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  1. dov1978's Avatar
    First of all, for sure, it's matter of choice. I have all needed features with a higher quality in W10m comparing to Android or iOS.

    If some people have the opposite situation and need their features in Android or iOS, then they should take Android or iOS device. No problem here. Can't see why such people would be sitting here and arguing about W10m.
    But people (me included) prefer Windows as their OS of choice for many reasons and dont want to jump to iOS or Android just to get the apps they need. I do jump often but I always come back til I get frustrated with the app situation then begin the cycle again. I've had my Lumia 950xl for around 7 months now but also had Samsung Galaxy S7, 2 iPhone 7 Plus', Samsung Galaxy s8 Plus and an LG G6 in that same 7 month period. If my Lumia had the same apps and features as those I'd have saved a small fortune by sticking to my Windows phone that whole time.
    06-23-2017 10:35 AM
  2. TgeekB's Avatar
    But people (me included) prefer Windows as their OS of choice for many reasons and dont want to jump to iOS or Android just to get the apps they need. I do jump often but I always come back til I get frustrated with the app situation then begin the cycle again. I've had my Lumia 950xl for around 7 months now but also had Samsung Galaxy S7, 2 iPhone 7 Plus', Samsung Galaxy s8 Plus and an LG G6 in that same 7 month period. If my Lumia had the same apps and features as those I'd have saved a small fortune by sticking to my Windows phone that whole time.
    There is no perfect device, so you have to decide which is most important to you........ or continue to switch back and forth which, as you have discovered, just costs a lot of money.
    Good luck!

    Sent from mTalk on my SP4
    06-23-2017 10:38 AM
  3. dov1978's Avatar
    There is no perfect device, so you have to decide which is most important to you........ or continue to switch back and forth which, as you have discovered, just costs a lot of money.
    Good luck!

    Sent from mTalk on my SP4
    Yeah, you're absolutely correct and the more I keep switching the more features I find that I like and miss on other phones. Obviously there is no one phone that has every feature only I like so I'm never going to be completely satisfied. I think that's why I've hung onto my 950xl and never sold it on like the others. It covers MOST bases for me and there's just enough apps that I need to keep me happy enough. Of course this phone won't last forever with no more Lumia's in the pipeline but I can easily get another year out of it all going well
    06-23-2017 11:58 AM
  4. travisel's Avatar
    Love my Lumia 950 XL alot! I never had the opportunity to use Symbian, Blackberry, iPhone or Android in the last 11 years because I was with only Microsoft Mobile OS's the hole time, WM5.0, WM6.0 & WM6.5, WP7.5 Tango, WP8.0 & WP8.1, Win10M TH2, RS1 & RS2 Windows OS's only experience I know is MS ๐Ÿ˜Š. Microsoft is done with "Lumia" brand since they sold it too Foxcon! Now that I'm 18 months into my MS Lumia 950 XL Phablet with my basic every day apps I use witch is fine but now I losing my basic every day apps to having less than 1% world market share with canceled Lumia 960 XL in 2016 and now no Surface Phone Pro in 2017, with the only new hardware talk in 2018 is basically "Windows RT2" 64-bit ARMv8 version Except this time it can emulate full Win32 software and have Phone ๐Ÿ“ž capabilities and not just another only app device. (Surface Mobile) a device that takes 4GB of RAM to operate from what I read. Means my 3GB of RAM Lumia 950 XL is outdated for next generation software OS. I been through this before From WM OS to WP OS was such a let down ๐Ÿ‘‡ but here I am 6 years later......still with another MS Reboot? No....something different?......With 2018 coming fast with no 3rd party apps functionality addvailable for use. MS is leaving me no choice but too move to one of the only two other mobile platforms like the upcoming official Apple iPhone 8 "iOS11" or Google Pixel 2 "Android 8" platform devices'

    I thank all of you for your opinion on the Lumia 950 XL on 2018 support!

    Sent from Lumia 950XL
    06-23-2017 09:55 PM
  5. PerfectReign's Avatar
    You should understand: I do not buy apps on any ecosystem! Simply because I don't need them!
    In that case, get a feature phone. I bought one for my 82-year-old father in law.
    06-23-2017 10:30 PM
  6. raycpl's Avatar
    They argument goes back and forth - its about how phone-centric do you want your life to be. Which is pretty scary itself.


    ...!
    06-23-2017 11:18 PM
  7. TgeekB's Avatar
    In that case, get a feature phone. I bought one for my 82-year-old father in law.
    Exactly. The "I don't need this and I don't need that" comments aren't a viable argument. Companies don't build devices for one person, they build them for an entire market.

    Sent from mTalk on my SP4
    06-24-2017 07:32 AM
  8. fatclue_98's Avatar
    Exactly. The "I don't need this and I don't need that" comments aren't a viable argument. Companies don't build devices for one person, they build them for an entire market.

