11-27-2015 12:41 AM
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  1. gmd2618z's Avatar
    Well, I ran out to the Microsoft store on Friday and excitedly plunked down for the 950. And I have owned 3 separate Lumia Windows phones since launch and have bought within each first week of release each time. Anyway, here's why in brief:

    - It gets strangely warm no matter what you do. Listen to music? Get's hot. Send some Txts? Gets hot.
    - The feel is just terrible. The case was designed to be replaced. The guy at the store couldn't have been pushier with the addon pack. Really a $35 charger? You mean a $6 dollar USB-C cable and the same dongle I already have in my car?
    - I make a call and the screen blacks out. Apparently this is a long standing issue with the OS and front camera / face detection. Never had it happen but it drives me nuts. If this is a ground up replacement it shouldn't still be in the OS/hardware.
    - OS pauses at times and then rubber-bands. Unacceptable considering they made the hardware AND OS.

    All told, compared to the 950 XL at $50 more with the continuum dock, I plan to return it and go ahead and preorder the 950 XL. There are things that are awesome .. I love the Iris scanner, although its 50/50 on working it seems. The screen is nice, and the glass is fantastic. Battery life is very good and the app store seems improved. The whole process of restoring from a backup was near seamless. And Cortana's updates are amazing. I was traveling today and it had my flight information, distance and travel info from where I was to the airport and weather where I was going. In addition, I found the voice recognition to work better than ever. Oh and this works with Nokia charging plates (hooray!)

    My only complaint in purchasing was the MS store had no way to help me activate the phone which was mind boggling to me. I mean, cmon guys Apple was doing that 10 years ago.

    So that's my review of the bad stuff. And yes I created an account since I needed to get this out somewhere. Been waiting for this for a long time, my 920 is feeling its age at this point and this was not the catharsis I was seeking. But, I do ~want~ a windows phone and the jazzy new mozo case but I'm going to wait for the XL at this point even if I'm now at the back of the line. Ah well.

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    11-22-2015 08:11 PM
  2. ven07's Avatar
    My only complaint in purchasing was the MS store had no way to help me activate the phone which was mind boggling to me
    Elaborate please?

    In any case sad to hear that you had so many issues :/ Did you try hard resetting once just to check?
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    11-22-2015 09:50 PM
  3. Roderick Aspiras's Avatar
    So can we confirm that the 950 does not have liquid cooling? I think MS just had to release this. I hope the big brother XL will be more favorable. From the looks of it the OS in the 950 is not polished enough. I updated to Windows 10 mobile and it has that .11 which the 950 does not have.
    11-22-2015 09:57 PM
  4. realwarder's Avatar
    So can we confirm that the 950 does not have liquid cooling? I think MS just had to release this. I hope the big brother XL will be more favorable. From the looks of it the OS in the 950 is not polished enough. I updated to Windows 10 mobile and it has that .11 which the 950 does not have.
    One other site (PocketNow?) in a podcast was basically saying that every 808 phone (Priv,950 etc.) got a lot hotter than expected and that it was s myth that processor is cooler. I'd expect the 950XL to be cooler due to liquid cooling and larger size being able to help dissipate the heat.
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    11-22-2015 10:05 PM
  5. ven07's Avatar
    Didn't know that the priv had heating issues :/
    11-22-2015 10:07 PM
  6. dakranii's Avatar
    So can we confirm that the 950 does not have liquid cooling? I think MS just had to release this. I hope the big brother XL will be more favorable. From the looks of it the OS in the 950 is not polished enough. I updated to Windows 10 mobile and it has that .11 which the 950 does not have.
    Daniel's review stated that it does not have liquid cooling, only the XL does.
    jmajid likes this.
    11-22-2015 10:08 PM
  7. spaulagain's Avatar
    Mine doesn't get overly hot. Compared to my 1020, it runs quite smoothly and cool.
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    11-22-2015 10:27 PM
  8. Skyway's Avatar
    One other site (PocketNow?) in a podcast was basically saying that every 808 phone (Priv,950 etc.) got a lot hotter than expected and that it was s myth that processor is cooler. I'd expect the 950XL to be cooler due to liquid cooling and larger size being able to help dissipate the heat.
    Not true, go look up benchmarks for both the 808 and 810. The 810 thermal throttles like crazy really fast, the 808 doesn't at all. It has stable clock speeds and consistent performance. There's a reason the 810 has liquid cooling, it needs it.
    11-22-2015 10:28 PM
  9. gmd2618z's Avatar
    I had to call and activate the phone myself. I would think that the MS store would have had some mechanism for me to activate my phone there.

