11-11-2015 04:51 PM
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  1. jmajid's Avatar
    Just a note: it doesn't mean FCC just approved it yesterday. Manufacturers can request TCB to postpone publishing the FCC certificate to a later time...
    True, though in this case it's probably a matter of the FCC "just in time" approval since the paperwork wasn't submitted by Microsoft until the end of October



    Probably better just to say "published on the FCC website" as that pretty much covers all the bases ;)

    dont want to get pedantic with you both.... but if you look closer at the grant dates, they are also the same as the application dates - 11/4/2015.

    I do agree that companies like Apple (especially) have some kind of lock or something on the FCC as there is absolutely no info until they have announced their devices... if you look at their applications and supporting letters of request for confidentiality they require 180 days and then i presume allow the FCC some later release...
    But Microsoft (and Nokia before them) have always had devices show up prior to the announcement.
    What has been interesting in the past couple of months is a shift to actually allow user guides/external photos and internal photos with the initial release of info - good for us fans....

    "Date of Grant: 11/04/2015

    Application Dated: 11/04/2015"
    11-06-2015 08:24 AM
  2. Ten Four's Avatar
    Note the "bait" part of the bait-and-switch is still being advertised--15GB of "free" storage that goes away in 2016.
    950.png
    11-06-2015 09:46 AM
  3. Daniel Rubino's Avatar
    Note the "bait" part of the bait-and-switch is still being advertised--15GB of "free" storage that goes away in 2016.
    Incorrect for a few reasons

    (1) This has been up since October 6 and they have not updated the post since, so just outdated information
    (2) This phone is not for sale or even pre-order, so no money is being exchanged and no one is being taken advantage of
    (3) Bait and switch implies that AT&T is purposefully deceiving customers to scam them, of which there is no evidence
    (4) You guys need to get better at arguments in forums/this is dumb/quit acting like victims
    11-06-2015 09:54 AM
  4. Ten Four's Avatar
    Incorrect for a few reasons
    (1) This has been up since October 6 and they have not updated the post since, so just outdated information [That screenshot was taken a few minutes ago. It is not "outdated" information. It is what AT&T is advertising as I type this.]
    (2) This phone is not for sale or even pre-order, so no money is being exchanged and no one is being taken advantage of. [Straw man argument! So, a car dealer can advertise "free gasoline for life" and because the car isn't yet available that is fair advertising?]
    (3) Bait and switch implies that AT&T is purposefully deceiving customers to scam them, of which there is no evidence. [I can't blame AT&T for advertising what Microsoft is telling them, but MS obviously knows this is false information yet they are still allowing it to be put out to the public. That is bait-and switch since they know they are advertising a product and service that they will not deliver.]
    (4) You guys need to get better at arguments in forums/this is dumb/quit acting like victims. [You need to get better at not insulting your readers with your lack of analysis of important developments that you are writing about. Instead, why not ask AT&T if this is a special offer that they will stand behind?]
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    11-06-2015 10:04 AM
  5. tangledW's Avatar
    So... any news about the release or preorders?

    That's all I care about.
    The petty arguments in this thread are pointless.
    11-06-2015 10:18 AM
  6. John M Beauchemin's Avatar
    Nah,ssapre was right. We had a story on it on October 6 and a link to that same listing. Old, old, old ;)

    The funny thing is we get "tipped" on this like a few times every week since Oct 6, lol

    Update: Here, I can even add the email from AT&T to me listing their att.com/lumia950 link

    Attachment 115808
    Well, my bad then... but I still saw what I saw, and what I saw is that if I click on 'upgrade my phone' from my plan page it takes me to the phone store, and if I filter by windows phones OS, the Lumia950 did not show up in that list until very recently. So it must have had the coming soon page on the site, but not linked in their store as an actual device.
    11-06-2015 11:03 AM
  7. ssapre's Avatar
    That screenshot was taken a few minutes ago. .......
    This discussion is getting more and more funny. In today's real world, you cant expect someone to announce something and then expect others to update their website with this info in few hrs or days.. especially announced by a company who cant give a release 'date' for that phone :-)
    libra89 likes this.
    11-06-2015 01:40 PM
  8. TexasLabRat's Avatar
    dont want to get pedantic with you both.... but if you look closer at the grant dates, they are also the same as the application dates - 11/4/2015.