    Sent from mTalk on my SP4
    I guess the beginner's economics course you were given didn't take.

    Sent from my Elite x3 on mTalk
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    06-24-2017 09:42 PM
  9. Drael646464's Avatar
    I just have pleasure to use my 950 XL. Also, all that last updates just make it better. I don't know why people are so upset about apps - I don't use them! Can't understand that Android users with hundreds useless apps on their start screen.
    IDK, I've got something like 80-90 apps/games on my windows phone, and I enjoy discovering more. I particularly like that I can use the same apps on my desktop, tablet and phone (which will be BOSS for timeline when it comes).

    I also like that many of them are indie, and not trying to shake people down for money aggressively (or are paid apps). A slight bit less "freemium" feel to the windows store IMO. In that sense, which some noteable exceptions, the experience feels less like free-to-air tv, or a slot machine.

    I also like giving money to app and game makers. I'd rather do that, and especially support indie devs, than contribute to some kind of eternal ad creep, or in-app shakedowns. Makes me feel good, knowing I'm supporting quality programming.

    There's plenty of decent games for bus stop gaming. Some lovely photo editing apps. And the pre-loaded apps as mentioned by someone else here, cover a lot of stuff too.

    I think my only real app disappointment is the FB app. Should be full UWP, and the same on tablet and phone, but isn't. But I just use slimsocial and its much faster.

    All that said, UX isn't just about apps. Win10m brings quite a few OS level features that are very practical.
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    06-26-2017 08:05 AM
  10. Arvind Kumar117's Avatar
    Typically all companies support their phones around 3-4 years, so yeah there is a possibility.
    07-07-2017 11:31 AM
  11. xandros9's Avatar
    Typically all companies support their phones around 3-4 years, so yeah there is a possibility.
    Actually it's usually 1-2 years.

    The two ongoing shining examples is Apple at 5 years per phone and Google at two years of OS updates + one more year of security patches.
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    07-07-2017 12:21 PM
  12. travisel's Avatar
    This November 25/2017 my Lumia 950 XL is two years old! ...... thus this topic about support in 2018! .....

    2018 support for my Lumia 950 XL is uncertain. With Win10M story losing apps on a weekly basis! There WON'T be a Win10M store by my Lumia 950 XL 3rd birthday!

    Microsoft is spending more time on cross platforming all there Services on iOS & Android with better quality then on there own platform!

    If there is NO other new MSFT Phone to jump on to like aka "Surface Phone" or "Surface Note" or something for all of us Lumia 950 XL owners to move on too, are only options are iOS11 or Android 8 next generation platforms.

    I'm very anti Apple! ....so Mostlikely move to Android 8? If so I have to try to keep everything intact....MSFT Services "all 11 years worth of data must be saved from this dying platform.

    Probably gonna have to use MSFT Arrow app to feel less Android like? ....some say it feels more like iOS? ......I hope it doesn't come down to this!

    http://www.arrowlauncher.com/

    Sent from Lumia 950XL
    07-07-2017 08:42 PM
  13. PerfectReign's Avatar
    Probably gonna have to use MSFT Arrow app to feel less Android like? ....some say it feels more like iOS? ......I hope it doesn't come down to this!

    http://www.arrowlauncher.com/

    Sent from Lumia 950XL
    I use Arrow on my SGS6, as we as the Hub keyboard. Way better than TouchWiz or even other Launchers Ive tried.

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    07-07-2017 10:13 PM
  14. travisel's Avatar
    Android dead icons vs Win10M live tiles!

    Win10M OS living tiles is definitely far superior in desktop! I don't know if I'll ever get over Android dead icon look? Yet developers Love this platform for some reason?? So confusing...

    Guess we wait and see what Android 8 looks like?....maybe living icons lol

    I'll probably upgrade from my (26 months old) Lumia 950 XL to Pixel 2 XL in January 2018.....probably be using next generation Arrowlauncher 4 on Android 8 with all MSFT services installed MSFT Office, OneDrive, Xbox, Groove Music, Filim/TV, Cortana, OneNote, Skype and Outlook calendar and even the Edge browser!

    I'll keep watching MSFT Arrow over the next 6-7 months until the end of my Lumia 950 XL as it becomes my second backup Phone/music player maybe....till the battery stops working. (around 36 months)

    http://www.arrowlauncher.com/

    Sent from Lumia 950XL

    Android dead Icons reminds me of my first MSFT Mobile OS Phone just remembered lol (Motorola MOTO Q9c) with WM5/WM6/WM6.1 days! Even my (LG IQ) used WM6.5 till I flashed it to WP7.5 Tango, but yeah Android sure reminds me of Windows Mobile OS back in the day!

