11-17-2015 07:42 PM
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  1. kingkoopa09's Avatar
    All three times I have contacted AT&T this month inquiring as to the status of the 950 they tried to sell me a different phone with a different OS. I wonder if MS knows that it seems to be AT&T's policy to try and steer customers away from their products?
    Well since att just buys call centers most of the people u talk to aren't trained they just speak personally and most people don't know windows phones even exist besides a few 520s on prepaid. But I have to spend nearly 30mins trying to get a windows phone because nobody even knows how to find them on att
    11-16-2015 03:50 PM
  2. Skyway's Avatar
    I don't know if it was the same article or not, but I read somewhere that MS is expected to start shipping on the 25th.
    That's fine, but you can still buy the 950 without going on contract or buying unlocked. I'm sure AT&T got the right to sell the phone first through their stores, then after that MS can sell it unlocked.
    11-16-2015 03:51 PM
  3. HoosierDaddy's Avatar
    Taking directly from the first sentence in the second paragraph.

    "The phone will only be available on contract or with carrier financing via AT&T."

    Carrier financing is AT&T Next.
    Does Next allow you to pay it off immediately?
    11-16-2015 04:08 PM
  4. Skyway's Avatar
    Does Next allow you to pay it off immediately?
    I think you can, yes. Buy why wouldn't you buy unlocked if you were going to do that?

    Posted via the Windows Central App for Android
    11-16-2015 04:34 PM
  5. kingkoopa09's Avatar
    Or maybe get the phone now pay it off after a month or so, or even trade it back in, att has a trial period if u don't like the phone
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    11-16-2015 07:52 PM
  6. John M Beauchemin's Avatar
    Does Next allow you to pay it off immediately?
    I believe it does, and that extra monthly charge for the phone goes away... but I think you might still be locked into a contract for whatever the initial length of your NEXT plan was? I'm a little fuzzy on that.
    11-16-2015 07:54 PM
  7. saulgould13's Avatar
    I'll believe it when it's I see it.. All this jibber jabber and know one knows anything.
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    11-16-2015 08:14 PM
  8. Skyway's Avatar
    Or maybe get the phone now pay it off after a month or so, or even trade it back in, att has a trial period if u don't like the phone
    I believe all major carriers in the US have a 14 day trial period, but if you give back the phone they can charge you up to like $35 for a re-stocking fee.

    I believe it does, and that extra monthly charge for the phone goes away... but I think you might still be locked into a contract for whatever the initial length of your NEXT plan was? I'm a little fuzzy on that.
    Nope, no contract. Once you pay off the device, you may cancel your service if you want. The only contract you sign is with Next or a regular 2 year contract. If you byod, then there is nothing keeping you from getting rid of service whenever you want.
    11-16-2015 10:35 PM
  9. HoosierDaddy's Avatar
    I believe it does, and that extra monthly charge for the phone goes away... but I think you might still be locked into a contract for whatever the initial length of your NEXT plan was? I'm a little fuzzy on that.
    Yep. You're right. It's just amazing to me that there are people who will voluntarily lock themselves to a carrier. I mean the simple fact that the carrier considers (with some justification) that anyone who signs up is either dumb or desperate would keep me from doing it even if I was dumb or desperate. Even the desperate should have some self respect. The Devil must be pulling out his hair over carriers making him look like an amateur.
    11-17-2015 07:45 AM
  10. John M Beauchemin's Avatar
    Yep. You're right. It's just amazing to me that there are people who will voluntarily lock themselves to a carrier. I mean the simple fact that the carrier considers (with some justification) that anyone who signs up is either dumb or desperate would keep me from doing it even if I was dumb or desperate. Even the desperate should have some self respect. The Devil must be pulling out his hair over carriers making him look like an amateur.
    Just to clear this up, I had a long conversation with AT&T last night about my plan since I was ditching my old unlimited data contract plan I was grandfathered into. Here are the actual facts about NEXT:

    The AT&T NEXT plan is not a contract plan. It is a payment plan. No matter which version of NEXT you sign up for (12,18,24,30) you are not locked into a contract for that length of time... ONLY until you pay off the phone, and you can pay it off whenever you want, then you are free to do whatever you like.