    I do agree that companies like Apple (especially) have some kind of lock or something on the FCC as there is absolutely no info until they have announced their devices... if you look at their applications and supporting letters of request for confidentiality they require 180 days and then i presume allow the FCC some later release...
    But Microsoft (and Nokia before them) have always had devices show up prior to the announcement.
    What has been interesting in the past couple of months is a shift to actually allow user guides/external photos and internal photos with the initial release of info - good for us fans....

    "Date of Grant: 11/04/2015

    Application Dated: 11/04/2015"
    My statement still stands re: just-in-time approval. Microsoft's test report is dated October 27th. They couldn't have possibly have submitted it before then, which was my point thus countering the assertion that perhaps the FCC was "sitting" on the application per MS request. And to be even more pedantic...the fact that the application is dated Nov. 4 by the FCC means that it was submitted prior to that since there is a delay between when it is put in the mail (mail being an all-inclusive term here) and when the FCC acknowledges its receipt by creating an application file for the device.
    libra89 likes this.
    11-06-2015 02:03 PM
  9. Ten Four's Avatar
    In today's real world, you cant expect someone to announce something and then expect others to update their website with this info in few hrs or days
    There are laws against advertising something you have no intention of delivering.
    11-06-2015 02:54 PM
  10. Zachary Boddy's Avatar
    Better that they do not advertise a feature that is not yet available ;)
    Neither is the phone but that's not stopping them from advertising it.
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    11-06-2015 08:20 PM
  11. 7a2eer's Avatar
    neither is the phone but that's not stopping them from advertising it.
    wysiwyg
    11-06-2015 09:13 PM
  12. Zachary Boddy's Avatar
    This thread is ridiculous, haha. Have fun arguing about...well, nothing.
    11-07-2015 09:27 AM
  13. DLong4's Avatar
    My pre-ordered Lumia 950XL was delivered yesterday by AT&T. It is all teal colored. It came with unlimited OneDrive space and a cool mahogany case. Then I woke up. ;-)
    11-07-2015 09:33 AM
  14. jpling's Avatar
    Yay .950 passes through FCC
    11-07-2015 09:44 PM
  15. Jack Neill's Avatar
    cool maybe by June or July I'll grab one
    11-08-2015 01:31 PM
  16. Jon_Rubinstein's Avatar
    that is IF MS actually releases the damn thing before June/July 2016
    11-09-2015 12:09 AM
  17. JenkinsEar's Avatar
    How'd that turn out for ya?
    11-09-2015 10:18 AM
  18. JenkinsEar's Avatar
    And how did that turn out for ya?
    11-09-2015 10:19 AM
  19. mrmeyer's Avatar
    Financially, does it make sense to buy from AT&T? I don't have a problem with a contract, been using AT&T for decades, but I want the best price. I don't mind paying in full for unlocked if the $$ overall come out less.

    The biggest drawback to buying from AT&T is the crapware that I know will get installed (it's easy enough to unload from Windows 10), but I don't want to wait months for AT&T to "approve" a Windows 10 patch.
    11-09-2015 04:23 PM
  20. jmajid's Avatar
    Financially, does it make sense to buy from AT&T? I don't have a problem with a contract, been using AT&T for decades, but I want the best price. I don't mind paying in full for unlocked if the $$ overall come out less.