    And yes I did do a hard reset.... and I didn't restore from backup the second time and the call blackout issue was still there. Still the same fix with the front camera activation, but that really is unacceptable at this stage. I am torn, it would be going back alone for the camera issue but I'm not replacing it because I just don't think its $600 of value compared to the 950 xl package.

    So product problems, bad price structure and a little buyers remorse. Hopefully I can change my mozo order to the XL.
    ven07 likes this.
    11-22-2015 10:54 PM
  10. Bjfcm's Avatar
    So can we confirm that the 950 does not have liquid cooling? I think MS just had to release this. I hope the big brother XL will be more favorable. From the looks of it the OS in the 950 is not polished enough. I updated to Windows 10 mobile and it has that .11 which the 950 does not have.
    Windows 10 Works awesome on my 3 day old 950. This was part of my reasoning for moving from my 1520 with the latest Insiders Preview.

    [ to the original thread poster]......

    I am very happy with the 950 in everyway. This is an Amazing phone and has worked flawless for me. I am sorry to hear your troubles dear friend(referring to the original thread poster) . I had issues with the 1520 ( went through 3 at launch) I didn't return it because its the phone I wanted .Is there a reason why you don't want to simply replace it ?
    11-22-2015 11:07 PM
  11. ashram's Avatar
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    - I make a call and the screen blacks out. Apparently this is a long standing issue with the OS and front camera / face detection. Never had it happen but it drives me nuts. If this is a ground up replacement it shouldn't still be in the OS/hardware..
    It's not an issue, my 920 and 830 do this. The screen shuts off if it detects something close, like the side of your head, but also if you cover the front sensors. It's by design.
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    11-22-2015 11:21 PM
  12. casab1anca's Avatar
    - It gets strangely warm no matter what you do. Listen to music? Get's hot. Send some Txts? Gets hot.
    Maybe just a defective unit? My 950 stays mostly cool and gets just a bit warm sometimes. A huge improvement from my 920 which used to get hot after a few minutes of doing anything.
    pallentx and editguy like this.
    11-22-2015 11:30 PM
  13. Phillip Kuzma's Avatar
    I waited forever for the 950 and ran out and got it on Saturday. Switched from S3. Within 8 hours I was ready to return it. This is not one operating system across multiple devices. It is multiple operating systems with the same name. I have many apps that I use on my Surface Pro 3 that do not work on the Lumia 950. Total fail for microsoft after all that waiting... I doubt I will ever try another windows phone. Had to pay $35 restocking fee to ATT. They burned me..

    Mine got hot as well for basic things.. like texting. And once I hooked up to all my email accounts the phone slowed down. But the lie of one operating system made me return it immediately...
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    11-22-2015 11:57 PM
  14. ashram's Avatar
    I waited forever for the 950 and ran out and got it on Saturday. Switched from S3. Within 8 hours I was ready to return it. This is not one operating system across multiple devices. It is multiple operating systems with the same name. I have many apps that I use on my Surface Pro 3 that do not work on the Lumia 950. Total fail for microsoft after all that waiting... I doubt I will ever try another windows phone. Had to pay $35 restocking fee to ATT. They burned me..

    Mine got hot as well for basic things.. like texting. And once I hooked up to all my email accounts the phone slowed down. But the lie of one operating system made me return it immediately...
    Not all app are universal, while MS is working on making all their apps universal, not all Devs are or have yet. So it's not a lie. It's using the same kernel as the desktop, Xbox and iot and it's up to developers to make their apps universal.
    editguy, JR Messina, ali80 and 1 others like this.
    11-23-2015 12:21 AM
  15. Charles Hinkle's Avatar
    Mine get warm during use but is very reliable and smooth. Sounds like you may have a defective one or one that needs a reset.
    11-23-2015 12:40 AM
  16. Prince Pusey's Avatar
    - It gets strangely warm no matter what you do. Listen to music? Get's hot. Send some Txts? Gets hot.
    - The feel is just terrible. The case was designed to be replaced. The guy at the store couldn't have been pushier with the addon pack. Really a $35 charger? You mean a $6 dollar USB-C cable and the same dongle I already have in my car?
    - I make a call and the screen blacks out. Apparently this is a long standing issue with the OS and front camera / face detection. Never had it happen but it drives me nuts. If this is a ground up replacement it shouldn't still be in the OS/hardware.
    - OS pauses at times and then rubber-bands. Unacceptable considering they made the hardware AND OS.