    Also, I get that you hate carrier contracts as evident by your vitriolic posts on the subject, but why don't you cool it with stuff like calling people dumb & desperate? I have my own reasons for going with the NEXT plan rather than buying the phone outright, none of which involve my level of intelligence or any kind of dire financial straits.
    11-17-2015 11:26 AM
  11. ashram's Avatar
    Yep. You're right. It's just amazing to me that there are people who will voluntarily lock themselves to a carrier. I mean the simple fact that the carrier considers (with some justification) that anyone who signs up is either dumb or desperate would keep me from doing it even if I was dumb or desperate. Even the desperate should have some self respect. The Devil must be pulling out his hair over carriers making him look like an amateur.
    um, there is also a 3rd option as to why people would jump onto a contract.... If they are in a premiere plan (through your employer)

    I don't plan to jump ship from AT&T and i get a nice discount monthly. to top it off, i can upgrade early, and keep my unlimited plan (no 5GB warning, and actually can choose among 3 different unlimited plans, data, data+txt, data+txt+voice)

    so, not all of us are dumb or desperate. the only other option for decent service where I live is verizon, and i don't plan jumping to them ever.
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    11-17-2015 12:29 PM
  12. HoosierDaddy's Avatar
    The AT&T NEXT plan is not a contract plan. It is a payment plan. No matter which version of NEXT you sign up for (12,18,24,30) you are not locked into a contract for that length of time... ONLY until you pay off the phone, and you can pay it off whenever you want, then you are free to do whatever you like.
    Okay, I could have sworn I read on the AT&T site that you were committed to use AT&T service for the duration of the Next period. I hope it doesn't effect when a phone can be unlocked.

    If you don't have to keep using AT&T after you pay the phone off (for the duration of the Next plan chosen) and can pay it off any time and can get the phone unlocked as soon as you could without Next, then I stand corrected.
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    11-17-2015 12:56 PM
  13. HoosierDaddy's Avatar
    um, there is also a 3rd option as to why people would jump onto a contract.... If they are in a premiere plan (through your employer)

    I don't plan to jump ship from AT&T and i get a nice discount monthly. to top it off, i can upgrade early, and keep my unlimited plan (no 5GB warning, and actually can choose among 3 different unlimited plans, data, data+txt, data+txt+voice)

    so, not all of us are dumb or desperate. the only other option for decent service where I live is verizon, and i don't plan jumping to them ever.
    I should not have said ANYONE. And if it doesn't lock people in or change when they can get a phone unlocked, maybe should have said a minority.
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    11-17-2015 12:58 PM
  14. Skyway's Avatar
    Okay, I could have sworn I read on the AT&T site that you were committed to use AT&T service for the duration of the Next period. I hope it doesn't effect when a phone can be unlocked.

    If you don't have to keep using AT&T after you pay the phone off (for the duration of the Next plan chosen) and can pay it off any time and can get the phone unlocked as soon as you could without Next, then I stand corrected.
    This is how it works. I have no obligation to stay with AT&T besides the phone contract. I can pay off the phone whenever and then switch to whatever service I want (and I get to keep the phone). Now if I switch to Verizon and I have a phone that only works on GSM, then the phone won't work. At that point, I would sell the phone and use that money towards the purchase of a new device. I can also unlock my phone whenever I want. It gives me the option on my account page even though I'm still making Next payments.
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    11-17-2015 01:38 PM
  15. jaimeastin's Avatar
    Pay now or later, essentially the same thing.

    http://www.cnet.com/news/contract-or...e-better-deal/

    Contract or next plan, you are essentially still in the same boat... A contract on the service and phone for 2 years... Or a contract on just the phone. There is only small savings going with the next plan... One can always buy out of the contract... Whether they pay the balance of the phone off on the next plan or pay the early termination fee (essentially, the balance of the phone) to end the contract.

    People try to make others feel bad or declass them for buying on contract or next rather than outright... Seriously, who jumps carriers every quarter? Personally, I have no plan to leave att. But I have not had a contract for years and have bought phones outright.

    Here is the deal, ATT is making the same money... Or other carrier. No matter how you chop it up, you will pay about the same... So pick your poison. We all have a choice...

    I personally like to wait a bit to buy the phone outright for a better price... I have found there is nothing life changing about having something day one... When I will be doing the same thing that I was with the previous device... If it does not make me money or save me money, it is not an investment worth chasing day one...

    Get what you want, however you want and dont worry what people on the forums think of how you paid... Again pay now or later, you will still pay.
    Last edited by jaimeastin; 11-17-2015 at 04:31 PM. Reason: spelling and such...
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    11-17-2015 01:56 PM
  16. John M Beauchemin's Avatar
    Okay, I could have sworn I read on the AT&T site that you were committed to use AT&T service for the duration of the Next period. I hope it doesn't effect when a phone can be unlocked.
    I can understand why you thought that, I did as well. Honestly, I haven't given my cellular plan a second glance since 2007, so going into this new situation I had to learn how much the industry has changed over the years. It certainly seems less toxic to me than it used to be.

    So, for the numbers, switching from my grandfathered Cingular/AT&T unlimited data plan to AT&T's NEXT30 my bill went from $102/mo with my OWN phone, to $76/mo with my new Lumia950 on payments. That $76 is INCLUDING payments.

