11-25-2015 12:05 AM
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  1. Michkol's Avatar
    It looks nice and I'm getting me one.
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    11-23-2015 01:41 PM
  2. Daniel Ratcliffe's Avatar
    I feel like people think if a product does not come out doing everything the iPhone can, with all services the iPhone has, and all Apps the iPhone market has, it might as well not be released at all.
    For the average Joe Public though, that IS the case. Hence the reason for me saying I'd give the Lumia 950 a 0/10 (something I still stand by, even if it's an opinion that'll get me hated, heck I'd even give any BlackBerry except for the Priv the same rating because of the apps). The fact of the matter is that for many people the iPhone apps and services are critical for them.

    In a world where companies are suing other companies over the shape of their phone (Apple v Samsung), the name of a product (Microsoft v Sky), and basic common sense interface design, such as rubber-banding the end of a scrolling list (Apple v Everyone), making a copy of an iPhone will just get you in hot water. Microsoft can't simply give us the iPhone with their name on it. They have to do things completely differently, or they'll be sued (or have to pay so much in licencing and royalties that it doesn't make financial sense to do it).
    And herein lies the crux of the issue and proves why Microsoft is dammed if they do and dammed if they don't. Create an iPhone clone, get sued until they go bankrupt, don't make an iPhone clone and people won't touch it with a ten foot barge pole. Then factor in the hatred towards Microsoft by techies and reviewers (I know a lot of techies that have an absolute disdain to Microsoft) and you can see why Microsoft is in an extremely tough position.
    11-24-2015 12:40 AM
  3. derek533's Avatar
    Lumia 1520 user here. I've been a WP fan since the days of the HTC Trophy which was my first WP (I had a couple of older Windows Mobile devices as well).

    My 1520 is on it's very last legs. It has the screen problem of whazzing out on me like so many. The only fix to get it to stop is to bend the phone a little. Having said that, I am off contract so pretty much, the world is mine so to speak when it comes to my options. I really wanted to like these new devices and upgrade to a 950XL myself. Problem is, ATT is not carrying the XL and I really don't want to go back down to a 5.2" screen (see what the 1520 does to you!). So it's either pony up for the XL unlocked at $649, get something else besides a WP (shudder when I think about this), or try to stretch out the 1520 as long as possible. I chose option B which is get something else. As much as I love, LOVE WP, I just cannot justify $649 out of pocket at one time with no subsidy. That, along with the knowledge that WM10 isn't quite ready yet IMO and it will be a nice change having something that doesn't lack for app availability.

    Look, this review is spot on. The hardware itself is great, the unfortunate thing is, it is being run by an OS that isn't quite ready with an app selection that while hopefully improving, is still seriously lacking compared to the other platforms. NO big deal though, I'll just sit out this generation and wait a year or so and see what WP is up to then because I am sure I'll be ready to come back at that point.
    11-24-2015 01:24 AM
  4. Dewg's Avatar
    Look, this review is spot on. The hardware itself is great, the unfortunate thing is, it is being run by an OS that isn't quite ready with an app selection that while hopefully improving, is still seriously lacking compared to the other platforms. NO big deal though, I'll just sit out this generation and wait a year or so and see what WP is up to then because I am sure I'll be ready to come back at that point.
    This is exactly what Microsoft does NOT need. If people want Windows Mobile to succeed, they MUST buy it, and fight for it. They must email app developers and demand W10M apps. They must download and purchase existing apps, supporting current developers.

    Sitting on the sidelines will only doom the platform.
    11-24-2015 09:54 AM
  5. btgusto's Avatar
    No its not something that can be slapped together. But when you are the largest software developer in the world and you are currently a year behind other payments system, something is wrong. While we wait to get it right, the rest of the industry as you know continues to move at a lightning pace. Consumers are not waiting for MS to get it right. Consumers buying into windows phone is the only way this platform will grow.
    11-24-2015 01:03 PM
  6. Laura Knotek's Avatar
    This is exactly what Microsoft does NOT need. If people want Windows Mobile to succeed, they MUST buy it, and fight for it. They must email app developers and demand W10M apps. They must download and purchase existing apps, supporting current developers.

    Sitting on the sidelines will only doom the platform.
    Many people have done that for the past 3-4 years.
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    11-24-2015 01:12 PM
  7. btgusto's Avatar
    Yes, and while we wait the rest of the industry is moving past us. I do want them to get it right but at what point do we start to hold the largest software company's feet to the fire? You telling me that apple and android are that much better than MS that they can be at least a year ahead of us in the mobile payment space???? By saying wait to get it right is an excuse we keep giving to this company. It's become a mantra meme or insider joke among other posters. I keep seeing MS should trademark "soon" or "coming soon" Or wait until next year, windows phone will be great.
    Laura Knotek and derek533 like this.
    11-24-2015 01:13 PM
  8. Dusan Randj's Avatar
    This is exactly what Microsoft does NOT need. If people want Windows Mobile to succeed, they MUST buy it, and fight for it. They must email app developers and demand W10M apps. They must download and purchase existing apps, supporting current developers.