    So that's my review of the bad stuff. And yes I created an account since I needed to get this out somewhere. Been waiting for this for a long time, my 920 is feeling its age at this point and this was not the catharsis I was seeking. But, I do ~want~ a windows phone and the jazzy new mozo case but I'm going to wait for the XL at this point even if I'm now at the back of the line. Ah well.

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    So this is my view based on reviews I have seen so far. The specs is good but the OS is so buggy its a disgrace!
    Matt Bee and London Jr like this.
    11-23-2015 07:31 AM
  17. Skyway's Avatar
    I waited forever for the 950 and ran out and got it on Saturday. Switched from S3. Within 8 hours I was ready to return it. This is not one operating system across multiple devices. It is multiple operating systems with the same name. I have many apps that I use on my Surface Pro 3 that do not work on the Lumia 950. Total fail for microsoft after all that waiting... I doubt I will ever try another windows phone. Had to pay $35 restocking fee to ATT. They burned me..

    Mine got hot as well for basic things.. like texting. And once I hooked up to all my email accounts the phone slowed down. But the lie of one operating system made me return it immediately...
    You jumped the gun returning it. Mine was kinda the same way at first, laggy and was warm under light use and battery life wasn't that good. Fast forward two days, and everything is perfect. Smooth sailing. I hardly get any lag, the phone doesn't get near as hot, and the battery life is much much better. The phone apparently needs a little time to settle in and learn how you use it. I was debating on returning it too after initial impressions, but I gave it some time and now I love this phone.
    Last edited by Skyway; 11-23-2015 at 10:02 AM.
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    11-23-2015 09:14 AM
  18. feereless's Avatar
    You jumped the gun returning it. Mine was kinda the same way at first, laggy and was warm under light use and battery life wasn't that good. Fast forward two days, and everything is perfect. Smooth sailing. I hardly get any lag, the phone doesn't get near as hot, and the battery life is much much better. The phone apparently needs a little time to settle in and learn how you use it. I was debating on returning it too after initial impressions, but I gave it some time and now I love this phone.

    Im guessing its cortana thats making it all buggy. gathering your lifestyle and data for initial loading/optimizing. after she and bing are done gathering initial data, maybe thats when it stops getting buggy? Plus its probably trying to download all your contacts from facebook and what not too. who knows. glad to hear it goes away after a couple days. waiting on my 950 XL to come :)
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    11-23-2015 12:18 PM
  19. Daniel Rubino's Avatar
    So can we confirm that the 950 does not have liquid cooling? I think MS just had to release this. I hope the big brother XL will be more favorable. From the looks of it the OS in the 950 is not polished enough. I updated to Windows 10 mobile and it has that .11 which the 950 does not have.
    Holy...will you guys drop this liquid cooling thing? It's been stated a thousand times that only the XL has it because 808 does not get that warm.
    11-23-2015 12:49 PM
  20. n7slc's Avatar
    Mine gets hot enough to be uncomfortable and battery life is horrible. I'm going to be exchanging it today in the hopes that I've got a defective unit. Ordered a cheap $39 640 to get me by just incase the 950 doesn't work out. (I hope it does tho, I love the phone otherwise!)
    11-23-2015 12:57 PM
  21. ashram's Avatar
    Holy...will you guys drop this liquid cooling thing? It's been stated a thousand times that only the XL has it because 808 does not get that warm.
    i don't think people ever will.... it will be asked over and over again, because of the way MS announced it.
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    11-23-2015 12:58 PM
  22. uselessrobot's Avatar
    I'm on the 5th day with my Lumia 950. All-in-all, it's not a bad phone. Unlike most, I like the design and the OS hasn't really giving me major problems. It's mostly just the ongoing stream of annoyances, and occasional issues. Nevertheless, the entire time I've been wrestling with the idea of returning the phone; the Nexus 5X being the likely replacement.

