12-08-2015 01:25 AM
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  1. libra89's Avatar
    Apple iphones or iDevices are primarily targeted for noobs and even for geeks. So, taking noobs into consideration, they want a device that just works at the end of the day w/o a hitch. Even a kid can use an iDevice because of its ease of use. Windows on the other hand, is a little unfriendly with noobs, but after spending a little time with windows ecosystem, they prefer windows 75% of the time.
    Really? I don't think there's anything wrong with wanting something that works. Isn't that part of the point? I am an average user (I guess? lol) and I was able to figure it out.
    11-23-2015 09:45 AM
  2. BLKahuna's Avatar
    Thank you Plandy for breathing a little bit of joy in the doom-and-gloom that's taken over this forum.

    Microsoft didn't do a good job of finishing WM10 before releasing it and I'm sure some of the cons you noted will be addressed with improvements to drivers in upcoming releases. Microsoft has said that Windows 10 will always be a work in progress and so we'll get improvements on a regular basis (rather than an SP every 3 years or so).

    The big question now is how much AT&T will interfere with the distribution of these improvements. They have a very bad history of sitting on Windows upgrades and releasing them very slowly (can you say Lumia 830?). MS has been building a channel to deliver updates to us while circumventing AT&T and hopefully our OS will improve quickly over the coming months.
    11-23-2015 11:04 AM
  3. Finchee's Avatar
    I have been an iPhone user for the past 5 years and began searching for something new after my last contract expired (Verizon). I started exploring new phone hardware and OS's and came across WP a while back on a friends 8.1 phone. I was impressed with it from the start. I was just getting bored and tired with iOS which has remained largely the same since birth.

    I am an avid mac/iphone user but use windows daily as well and am impressed with windows 10 so I started following WP10 shortly after.

    I finally settled on the Lumia 950 with WP 10 after researching it and waiting for weeks. I read the forums and reviews. I asked friends and mobile reps. It was barely positive but I had hope for something coming from MS. I wanted it enough that I even jumped carriers.

    I've heavily used the phone since it's release on Friday and I am pretty impressed so far. The phone gets warm just like my 5S but it's a non issue. Here are my thoughts.

    Pros:
    Gorgeous UI and design
    Love the live tiles
    All the apps I regularly use are available except Chase banking and snapchat
    Unique windows apps like baconit are great
    Phone itself is nice. Getting used to the big screen still
    The plastic design doesn't feel like an apple device by any means but it feels more solid than Samsung and some others. It's definitely not cheap feeling
    Camera is awesome
    Cortana works as well as Siri for what I do
    Screen is great
    Battery life after a day of heavy use leaves about 30% remaining
    Ease of transferring contacts
    Removable back cover
    Hello or the iris recognition works better than expected

    Cons:
    New keyboard not easy to get used to
    Keyboard is laggy at times
    Some apps seem a bit laggy and slow
    Speaker is underwhelming
    Touch screen not as sensitive or accurate as iPhone but it works well enough
    Some live tiles/apps don't seem to update their notifications very quickly

    Overall:
    I am a bit of a techy but I think anybody can pick up and use WP easy enough. I picked up my iPhone after two days and it felt so outdated! I am willing to wait for MS to work out the kinks and have high hopes for snapchat to arrive. I also want my fantasy football apps (yahoo)! Making the switch has been easy enough and I'm sure I've made the right decision so far.
    I was a Windows Phone fan that switched over to iOS with the iPhone 6s Plus. Here are my thoughts on your findings and a short comparison between platforms.

    - The Windows Phone UI is the best out of the 3 platforms. iOS and Android are simply boring to use when it comes to the UI.

    - The Live Tiles are awesome and I miss not being able to look at them. That said, the Widgets section on iOS is pretty good, albeit, limited to only certain apps that support that feature.

    - I miss being able to pin a Live Tile for my wife.

    - Agreed on the app gap/app parity on the Windows Phone. I can only hope Microsoft can resolve this going forward. I have no such problems on iOS, except, Age of Empires Castle Siege is not available on iOS. If you have a Windows Phone, you better be enjoying that game :) I can still play it on my desktop and Surface though.

    - Have not been able to test a 950 yet, but I will say the iPhone 6s Plus design is boring. It kinda feels premium and is very light, but I think my old Lumia 920 looks better and feels better than the iPhone 6s Plus.

