone I've ever owned. It would be amazing if they released a w10m version...
    You should have tried an android flagship. Much different, it's like saying you tried a lumia 520 and thought the phone was horrible.
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    07-31-2016 11:51 PM
  21. Hildr's Avatar
    Since WM is the only one OS that is OLED efficient, for now I don't see any reason to change. OS with white screens everywhere can't be ok with an OLED powered phone. Plus, I don't like mobile gaming since it tends to eat all my spare time (and all my coworker are just so crazy about their game on phone, not to mention this "pokemon" go). PC/console gaming is far "healthier" in my opinion. So no need to switch for the moment.
    Finally, only WM allows me to do whatever I want with my start screen natively, from flat vivid squares to beautifully integrated wallpaper with floating app. Well, it could be better if we can have some more option, but so far, it's the more customizable start screen I've seen.

    But I could change if there is better OS in the future regarding my taste, I don't care about Msft or anything else, only the product matter.

    About the android thing and bugs etc, I used the Honor 5X for a while and it was really impressive. For 200 it was really efficient, and I could have easily keep it if not all the thing I mentioned before.
    And well I would not change my 950XL black polycarbonate shell for a metal one (I don't even like the mozzo one I got free), just not my thing. When I turn on the screen on the 950XL, the "cheap feeling" shell as some like to say just vanish, and we have just a marvelous screen. With a full metal phone, the shell grab too much attention.
    08-02-2016 06:33 AM
  22. Ertonimus's Avatar
    You should have tried an android flagship. Much different, it's like saying you tried a lumia 520 and thought the phone was horrible.
    I couldn't disagree more. I bought a 520 to test out WP8 before making the jump from ios between my 4s and an iPhone 5. The 520 was smooth, stable and bug free. It sold me on the OS. Even on less than ideal hardware the OS shined. I knew I wasn't getting a great camera/screen/etc. when I bought the Vivo Air but I paid almost 200 for the phone and I don't think its too much to ask that it works. The hardware is much better than what was in my 520 so you can't blame the hardware for all the glitches present-its the OS. Even without the glitches simple things like copy and pasting are much less intuitive/easy than they are on windows mobile, the phone, contacts, messaging apps all look absolutely horrible... I could go on and on... I know I didn't get a flagship but I'm still using Android and its definitely not for me and I still couldn't recommend the OS to someone that enjoys Windows mobile even if the camera and other hardware were upgraded.
    08-02-2016 10:38 PM
  23. rdubmu's Avatar
    I couldn't disagree more. I bought a 520 to test out WP8 before making the jump from ios between my 4s and an iPhone 5. The 520 was smooth, stable and bug free. It sold me on the OS. Even on less than ideal hardware the OS shined. I knew I wasn't getting a great camera/screen/etc. when I bought the Vivo Air but I paid almost 200 for the phone and I don't think its too much to ask that it works. The hardware is much better than what was in my 520 so you can't blame the hardware for all the glitches present-its the OS. Even without the glitches simple things like copy and pasting are much less intuitive/easy than they are on windows mobile, the phone, contacts, messaging apps all look absolutely horrible... I could go on and on... I know I didn't get a flagship but I'm still using Android and its definitely not for me and I still couldn't recommend the OS to someone that enjoys Windows mobile even if the camera and other hardware were upgraded.
    Unfortunately, Android runs better on better hardware. I am no fanboy, if anything I am a windows phone fanboy :) Android is very fluid on my S7e, there is no lag and the device runs very well.
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    08-02-2016 10:46 PM
  24. JRDEMASKUS's Avatar
    Unfortunately, Android runs better on better hardware. I am no fanboy, if anything I am a windows phone fanboy :) Android is very fluid on my S7e, there is no lag and the device runs very well.
    I have an HTC M9, it puts my 950XL to shame. Build is solid, runs smooth and fast. Great pocket size, but the screen is smaller.

    My ASUS Android tablet has not been Factory Reset in more than a year(?) and is starting to slow down (I let too much OEM bloat stay active) Needs the refresh but I have been too lazy.

    I just got an LG K7. A mid level, 1.5G RAM, Android phone, (found it in the road, burner phone, owner didn't want it back!) My experiments so far have mostly been successful, though I have not tried intensive game play or tasks yet.

    The 950XL remains my daily driver as the Text messaging/ Cortana integration is superior to the inconsistent Android offering.
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    08-02-2016 11:39 PM
  25. yarchlrl's Avatar
    definitely not. The 950xx isn't even a good phone let alone a great phone. I will most likely be moving to the HP.
    08-05-2016 06:22 PM
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