11-20-2015 11:51 AM
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  1. zeke009's Avatar
    I know it's the same phone, but is the unlocked device outside of AT&T's painfully slow update cycle? If so, I'll gladly buy the unlocked phone from a Microsoft store. If the unlocked 950 is still saddled with AT&T's "we'll get to it when we get to it" update cycle, I guess it doesn't matter and I just need to figure out where and how I want to pay for it.

    Can someone comment on that?
    11-09-2015 04:03 PM
  2. Zachary Boddy's Avatar
    AT&T will still have a hand in updates, but apparently it's not as large anymore.
    Either way, if buying unlocked isn't an issue, then buy unlocked. Guaranteed fast updates, and no carrier bloatware, and no being locked to one carrier. Get the latest software first, enjoy it free of AT&T's apps and customizations, and go anywhere you want.
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    11-09-2015 04:09 PM
  3. mrmeyer's Avatar
    Is there a discount buying it from AT&T? Or is the only advantage "free" financing.
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    11-09-2015 04:19 PM
  4. zeke009's Avatar
    Financing appears to be the only thing there. I just don't want to be beholden by AT&T's update cycle. History shows they don't care about anything that isn't an iPhone.
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    11-09-2015 04:21 PM
  5. Zachary Boddy's Avatar
    Is there a discount buying it from AT&T? Or is the only advantage "free" financing.
    There's not really a discount. In fact, you'll end up paying more for the phone in the long run if you go through AT&T Next or tying yourself to a contract if you pay for the phone with a subsidized price. It's much better to buy unlocked if you can. If money is an issue then stow away even $20 a week and you'll save up pretty fast. Or buy with credit and pay it off over six months, and you'll probably still save money over buying from AT&T.
    11-09-2015 04:33 PM
  6. BobLobIaw's Avatar
    There's not really a discount. In fact, you'll end up paying more for the phone in the long run if you go through AT&T Next or tying yourself to a contract if you pay for the phone with a subsidized price. It's much better to buy unlocked if you can. If money is an issue then stow away even $20 a week and you'll save up pretty fast. Or buy with credit and pay it off over six months, and you'll probably still save money over buying from AT&T.
    I don't necessarily think it is better to buy from ATT, but I don't see how you pay more in the long run through ATT Next. Basically, you pay interest-free payments for a fixed number of months but can pay off the phone anytime you want so it's free financing as I see it. Am I missing something?
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    11-09-2015 04:48 PM
  7. fitchalcyone's Avatar
    I'm assuming he means the carrier commitment is the reason for the longer-term costs, which is understandable. However, if you are planning on sticking with AT&T, there really aren't any downfalls to the price with Next.
    11-09-2015 04:57 PM
  8. oviedofreak82's Avatar
    I don't necessarily think it is better to buy from ATT, but I don't see how you pay more in the long run through ATT Next. Basically, you pay interest-free payments for a fixed number of months but can pay off the phone anytime you want so it's free financing as I see it. Am I missing something?
    Yes that is exactly what you will be doing on AT&T Next. For example, I just picked up the 640 XL on the Next 18 plan. For an additional $10.42/month I'll be paying for the 640 XL with the option of upgrading in 18 months.

    On my paperwork, it clearly stated that I'll be paying off the $249.99 retail price in 24 monthly installments. The good thing about the next program is that you can pay it off early without and penalties for paying it of early. I plan on paying it off next month when I get my end of the year bonus from my job.
    11-09-2015 05:17 PM
  9. BobLobIaw's Avatar
    Thanks fitchalcyone, although I'm not sure what you mean by carrier commitment. You can cancel your service anytime as far as I know and the full balance of the phone is then due and owing. So you pay it off and own it just like you would own the unlocked phone. I suppose maybe an unlocked phone might have slightly higher resale value. If one is a carrier-shopper, it certainly makes sense to get the unlocked phone but that is a different issue than which is more expensive.
    11-09-2015 05:23 PM
  10. John M Beauchemin's Avatar
    Thanks fitchalcyone, although I'm not sure what you mean by carrier commitment.
    If you sign a contract for a certain period of time, you cannot cancel within that time period without incurring cancellation fees.
    11-09-2015 05:44 PM
  11. fitchalcyone's Avatar
    Sorry, Bob, I should have clarified that my mention of carrier commitment was in response to Zachary's mention of the traditional contract. In that case, yes, cost will be higher since AT&T charges a steep amount per line going that route.
    11-09-2015 05:56 PM
  12. was2wuz's Avatar
    There's not really a discount. In fact, you'll end up paying more for the phone in the long run if you go through AT&T Next or tying yourself to a contract if you pay for the phone with a subsidized price. It's much better to buy unlocked if you can. If money is an issue then stow away even $20 a week and you'll save up pretty fast. Or buy with credit and pay it off over six months, and you'll probably still save money over buying from AT&T.

    Sorry, Bob, I should have clarified that my mention of carrier commitment was in response to Zachary's mention of the traditional contract. In that case, yes, cost will be higher since AT&T charges a steep amount per line going that route.
    New guy here. I'm a little confused now. How is the subsidized contract price higher? Dan just reported today that the 950 should be $99 with a new contract. I plan on using my upgrade and starting a new contract with AT&T in order to walk in, pay $99 (+upgrade fee which will be waived) and walk out with a 950. How is that more in the long run than paying MS $549 up front?
    11-09-2015 07:52 PM
  13. John M Beauchemin's Avatar
    11-09-2015 08:19 PM
  14. drtek's Avatar
    The unlocked phone may not have wifi calling when AT&Terrible adds that option. But an unlocked phone is easier to sell.
    11-09-2015 08:19 PM
  15. PepperdotNet's Avatar
    If you get the factory unlocked model, you'll have to search for the MyAT&T, AT&T Navigator, AT&T Locker, AT&T Family Map, Mobile TV, and YPmobile apps yourself because it won't come with them preinstalled. You also won't see an AT&T logo when the phone boots up, or stamped on the back cover. I know this is heartbreaking news, well maybe if your name is "Lily."
    11-09-2015 08:31 PM
  16. elindalyne's Avatar
    I did a bunch of math for rates in a different thread... Basically it turned out that you're paying on average $100-$200 more for a phone and $300-$500 more for coverage by using a carrier plan vs a no contract plan.