    - Cortana is more fun to use than Siri

    - Finger print reader on iPhone 6s Plus is super fast. Going forward I will never buy a phone without a finger print reader or iris scanner. The ideal phone of the future should have support for both of these features at the same time.

    - iOS keyboard seems to be easier for me to use. BUT, Windows Phone has native support for Wordflow (like Swype from Android). I miss being able to just swipe words when messaging. The predictive text algorithm in Windows Phone also seem to work better than in iOS. There were times in the past where I could text my wife by simply swiping the first word, then finish up the message purely by using the predictive text suggestions.

    - I also miss the Glance feature from Windows Phone
    Last edited by Finchee; 11-23-2015 at 02:44 PM.
    11-23-2015 11:57 AM
  4. worldspy99's Avatar
    I set up a iPhone 6 for my wife who has been using a Lumia 928 for about 1.5 years now. Within the first 10 minutes the biggest gripe was keyboard is worthless - extra tap to get a period or comma and no wordflow. Also autocorrect and autosuggestion are terrible on iOS compared to WP - this is her observation (as someone who is not too heavily into tech).
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    11-23-2015 01:00 PM
  5. plandyman's Avatar
    Yes despite my poor typing in WP so far, the auto correct and predictive typing are quite better than my old iPhone.

    I only wish I could drag my finger in the text to insert the cursor rather than tapping and hoping for the best.

    On another note, I specifically asked the ATT rep about future updates and he said they now release updates from all manufacturers and companies as soon as they get them. I told him of the problems in the past with windows and he seemed to shrug it off, saying there will be no wait going forward. I hope that's true!
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    11-23-2015 02:55 PM
  6. Padr1n0's Avatar
    The keyboard is actually much better on WP8 than it is in WP10. I don't know why they changed it. I also agree that while cooler, Iris scanner is not better than Fingerprint and MS shouldn't have tried to reinvent the wheel and just provided a fingerprint reader. Same as they did with the "action center". Android and iOS have no problems ripping off windows features. I don't know why MS acts like it's ashamed to crib features from them.

    Forget emotions. Give the user, a great experience period! I still cant wait to unlock my phone with my eyes obviously lol
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    11-23-2015 03:53 PM
  7. Witness's Avatar
    I picked up my iPhone after two days and it felt so outdated!
    This statement is what most people would say if they'd only give WP a run for a few days. As for the apps, we'll need more people giving WP a shot and when the user base grows, the apps will come.
    ven07 likes this.
    11-23-2015 05:16 PM
  8. coip's Avatar
    I had some friends and family switch from iOS to Windows Phone and they really liked the Windows Phone OS a lot more for several reasons:
    1. Live tiles: superior notifications and home-screen customizability
    2. Pins: the ability to pin individual contacts, websites, or in-app groups (like Facebook or GroupMe groups, etc.) to the Start screen
    3. Dedicated buttons: back button and camera shutter
    4. Xbox gaming: earning achievements on the go

    Personally, I switched from Android to Windows Phone and don't miss Android at all. In addition to the four points above, I also think the Windows mobile OS performance is much better.
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    11-23-2015 05:28 PM
  9. Skyway's Avatar
    When I went into my local ATT store, they literally held a gun to my head and said I HAD to buy the 950. I didn't want to take any chances so I reluctantly bought one 😒


    Seriously though, to all the people who have used or bought the 950 and didn't like/hated it, I feel ya. I was the exact same way after I unboxed it and used it for the first time. It just didn't feel finished, it lagged a lot, got pretty warm, and was just an unpleasant experience. Fast forward a couple of days and my tune has changed. I love this phone, it's smooth and lag free, barely gets warm under heavy use, and the battery life is only getting better. There is a break in period of a couple days to a week and while I'll admit that Android phones don't seem so broken at first, they also require a break in period as well. It is just so much more pronounced on this phone. If people would just give it time (you have a 14 day buyers remorse period in which you can return it), I think they would be pleasantly surprised how much better of a device it becomes. This is just my .02 on the matter, take it how you will.
    11-23-2015 06:29 PM
  10. treeflip7's Avatar
    I was in the exact same position as the original poster (iphone to lumia 950) and I largely agree with his pros and cons. The only addition I would have is that there are all sorts of nuances in WM10 that ios doesn't have that I really enjoy. While I'm sure android has them that platform is just too ugly to look at all day.