    I realized that, had I never owned a Windows Phone I'd probably think the 950 and Windows 10 is pretty good. Assuming, of course, you approach the platform with an open mind and ignore the app store situation.

    The catch is that I've stuck with the OS for 3 years and I'm aware of the history prior to that. Microsoft is starting over for the third time in 5 years. While I realize that it's not a true reset, from the perspective of consumers and developers it nearly is. In that time both Android and iOS have seen mostly incremental updates. Those updates haven't brought about upheaval, relatively speaking, and have allowed Google and Apple to focus on refinement. Not that they're perfect, by any stretch, but they're a lot further along and offer more robustness in a few key areas.

    So I can't escape the feeling that I'm back in 2012 with my Lumia 920. While I'm confident that Microsoft will work to improve Windows 10 I don't want to be stuck in the same situation a year or two from now. It's very tough, because I still believe that the OS than the competition in many ways. The competition, however, has become increasingly alluring.
    11-23-2015 01:00 PM
  23. feereless's Avatar
    I'm on the 5th day with my Lumia 950. All-in-all, it's not a bad phone. Unlike most, I like the design and the OS hasn't really giving me major problems. It's mostly just the ongoing stream of annoyances, and occasional issues. Nevertheless, the entire time I've been wrestling with the idea of returning the phone; the Nexus 5X being the likely replacement.

    I realized that, had I never owned a Windows Phone I'd probably think the 950 and Windows 10 is pretty good. Assuming, of course, you approach the platform with an open mind and ignore the app store situation.

    The catch is that I've stuck with the OS for 3 years and I'm aware of the history prior to that. Microsoft is starting over for the third time in 5 years. While I realize that it's not a true reset, from the perspective of consumers and developers it nearly is. In that time both Android and iOS have seen mostly incremental updates. Those updates haven't brought about upheaval, relatively speaking, and have allowed Google and Apple to focus on refinement. Not that they're perfect, by any stretch, but they're a lot further along and offer more robustness in a few key areas.

    So I can't escape the feeling that I'm back in 2012 with my Lumia 920. While I'm confident that Microsoft will work to improve Windows 10 I don't want to be stuck in the same situation a year or two from now. It's very tough, because I still believe that the OS than the competition in many ways. The competition, however, has become increasingly alluring.
    the only thing i can tell you is that the hardware is there. its the software thats the current issue... Software is easily fixable, hardware is not. i give it 2 months for msft to get it in gear
    11-23-2015 02:48 PM
  24. EMINENT 1's Avatar
    The competition, however, has become increasingly alluring.
    Maybe if you're using a mashup of different devices and stores. Probably more so for some than others. However, not to me as i'm happy they've achieved this task of one core os i've been waiting on for years. This is the same vision they've had since 8, but it just took them forever.

    The only alluring thing for the other camps are apps. Apps I don't need or use. The benefits of one os and ecosystem on my pc/phone and Surface FAR outweigh any pretty little metal on a phone and some silly disappearing message app. W10 will be on 1 billion devices one day and that number alone should be enough for devs to concede into a bit of coding for a mobile counterpart.

    Those facts alone are enough for me to consider the others a non-starter. I have no intention of using a separate laptop/tablet when I can have one, so why bother with that money draining uselessness on a phone that has no ties to my pc/tablet?
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    11-23-2015 03:03 PM
  25. jeffaz76's Avatar
    My 950 was getting hot the first few days. It seems to have cooled off. Turning the screen brightness down helped. There might also be an issue with 5ghz wifi. Switching to my 2.4ghz may have helped. Hard to tell though, because might just be the device settling down. I had some negative thoughts at first and returning it crossed my mind because of heat and other things. Might as well give it as much time as you are given to return it, unless it is unbearable. There is enough good going on with the 950 that it is worth seeing if the issues work themselves out in a few days. It's gotten better every day and now I'm very positive about the device the more I use it.
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    11-23-2015 03:24 PM
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