    Sent from Lumia 950XL
    Last edited by Guytronic; 07-15-2017 at 02:56 PM.
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    07-08-2017 02:17 AM
  15. PerfectReign's Avatar
    Eww, just realized I posted that at 8:00 last night and it was still 90 degrees (F).
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    07-08-2017 09:12 AM
  16. travisel's Avatar
    Impressive 90F

    My Lumia 950 XL turned off taking pictures @Chichen Itza last year! It was 100F in last May there!

    Sent from Lumia 950XL
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    07-08-2017 09:30 PM
  17. tweedie's Avatar
    ... and jumped to a Huawei Mate 9. Nothing to regret. ...
    I've just sold my 950XL. I just don't think it has much leg to stand on software wise. hardware is brill, but software is a let down. How is the "Huawei Mate 9" camera compared to 950xl?
    07-15-2017 09:36 AM
  18. Scienceguy Labs's Avatar
    I'm using the Mate 9 at the moment. It's a really nice device. The screen, while not as crisp as the 950Xl, is very, very good. I miss the dark black color, but not having that is a miniscule concern. The screen is big and super bright. The build is fantastic. The EMUI software has really improved over the years. Battery life is phenomenal. All notifications come through as expected - this was always an issue I had with Huawei/Honor phones. Battery optimization was so over the top on their devices, apps we're unable to push notifications. Anyway, that's all been worked out with the 9. Now, the camera.... It's not as good as the 950 series cameras. Having said that, the 9's camera isn't bad at all, but it struggles in some areas, mainly low light. In good lighting, the camera on the 9 is top notch, maybe even matching the 950 cameras. But, for me, there are times when it's just not consistently reliable. That might be said for the 950 series cameras as well, I guess. What the 9 lacks in image quality, it more than makes up for in camera functionality and gimmicky software add-ons. In that department, the 9's camera beats the 950's hands down. I've had lots of fun using it. Overall, it's a really good camera, but not the best on the market.
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    07-15-2017 09:58 AM
  19. tedj101's Avatar
    There's no reason even if they do end feature updates for the 950xl that it can't keep working fine for a few more years. Afterall plenty of Androids are sold with ancient android OS versions installed which never get updates. I love my 950XL, the camera is unbeatable as is the screen and it's speed. Apple is so backwards and out of date technology wise especially the camera (only just got widescreen for goodness sake) and screen (STILL not OLED!?) and so overpriced. Android has its advantages, but the UI is horrible and messy, updates are sparse and I find myself having to reset Android devices every couple of weeks (or more often) to keep them working. I'm holding onto my Lumia either until the surface phone is released or someone prys it from my cold dead hands.... The 950XL is still way ahead of almost every other smartphone in the world, there's no kind of urgency to upgrade unless you have some desperate need for a particular app on android or iOS, but most people don't really have that.
    I love my 950XL too and Windows Mobile as well. Unfortunately, unless MS (or someone else) comes out with a competitive Windows phone, the build out of the new LTE spectrum will force me to retire it in favor of something that can use the new spectrum.

    <TED>
    07-16-2017 03:42 PM
  20. Kot Prada's Avatar
    Afterall plenty of Androids are sold with ancient android OS versions installed which never get updates.
    Exactly! Most of people do not realize that! As well, as annoying ads in Android in most unexpected places, along with freezes and stuttering even on flagships.
    07-17-2017 08:39 AM
  21. xandros9's Avatar
    Exactly! Most of people do not realize that! As well, as annoying ads in Android in most unexpected places, along with freezes and stuttering even on flagships.
    I'm here to say that's overblown.

    1. Updates

    I agree that Android's update situation is not ideal. It's certainly inconsistent but once we get up to the midrange and high-end, the prospects improve immensely.

    However, that doesn't mean low-end phones are neglected, but it's a matter of choosing carefully. BLU phones? Nope. But this cheapo mid-2016 Galaxy is still getting security updates.

    Once we get higher up, we can expect at the least semi-regular security updates and a couple of major OS upgrades. Typical support windows are two years. Of course there are exceptions like the BlackBerry DTEK phones and OnePlus Two but it's not so cleanly cut. The DTEKs are still getting security updates monthly (with a couple stumbles) and the OnePlus Two has a healthy custom ROM environment around it.

    The face of Android these days, Samsung, upgrades it's flagships with two major OS upgrades over the course of two years or so (even if it's customizations mean it's not the fastest) not counting security updates. (the Galaxy S4 on T-Mobile got the January 2017 patch which is a weird outlier frankly.)

    And of course, Google is leading the pack with Pixel.

    And we can compare to Windows 10 Mobile which as it is right now, is getting nothing but security updates and the occasional bugfix. (with many devices abandoned like on Android) That's a pretty low bar, even though Microsoft's infrastructure/update system allowing it to update most phones with Windows 10 Mobile (not counting the arbitrary device support drops) easily is a huge bonus.