    My battery life is not great, although I'm running on the light theme. Additionally, it's a pain in the *** outlook doesn't have one integrated inbox. Other than that, I would highlight that the keyboard is indeed worse than ios's.
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    11-23-2015 06:53 PM
  11. odin09's Avatar
    I think a lot of this is related to what we are used to. I have been using windows phone since windows 7 and love the keyboard. I have a hard time trying on the iPhone keyboard. The iPhone is billed as the super easy and intuitive phone but for me personally I prefer windows a lot.
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    11-23-2015 07:07 PM
  12. Skyway's Avatar
    I think a lot of this is related to what we are used to. I have been using windows phone since windows 7 and love the keyboard. I have a hard time trying on the iPhone keyboard. The iPhone is billed as the super easy and intuitive phone but for me personally I prefer windows a lot.
    My biggest gripe with the kb is it's lack of swipe integration. It works great with some apps (windows central), but then doesn't work at all with others (edge).
    11-23-2015 08:02 PM
  13. nukesheart1520's Avatar
    My battery life is not great, although I'm running on the light theme.
    I think you should use the Dark theme, since 950 has an OLED screen, and black colors are better for its battery.
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    11-23-2015 09:45 PM
  14. tgp's Avatar
    I set up a iPhone 6 for my wife who has been using a Lumia 928 for about 1.5 years now. Within the first 10 minutes the biggest gripe was keyboard is worthless - extra tap to get a period or comma and no wordflow. Also autocorrect and autosuggestion are terrible on iOS compared to WP - this is her observation (as someone who is not too heavily into tech).
    As an avid user of all 3 platforms, I can compare the keyboards from first hand experience. iOS easily has the worst of the 3. No swiping and the need to tap the symbols key to get symbols and numbers automatically drops it into last place. I find the word prediction and autocorrect similar on the 3, except for SwiftKey on Android. In my opinion, this one easily takes the cake, winning pretty much every point on all keyboards.

    SwiftKey is also available on iOS, but so far 3rd party keyboard integration is quite flaky. It often reverts to the stock keyboard for no apparant reason (that I've noticed anyway), and automatically uses stock when entering a password (granted, this is understandable for security reasons).

    Lining them up, overall I'd give a tie to WP and Android stock keyboards, with iOS a distant 3rd. But add SwiftKey (Android) to the list, and it goes to the top with the rest moving way down the list!
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    11-23-2015 10:21 PM
  15. ROBBIE HALL's Avatar
    To the OP...
    what apps are you missing? there is always the "app gap" argument. and this is very personal. but coming from an iPhone to WP are there any apps that
    you are missing? that may be a major setback?
    ven07 likes this.
    11-24-2015 08:17 AM
  16. Mark Kaplan's Avatar
    Thank you for sharing! Great perspective.
    11-24-2015 08:23 AM
  17. DavidinCT's Avatar
    When my wife's iPhone 4 starting to die, I had her get a 928 and told her to go through the 14 day window and try it. After about 5 days, she liked the OS better than the iPhone but, the biggest problem was as normal for iPhone users, is the apps.

    1/2 the Apps she used were not available (just basic apps, local weather, news, big web sites) and about 1/2 of those missing apps there was a 3rd party one, all of them were so feature stripped that she could not use them. The native apps, were so behind from the iPhone version, just day to day tasks could not be done.

    She compared 25 apps with me, one by one, showing me each apps limits....I love Windows Phone but, I even told her to return the phone and get another iPhone... You just cant compete with it.

    If you really want to try Windows Phone...No question, most people with a open mind like WP better than iOS or Android but, most people will agree with the app problem.

    Get a phone, make sure the apps that are available FIT YOUR NEEDS and plan for a while. If you can find everything you need and like then go for it, you will be happy but, if your a app junkie, Windows Phone WILL NOT FIT YOUR NEEDS.
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    11-24-2015 08:56 AM
  18. libra89's Avatar
    When my wife's iPhone 4 starting to die, I had her get a 928 and told her to go through the 14 day window and try it. After about 5 days, she liked the OS better than the iPhone but, the biggest problem was as normal for iPhone users, is the apps.

    1/2 the Apps she used were not available (just basic apps, local weather, news, big web sites) and about 1/2 of those missing apps there was a 3rd party one, all of them were so feature stripped that she could not use them. The native apps, were so behind from the iPhone version, just day to day tasks could not be done.

    She compared 25 apps with me, one by one, showing me each apps limits....I love Windows Phone but, I even told her to return the phone and get another iPhone... You just cant compete with it.