    Sitting on the sidelines will only doom the platform.
    We are not MSFT employes to work their jo, you know. I don't have to pay them for phone and then work for them. If they want their platform to succeed, they could hire a man or two to send mails to companies asking them to make apps. If just a few percent of requests succeed, it'll change things a lot.
    11-24-2015 01:17 PM
  9. Joe920's Avatar
    What I don't understand is why they're not selling these at much lower cost. If they want more apps they need more users, and to get more users the price needs to be so good that they use would be willing to live with the app gap. Once more apps start coming in they can start ramping up the profit margins again. Maybe they hope that the 640 and 640XL will bring in the most users and that there are enough WP 'enthusiasts' that they can recoup the 950 development costs?
    derek533 likes this.
    11-24-2015 01:26 PM
  10. derek533's Avatar
    This is exactly what Microsoft does NOT need. If people want Windows Mobile to succeed, they MUST buy it, and fight for it. They must email app developers and demand W10M apps. They must download and purchase existing apps, supporting current developers.

    Sitting on the sidelines will only doom the platform.
    Really? I'm suppose to just stay with WP come hell or high water? That's something a blind fanboy does. This however, is the US where capitialism reigns (for the time being at least ;)). If MSFT really wants the phone platform to survive and eventually thrive, they'll get their butts in gear and do what needs to be done. However, those of us who live in the real world, have needs (wants) in terms of app selection and right now, the app store for MSFT just ain't cutting it. With the whole universal app thing happening, I hope that changes in the near future as I really love WP. However, for the time being, I need a new device and the Lumia 950 while awesome hardware, leaves me wanting in other departments. Plus, I am really excited to see what comes of Continum (sp?) and after the Denim update on my 1520, I really don't want to be another beta tester for WM10.

    Oh, and I've been supportive of this platform for a long time now and the only thing that has gotten us, is a great device with an OS that needs some serious bug fixes and tweaks. All of this while I watch the app store shrink before my eyes.
    Laura Knotek and MikeSo like this.
    11-24-2015 01:30 PM
  11. RumoredNow's Avatar
    What I don't understand is why they're not selling these at much lower cost. If they want more apps they need more users, and to get more users the price needs to be so good that they use would be willing to live with the app gap. Once more apps start coming in they can start ramping up the profit margins again. Maybe they hope that the 640 and 640XL will bring in the most users and that there are enough WP 'enthusiasts' that they can recoup the 950 development costs?
    That was Nokia's tactic which Microsoft followed through on while absorbing the phone divisions...

    It wasn't a rousing success.
    11-24-2015 02:55 PM
  12. theefman's Avatar

    Sitting on the sidelines will only doom the platform.
    Tell that to the multi billion dollar profit company who has been doing just that since they launched it in 2010.
    11-24-2015 03:08 PM
  13. badMojo69's Avatar
    I'm no blind fanboy. I had a Iphone 6 for like a month and sold it. Why, because anytime I wanted to know something like news or stock prices I had to click an icon. To be honest I guess they did have that pull down thing for stocks...still lame.

    I have also owned 4 android phones this year (Xperia Z ultra, Lg G pro 2, LG Stylo (I like this phone) and a Blu Pure XL). I still have them all, but I miss windows. It's just simple. I make a live tile for the stuff I'm interested in and it's just there when I turn my phone on.

    I'm a core app kind of guy, so I'm happy with the direction they are going. I see no reason they can't flip the smart phone market on it's ears. These phones are for us the fans and I'm glad they made them...if only to work out all the bugs b4 the Surface Phone drops.
    RumoredNow likes this.
    11-24-2015 04:01 PM
  14. Dewg's Avatar
    We are not MSFT employes to work their jo, you know. I don't have to pay them for phone and then work for them. If they want their platform to succeed, they could hire a man or two to send mails to companies asking them to make apps. If just a few percent of requests succeed, it'll change things a lot.
    I respectfully disagree. The reason the app store is lacking is a classic catch-22. Developers look at market share and decide it's not worth it to them to develop for the Windows 10 Mobile platform. The only way developers can be convinced to make apps is if people purchase the phones, download the existing apps, and write developers asking for them to support the platform. Microsoft sending them letters isn't likely enough to do it. It's going to take thousands of people requesting an app before someone thinks, "Hey, maybe I can make some money on the Microsoft app store. I think I'll port my app."

    If people think that there's not enough apps, so they'll just wait, or buy an iPhone/Android phone, then the market won't improve.

    The reason the Apple app store is as large as it is, was they were first with the concept of a unified store. Once it caught on, there really wasn't much competition so their store grew rapidly and thrived. Android came along and offered an alternative, on a Java platform that developers were used to, and gave away the OS. Phones were cheap and the low end market took off. Microsoft has the tough job of inserting itself somewhere in the middle. They're not going to dominate the market, but no one really should - that just hurts competition. But they can get 20% of the market and be a decent 3rd place, or even 2nd place in the rankings. There's room for all three OSs - 33% each would be nice. :-)
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    11-25-2015 12:05 AM
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