    2. Ads

    I've used Android for a year on three phones (and here and there before that) and ads have not been showing up in unexpected places. Typically such ads come from adware-esque apps that have no business being installed anyway. But wait, there are ads showing up in some services too like Facebook, but those ads are more of a symptom/slight bonus to being neglected on Windows Phone. iOS sees the same too.

    Now a couple manufacturers have indeed pushed ad notifications for their new phone such as HTC (U11) and OnePlus (5), but that's up to the customer to decide if it's acceptable. The one-off might even be preferable to the constant Messaging+ alert at every boot.

    As for lag, freezing and stuttering, I'm currently using a phone with the midrange Snapdragon 625 inside and I have not found any of those except for when the odd app locks up but I see it on all platforms except maybe Palm OS 4. Sure, Samsung is known to add on a lot of extra stuff that can bog down their top-notch hardware, but it's not bad. The gold standard in smoothness I hear is the Google Pixel though. So performance quirks is not Androids inherent fault. However I would also want to draw attention to Windows 10 Mobile's quirks if we start talking about the small details.
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    07-17-2017 10:46 AM
  22. Kot Prada's Avatar
    I agree that Android's update situation is not ideal.
    Who said it's ideal? Our point was exactly about "it's not ideal".

    I've used Android for a year on three phones (and here and there before that) and ads have not been showing up in unexpected places. Typically such ads come from adware-esque apps that have no business being installed anyway.
    Android stock weather app and stock keyboard are adware? Because I've seen ads on my friend's Galaxy S7 in those apps by myself. But, I must say, I agree with You... even those stock apps are adware... it's Android...

    As for lag, freezing and stuttering, I'm currently using a phone with the midrange Snapdragon 625 inside and I have not found any of those
    I hear that literally about every Android flagship, when it's released. When I showed lags on HTC One M8 to my friend literally after she bought it, she said "I see nothing". So, seems like that freezes are just OK for Android users. Maybe, because they didn't see devices without freezes and with normal touch reaction. On the other hand, even if they are Android addicted, they should see at least iPhones, which have no such problems...

    I've used Android for a year on three phones (and here and there before that) and ads have not been showing up in unexpected places.
    I have news for You: yesterday my friend wanted to show me a photo on his Galaxy S7 in the gym... but he couldn't, because after unblocking we were watching 15 seconds video add, which he was unable to close.

    I hate to say that... but it was literally LOL!
    Last edited by xandros9; 08-03-2017 at 02:07 PM.
    07-17-2017 03:31 PM
  23. xandros9's Avatar
    I have news for You: yesterday my friend wanted to show me a photo on his Galaxy S7 in the gym... but he couldn't, because after unblocking we were watching 15 seconds video add, which he was unable to close.

    I hate to say that... but it was literally LOL!
    Unless he's on YouTube he's using the wrong photos app or lockscreen.
    07-21-2017 02:19 PM
  24. Kot Prada's Avatar
    Unless he's on YouTube he's using the wrong photos app or lockscreen.
    Sure, I will not believe my eyes, but I will believe You instead ;)
    07-22-2017 09:28 AM
  25. travisel's Avatar
    2018 is the end of life for my Lumia 950 XL. With no Surface Phone Pro coming but only a Windows 10 ARM "RT reboot" in 2018. Nothing left Win10M to upgrade to, leaving me no choice but to move to other platforms (iOS11 or Android 8). I'll use my Lumia 950 XL as a second backup Phone or music player sice there's 64GB of music on it.

    I won't move to any old Android devices'.....like some other people have with there bad experiences...hoping that doesn't happen to me??

    The plan is probably to move from my MSFT Lumia 950 XL "Win10M Creators 2" OS to the upcoming official Android flag ship Google Pixel 2 XL "Android 8.1" in late January or early February 2018.

    This is very scary for me moving from platform to platform witch I have never done. I been on Windows Mobile OS platforms for 11 years now since WM5.0 days ....my first Windows Phone "Motorola MOTO Q9c". Trying to keep all my Microsoft services intact hopefully??

    Like people say Android is very messy So I hope by using a launcher to more organize it? Microsoft Arrow seems to get good reviews! And help keep my Microsoft world intact.

    http://www.arrowlauncher.com/

    Lumia 950 XL vs Pixel 2 XL

    - Snapdragon 810 v2.1 vs Snapdragon 836
    - 3GB RAM vs 6GB RAM
    - 32GB UFS v2.1 vs 128GB UFS v2.1
    - MicroSDXC UHS I vs no MicroSDXC
    - 5.7" QHD OLED vs 6" QHD OLED
    - Gorilla glass 4 vs Gorilla glass 5
    - 20MP 5th gen PureView vs 16MP ?
    - 3340 mAh battery vs 3450 mAh battery

    Little bit of a hardware upgrade ? Should be reasonable. If all true...

    Sent from Lumia 950XL
    07-30-2017 02:46 PM
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