12-01-2015 09:43 PM
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  1. Skyway's Avatar
    They should make them in the states and quit using 31 cents a month labor. I wouldn't care about your phone quality either
    If they did that, they would have to charge $1500 due to higher manufacturing costs.
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    11-29-2015 10:51 AM
  2. John M Beauchemin's Avatar
    Plug in aux and play music you were just listening to, it won't work. Have to start track over. Happens sometimes with Bluetooth as well like using lg tones or my nokia 360 speaker or in my car.
    This happens to me with Audible audiobooks. Super annoying. When I'm on the go and listening to an audiobook, I often switch from headset to aux audio input to my trucks stereo and back. Not only do I have to physically go into the app to resume play the book rather than just hitting the button on my headset, but also the audible app hates it when you disconnect an audio cable, and it basically locks up for almost a full minute. I usually force quit it and restart the app.
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    11-29-2015 01:21 PM
  3. Jazmac's Avatar
    If they did that, they would have to charge $1500 due to higher manufacturing costs.
    I think that a major exaggeration but the cost should be higher as will the quality.
    Send these things overseas for 9 year olds in a factory to be able to build and you get what you get. Beyond that, MS doesn't yet have that market share from the sale of phones to be able to build flagships as other companies can, but the hardware is here. Besides, I don't think the intention is for these devices to keep the backs they came with anyway. I think these backs are temporary so you could purchase an replacement like the ones being sold by Mozo.
    11-29-2015 04:16 PM
  4. Jack Neill's Avatar
    I haven't picked up a 950 yet but I'll share this. I have never, ever activated a Windows Phone without doing a hard reset first. New or used, always do a factory reset. I learned this with WinMo and later, Android.
    What does this do on a brand new phone? I am just wondering..
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    11-29-2015 05:05 PM
  5. John M Beauchemin's Avatar
    I think that a major exaggeration but the cost should be higher as will the quality.
    Send these things overseas for 9 year olds in a factory to be able to build and you get what you get. Beyond that, MS doesn't yet have that market share from the sale of phones to be able to build flagships as other companies can, but the hardware is here. Besides, I don't think the intention is for these devices to keep the backs they came with anyway. I think these backs are temporary so you could purchase an replacement like the ones being sold by Mozo.
    I think the assumption that somehow Americans would be better at mass assembling electronics to not be based on any actual, factual data. I'm a big fan of buying the work of American craftsman, and paying more in general for the work of an artisan over a robot or an amateur... but a bunch of minimum wage clock-punching American teenagers are not going to be able to glue pcboards into a plastic shell any better than some minimum wage clock-punching Asian teenager would.

    If you truly want a hand-made phone assembled in the US by an artisan named Bob, you're going to pay a heck of a lot more than triple the price of an overseas factory.
    11-29-2015 05:20 PM
  6. Jazmac's Avatar
    I think the assumption that somehow Americans would be better at mass assembling electronics to not be based on any actual, factual data. I'm a big fan of buying the work of American craftsman, and paying more in general for the work of an artisan over a robot or an amateur... but a bunch of minimum wage clock-punching American teenagers are not going to be able to glue pcboards into a plastic shell any better than some minimum wage clock-punching Asian teenager would.

    If you truly want a hand-made phone assembled in the US by an artisan named Bob, you're going to pay a heck of a lot more than triple the price of an overseas factory.
    LOL. Artisan named Bob. haha.

    Anyway, I'm not a huge fan of having to spend more but this is how we ended up with Wal-marts dumping cheaply made garbage from around the world. The point is, quality costs money. Yes, get bang for your buck, but cheaply assembled products gets you threads like this one. If you want a better made product, you better put that product out of the reach of the lowest bidder.
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    11-29-2015 05:47 PM
  7. NadaAddict's Avatar
    I think that a major exaggeration but the cost should be higher as will the quality.
    Send these things overseas for 9 year olds in a factory to be able to build and you get what you get. Beyond that, MS doesn't yet have that market share from the sale of phones to be able to build flagships as other companies can, but the hardware is here. Besides, I don't think the intention is for these devices to keep the backs they came with anyway. I think these backs are temporary so you could purchase an replacement like the ones being sold by Mozo.
    iPhones are built in China for pennies....

    Posted via the Windows Central App for Android
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    11-29-2015 07:27 PM
  8. John M Beauchemin's Avatar
    LOL. Artisan named Bob. haha.

    Anyway, I'm not a huge fan of having to spend more but this is how we ended up with Wal-marts dumping cheaply made garbage from around the world. The point is, quality costs money. Yes, get bang for your buck, but cheaply assembled products gets you threads like this one. If you want a better made product, you better put that product out of the reach of the lowest bidder.
    The point is just because a product is more expensive to produce in the US does not mean that it is of a higher quality. Quality costs money, but spending more money does not necessarily get you more quality. Sometimes, it's just a waste of money.
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    11-29-2015 07:46 PM
  9. John M Beauchemin's Avatar
    This happens to me with Audible audiobooks.
    Just did a test, and it's happening with the Audiobooked app, too. I think the act of unplugging a device is causing the native player to crash.
    11-29-2015 07:50 PM
  10. n7slc's Avatar
    Hey Jaz, they're made in Vietnam, not China.

    On that note, I've continued to have heating issues using and battery drain on mine after getting a replacement. Not as bad as the first one, but still not acceptable. I'm hoping a software update will fix it...and soon.
    11-29-2015 08:34 PM
  11. Jazmac's Avatar
    iPhones are built in China for pennies....

    Posted via the Windows Central App for Android
    Show me where you see they are made for pennies.
    11-29-2015 08:45 PM
  12. willied's Avatar
    iPhones are built in China for pennies....