    Also with the ATT branded stuff vs non ATT branded stuff, you're locked out of certain apps with ATT. Data Sense was one of them back in the day.
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    11-09-2015 08:42 PM
  17. TexasLabRat's Avatar
    I know it's the same phone, but is the unlocked device outside of AT&T's painfully slow update cycle? If so, I'll gladly buy the unlocked phone from a Microsoft store. If the unlocked 950 is still saddled with AT&T's "we'll get to it when we get to it" update cycle, I guess it doesn't matter and I just need to figure out where and how I want to pay for it.

    Can someone comment on that?
    the unlocked phone would definitely be outside of AT&T's update cycle as it is not tied to AT&T.

    Some differences:
    * AT&T's crapware on their phone versus "signature" version of unlocked
    * AT&T comes locked to AT&T and must be explicitly unlocked to use with another provider which may or may not be problematic depending on one's particular status with AT&T.
    * AT&T version seems to be single-SIM from FCC docs and unlocked might be dual-SIM (speculation on my part..I haven't seen any definitive proof)
    * AT&T version will definitely work with AT&T's 'special sauce' services such as data sense, mobile hotspot, wifi calling, VoLTE, etc...unlocked might work but that remains to be seen.
    * Differences in protection plans and their availability

    That's all I can think of off the top of my head.
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    11-09-2015 08:56 PM
  18. BobLobIaw's Avatar
    New guy here. I'm a little confused now. How is the subsidized contract price higher? Dan just reported today that the 950 should be $99 with a new contract. I plan on using my upgrade and starting a new contract with AT&T in order to walk in, pay $99 (+upgrade fee which will be waived) and walk out with a 950. How is that more in the long run than paying MS $549 up front?
    On my plan (Mobile Share with 4 phones) bring your own device and ATT Next only costs $15/month per line while on-contract charges $40/line. For me, if I add the $600 in extra monthly cost ($25/month over 24 months) to the cost of the phone on-contract ($99) that is $699 or $150 more than paying $549 up front or, even more economically, splitting the $549 into equal, interest-free monthly payments on ATT Next. YMMV depending upon your plan, but that is the principle (no pun intended).

    As Rodney Dangerfield said in Back to School, "I feel like I just gave birth...to an accountant."
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    11-09-2015 08:58 PM
  19. fitchalcyone's Avatar
    Yes, this is the reason why contracts are almost always a bad idea now with AT&T. You may be able to save a hair on very expensive phones, but at the $500 mark, you're better off going Next or buying outright.
    11-09-2015 10:23 PM
  20. was2wuz's Avatar
    On my plan (Mobile Share with 4 phones) bring your own device and ATT Next only costs $15/month per line while on-contract charges $40/line. For me, if I add the $600 in extra monthly cost ($25/month over 24 months) to the cost of the phone on-contract ($99) that is $699 or $150 more than paying $549 up front or, even more economically, splitting the $549 into equal, interest-free monthly payments on ATT Next. YMMV depending upon your plan, but that is the principle (no pun intended).

    As Rodney Dangerfield said in Back to School, "I feel like I just gave birth...to an accountant."
    Thanks for clearing that up. It seems you and I have very similar plans. I suppose the question now is, What are the incentives for buying from ATT vs. from MS? Will MS throw in a dock on band 2 as ATT might?
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    11-10-2015 01:20 AM
  21. RonnieJP's Avatar
    From what I can gather, initially it looks like the 950 will only be available thru AT&T and not unlocked thru MS. Conversely, the 950 XL will only be available unlocked thru MS and not AT&T. This is what I was told by an employee at the local Microsoft Store.
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    11-10-2015 01:42 AM
  22. HoosierDaddy's Avatar
    I'm assuming he means the carrier commitment is the reason for the longer-term costs, which is understandable. However, if you are planning on sticking with AT&T, there really aren't any downfalls to the price with Next.
    No there still are downsides. Planning doesn't mean things can't change. It is never GOOD to lose options or have options handicapped. There are LOTS of people who planned to stay with AT&T (or Verizon or their significant other, or ....) that ended up switching for one reason or another. The most successful people are the ones who keep their options open. Its just best practice, like wearing a seat belt even if you never have been in an accident and don't plan to.
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    11-10-2015 06:49 AM
  23. libra89's Avatar
    From what I can gather, initially it looks like the 950 will only be available thru AT&T and not unlocked thru MS. Conversely, the 950 XL will only be available unlocked thru MS and not AT&T. This is what I was told by an employee at the local Microsoft Store.
    You're right, it seems to be their style to delay their unlocked version in favor of a carrier having theirs available first...or is that really only for AT&T? I just realized that they did this with the 830, 640 XL, and the 635. Did I miss any?
    Buy Microsoft Lumia 950 ? Unlocked - Microsoft Store
    11-10-2015 07:38 AM
  24. drtek's Avatar
    Both will be available.
    11-10-2015 07:39 AM
  25. MiccalM's Avatar
    both locked and unlocked are listed on the MS store page. According to the rep I chatted with at the MS store the network the phone is connected will control the updates, regardless of the phone being locked or unlocked...
    libra89 likes this.
    11-10-2015 10:42 AM
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