    If you really want to try Windows Phone...No question, most people with a open mind like WP better than iOS or Android but, most people will agree with the app problem.

    Get a phone, make sure the apps that are available FIT YOUR NEEDS and plan for a while. If you can find everything you need and like then go for it, you will be happy but, if your a app junkie, Windows Phone WILL NOT FIT YOUR NEEDS.
    Well said, but the only thing I will add is that this applies especially if you live in the United States. The situation seems like it isn't equal in a number of countries.
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    11-24-2015 09:50 AM
  19. plandyman's Avatar
    To the OP...
    what apps are you missing? there is always the "app gap" argument. and this is very personal. but coming from an iPhone to WP are there any apps that
    you are missing? that may be a major setback?
    It's not a major problem for me but here is what I would like:

    Snapchat
    Yahoo fantasy football
    Chase banking

    Everything else I use windows has, or a suitable alternative.

    I have even pinned the mobile sites to chase and yahoo so that will work for now
    11-24-2015 01:14 PM
  20. Artem Veselovsky's Avatar
    It's not a major problem for me but here is what I would like:

    Snapchat
    Yahoo fantasy football
    Chase banking

    Everything else I use windows has, or a suitable alternative.

    I have even pinned the mobile sites to chase and yahoo so that will work for now
    For fantasy football check StatGnome in the store. looks like a decent app for that
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    11-24-2015 01:32 PM
  21. Steve WWW's Avatar
    I also recently switched from an iPhone to Windows Phone. My Lumia 950 should be arriving from the Microsoft Store this week. I've been using Macs since 1999 and iPhone since 2008, but personally found both platforms have became increasingly stale, cumbersome, counter-intuitive, and crufty over the last few years. Windows Phone is a very exciting place to be.

    Two years ago, I bought a used Lumia 620 (?) to play with because I was curious about Windows Phone 7. Loved the UI, and bought a Blu Win HD LTE after my iPhone 6 got wet and stopped working. Now that I've used Windows Phone 8.1 as my primary phone for the last few months, I am thrilled to be getting a Lumia 950 soon. To have a good camera and great screen on Windows 10 Mobile will be a joy.

    Sure, there are a few apps that I miss on iOS (Overcast podcasting app, Kuna, Drivebot, and full-featured LastPass) but I'd much rather have Windows Phone with its beautiful UI, fresh design ideas, innovative features, and a very real feeling of excitement and potential for the future.
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    11-24-2015 03:33 PM
  22. btrach144's Avatar
    Snapchat and Yahoo Fantasy sport apps will never arrive and you'll grow tired of being disappointed and switch back to your iPhone. I had an iPhone for 6 years, switched to WP 8, 8.1, and 10 and while I saw progress it wasn't enough. I switched back to an iPhone 6s after two years on WP and I couldn't be happier. I hope MS works it out and WP becomes high quality but I'm not going to be onboard during the transformation stage. It's painful.
    11-24-2015 03:45 PM
  23. RoninHard's Avatar
    I only wish I could drag my finger in the text to insert the cursor rather than tapping and hoping for the best.
    If you place your finger and hold it on the text you want to edit, the insert character mode will activate and you can then drag it to where you want it.
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    11-24-2015 03:48 PM
  24. John M Beauchemin's Avatar
    Apple iphones or iDevices are primarily targeted for noobs and even for geeks. So, taking noobs into consideration, they want a device that just works at the end of the day w/o a hitch. Even a kid can use an iDevice because of its ease of use. Windows on the other hand, is a little unfriendly with noobs, but after spending a little time with windows ecosystem, they prefer windows 75% of the time.
    I might have to disagree with this, at least from a generalized standpoint. In theory, I agree with you... but in practical application my 76 yr old Mother who is a complete computer dunce was able to pick up my L950 and txt message herself some picture attachments immediately, with only minimal coaching from me. It blew me away. She has an iPhone, and she barely knows how to do anything with it. I can't even get her to learn how to click and drag an object on her iMac, or drag a box to multi-select things. She just does not get it.

    Even she remarked how easy it was to use. Not only is she a noob, but she's an electronic dunce, so I am doubly impressed with Windows ease of use.
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    11-24-2015 03:59 PM
  25. plandyman's Avatar
    Thanks for the tips everyone! The more I use the phone and learn the tricks, the more I like it.

    Also, I will not go back to iPhone over a single app like snapchat. I like it but I can live without it.
    11-24-2015 04:14 PM
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