    The biggest drawback to buying from AT&T is the crapware that I know will get installed (it's easy enough to unload from Windows 10), but I don't want to wait months for AT&T to "approve" a Windows 10 patch.
    I see no reason for you to buy from ATT if you can afford to buy unlocked and full price.
    there is NO downside to buying unlocked and or full price from MIcrosoft store, online or in store, IF you can wait for them to be available - hoping they become available simultaneously....
    11-09-2015 04:36 PM
  21. BobLobIaw's Avatar
    Financially, does it make sense to buy from AT&T? I don't have a problem with a contract, been using AT&T for decades, but I want the best price. I don't mind paying in full for unlocked if the $$ overall come out less.

    The biggest drawback to buying from AT&T is the crapware that I know will get installed (it's easy enough to unload from Windows 10), but I don't want to wait months for AT&T to "approve" a Windows 10 patch.
    The primary advantage is that people can buy it with free financing through ATT Next. Unless ATT rolls out a special deal, it seems better to buy it from MS if you can afford to pay upfront.
    11-09-2015 04:49 PM
  22. BobLobIaw's Avatar
    Note the "bait" part of the bait-and-switch is still being advertised--15GB of "free" storage that goes away in 2016.
    You aren't satisfied posting about this on the other half-dozen on-topic threads?
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    11-09-2015 04:52 PM
  23. Skyway's Avatar
    Financially, does it make sense to buy from AT&T? I don't have a problem with a contract, been using AT&T for decades, but I want the best price. I don't mind paying in full for unlocked if the $$ overall come out less.

    The biggest drawback to buying from AT&T is the crapware that I know will get installed (it's easy enough to unload from Windows 10), but I don't want to wait months for AT&T to "approve" a Windows 10 patch.
    From the looks of it, AT&T won't be approving anything. Microsoft has said they will be releasing all updates and patches with carrier "input". Now, whatever that means, I don't know but it does sound a lot better than AT&T having full control of them.
    11-10-2015 12:07 AM
  24. HoosierDaddy's Avatar
    From the looks of it, AT&T won't be approving anything. Microsoft has said they will be releasing all updates and patches with carrier "input". Now, whatever that means, I don't know but it does sound a lot better than AT&T having full control of them.
    15GB of free OneDrive sounded good too. When in doubt, remove the doubt. Buy unlocked.

    AT&T knows some (maybe only a few) people will buy unlocked because of that doubt. There is a reason they don't clarify that themselves. The most likely is that they intend to do things that will delay updates, So if they say what's what they lose more "I feel lucky" buyers than they gain "not gonna chance it" buyers.
    11-10-2015 07:53 AM
  25. Skyway's Avatar
    15GB of free OneDrive sounded good too. When in doubt, remove the doubt. Buy unlocked.

    AT&T knows some (maybe only a few) people will buy unlocked because of that doubt. There is a reason they don't clarify that themselves. The most likely is that they intend to do things that will delay updates, So if they say what's what they lose more "I feel lucky" buyers than they gain "not gonna chance it" buyers.
    I know what you are saying, and I have my doubts too but I want to believe them. From what I've read about it, they want to keep the mobile updates consistent with pc updates, which would mean they couldn't possibly let the carriers mess that up by delaying the crap out of each update. But I know, talk is cheap. I guess we'll find out in due time.
    Microsoft says it will control Windows 10 Mobile update releases instead of carriers | Windows Central

    "If your phone is running Windows 10 Mobile, Microsoft says, it will get all updates, with Microsoft making the final call on when to push the update button."

    "That doesn't mean the carriers are completely out of the loop. The Windows Insider program will continue after the launch of Windows 10 Mobile, which means anyone who registers with the Insider program can get early access to updates with new features. The carriers will be part of that testing program, I'm told, probably getting access to builds at the same time as Microsoft's Elite Dogfood group and their input will help Microsoft decide when an update is ready to go out to all devices."

    "But those updates will be delivered simultaneously, to all devices on all carriers, meaning much less opportunity for fragmentation."
    11-10-2015 12:07 PM
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