    When I think about all the extra money I've been giving AT&T for the past few years, I want to cry.
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    11-17-2015 02:06 PM
  17. tgp's Avatar
    Yep. You're right. It's just amazing to me that there are people who will voluntarily lock themselves to a carrier. I mean the simple fact that the carrier considers (with some justification) that anyone who signs up is either dumb or desperate would keep me from doing it even if I was dumb or desperate. Even the desperate should have some self respect. The Devil must be pulling out his hair over carriers making him look like an amateur.
    The fact is that few people switch carriers anyway. I do understand what you're saying, and you are correct to a point, but in real life whether you can switch or not makes absolutely no difference to most people. It's not like everyone is out there every other month looking for a new carrier. And kind of related, while I personally hate how US carriers lock their phones, in real life this makes no difference to most customers. But me? Factory unlocked all the way.

    While we're on the subject, how often do you switch carriers?

    And to add something else, this situation is pretty much limited to WP users. If you use Android or iPhone, virtually all devices are available on all carriers. WP users need to switch carriers simply to get the model they want.

    Read the other forums. These rants are only here.
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    11-17-2015 02:18 PM
  18. saulgould13's Avatar
    @jameastin.. Amen brotha!
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    11-17-2015 03:33 PM
  19. tgp's Avatar
    Contract or next plan, you are essentially still in the same boat... A contract on the service and phone for 2 years... Or a contract o just the phone. There is only small savings going with the next plan... One can always buy out of the contract... Whether they pay the balance of the phone off on the next plan or pay the early termination fee (essentially, the balance of the phone) to end the contract.

    People try to make other feel bad or declass them for buying on contract or next rather than outright... Seriously, who jumps carriers every quarter? Personally, I have no plan to leave att. But I have not had a contract for years and have bought phones outright.
    Agreed, it doesn't make much difference how you buy your phone. In fact, in certain cases it is cheaper to buy the phone on contract and then immediately cancel the contract and pay the ETF rather than buying the phone outright. Contracts aren't all bad.
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    11-17-2015 04:02 PM
  20. HoosierDaddy's Avatar
    in certain cases it is cheaper to buy the phone on contract and then immediately cancel the contract and pay the ETF rather than buying the phone outright.
    More info please!

    And are there any IRAs based on that?
    11-17-2015 04:22 PM
  21. jaimeastin's Avatar
    That is what people used to do with iphones and other smartphones. The subsidized price plus ETF was cheaper than the phone in a lot of circumstances. This made the carriers raise their etf prices, lol.
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    11-17-2015 04:34 PM
  22. HoosierDaddy's Avatar
    That is what people used to do with iphones and other smartphones. The subsidized price plus ETF was cheaper than the phone in a lot of circumstances. This made the carriers raise their etf prices, lol.
    If I had only known.
    11-17-2015 04:49 PM
  23. jaimeastin's Avatar
    If I had only known.
    Yeah now it is like$325 for att, but it used to be like 200, so... 200 or so for a phone... Then the etf 200... You got a $600 phone for $400, lol.

    Pwople are more afraid of etf than contracts, lol. Companies have scares people with the fee to cancel and people live by it... I will cancel anything if I need to... The company will be like there ia a fee... Im like, that's next month payment anyhow... So, what's your point... Then they are like... Dont leave... And give in to my demand. Whoo hoo hah haahaaaa!!! Just kidding, But they know I can/will so we even the table to make things right.

    You have to see all the sides, know the terms, know where you stand, and always know you have a choice. I always find the win for me :)
    11-17-2015 06:38 PM
  24. EMitchell's Avatar
    All three times I have contacted AT&T this month inquiring as to the status of the 950 they tried to sell me a different phone with a different OS. I wonder if MS knows that it seems to be AT&T's policy to try and steer customers away from their products?
    I remember something similar with my Lumia 900 when it first came out, I was having problems staying connected to the cell network, so I called AT&T. Their response was that, yeah, the Window's OS phones were terrible, and that I should think about moving to something else. I was pretty surprised at the time, that rather than giving me help to solve my problem with their network, they suggested changing phones.
    11-17-2015 06:58 PM
  25. ashram's Avatar
    I remember something similar with my Lumia 900 when it first came out, I was having problems staying connected to the cell network, so I called AT&T. Their response was that, yeah, the Window's OS phones were terrible, and that I should think about moving to something else. I was pretty surprised at the time, that rather than giving me help to solve my problem with their network, they suggested changing phones.
    similar issue with the htc titan (wp7). after 4 exchanges with crap reception, I demanded an exchange. I was told "there are no windows equivalents and to pick an android device". I sain No, and the site listed the titan 2 and lumia 900 in stock. give me one of those. well, after 1 rep refused to honor it a day later, I escalated the issue and got a new lumia 900.
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    11-17-2015 07:42 PM
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