    Posted via the Windows Central App for Android
    iPhones cost around $200 for Apple to make and they of course sell them for $650 (or higher depending on the model and storage).
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    11-29-2015 09:42 PM
  13. Jazmac's Avatar
    iPhones cost around $200 for Apple to make and they of course sell them for $650 (or higher depending on the model and storage).
    Show me how you know that? Your guestimate is higher than the "pennies" NadaAddict is talking about. So, either neither of you know or you are both wrong.
    11-29-2015 11:26 PM
  14. SkullyHB's Avatar
    I've had a few of the symptoms that the OP had, but not as many

    - The battery life is acceptable. Much better than my 1020. I can make it through a full day on a charge, although I usually put it on a charger when I'm at my desk anyways. My 1020 had to be plugged in every time I sat down somewhere, and then it just barely made it through the day.
    - About once a day the lock screen informs me that my phone has restarted on its own
    - Three times now I've had to restart the phone with the power & volume buttons because it's locked up. In all cases it's been idle when that happened.
    - Odd issues with the Groove player over Bluetooth. Some random buffering (slightly more than my 1020). Also my car stereo keeps thinking it goes into 'pause' state, but the music keeps playing.
    - Tapping on a text notification sends me to a 'resuming' screen.

    Otherwise everything I've used seems fine. And so far I've had no issues with the camera app. I assume all of these issues can be fixed with an os update. I know there was a ton of testing but in reality the phone is only 2 weeks old, so there were bound to be other issues once the phone & os were released into the wild.
    Joe Dubya likes this.
    11-30-2015 11:18 AM
  15. ashram's Avatar
    Show me how you know that? Your guestimate is higher than the "pennies" NadaAddict http://forums.windowscentral.com/ima...post-right.png is talking about. So, either neither of you know or you are both wrong.
    a simple google/bing should turn up current cost of materials for an iphone.... now the costs have always been estimated based on bulk purchasing the individual parts since apple (well no one) will reveal the cost to build an iphone.... so the numbers can be higher or lower, but, since you seem to think that you know everything based on the stereo-typical comments you have made, i decided to give you ONE link to start.... it's not hard to find this info, so if you want to claim that someone is wrong, then research to PROVE them wrong. Don't just sit there and say everyone is wrong unless they can prove it to you. I am pretty sure you are capable of making your point without generalizations and stereotypes.

    Estimated iPhone 6s build cost pegged at $211.50, iPhone 6s Plus at $236
    InsGadget and willied like this.
    11-30-2015 12:41 PM
  16. Steve WWW's Avatar
    I haven't picked up a 950 yet but I'll share this. I have never, ever activated a Windows Phone without doing a hard reset first. New or used, always do a factory reset. I learned this with WinMo and later, Android.
    Thanks for the tip. But why? Surely performing a factory reset on a phone fresh from the factory is redundant -- what sort of problem(s) does performing a factory reset on a fresh phone avoid?
    Joe Dubya likes this.
    11-30-2015 04:46 PM
  17. uselessrobot's Avatar
    On that note, I've continued to have heating issues using and battery drain on mine after getting a replacement. Not as bad as the first one, but still not acceptable. I'm hoping a software update will fix it...and soon.
    You need to give it more than a few days. It took me a week and a half for battery life to stabilize and the improvement was massive. I took it off the charger at 8am this morning and as of 5pm it's nearly 72%. This is with the phone connected to my Band, using Telegram on and off throughout the day and roughly 30 minutes playing Spiderman.

    Heating is no longer the issue it was on the first few days. The phone still gets warm from time to time, mostly during gaming. It no longer heats up when messing around with the OS. In any case, it's nothing compared to how hot my old 920 got and it cools back down surprisingly quickly.
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    11-30-2015 04:58 PM
  18. fatclue_98's Avatar
    Thanks for the tip. But why? Surely performing a factory reset on a phone fresh from the factory is redundant -- what sort of problem(s) does performing a factory reset on a fresh phone avoid?
    Ever since I started doing that, I've avoided issues with apps not loading and accounts not syncing properly. It's always a good idea to reset after loading an OS for the first time, regardless of which vendor, and that includes a fresh factory load.
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    11-30-2015 06:55 PM
  19. Jazmac's Avatar
    a simple google/bing should turn up current cost of materials for an iphone.... now the costs have always been estimated based on bulk purchasing the individual parts since apple (well no one) will reveal the cost to build an iphone.... so the numbers can be higher or lower, but, since you seem to think that you know everything based on the stereo-typical comments you have made, i decided to give you ONE link to start.... it's not hard to find this info, so if you want to claim that someone is wrong, then research to PROVE them wrong. Don't just sit there and say everyone is wrong unless they can prove it to you. I am pretty sure you are capable of making your point without generalizations and stereotypes.

    Estimated iPhone 6s build cost pegged at $211.50, iPhone 6s Plus at $236
    You can't just say stuff and not be able to back it up. As far as your next point, been there done that. For some reason, you assume I know nothing about a search engine. Believe me when I tell you, this thread ain't my first rodeo. So no, I am not going to be chasing every outrageous claim on this or any forum around the internet. All you've discovered and posted are speculation. The kind of stuff you might accept but again, this ain't my first rodeo. Even Cook in the story you posted said: "During Apple's quarterly conference call for the second quarter, Cook said he has never seen an estimated bill of materials breakdown "that's even close to accurate." Who would be in the best position to know the materials cost then Tim Cook? So I'll stand on my earlier comments and with Tim Cook. Which is why I call BS to anyone talking about what these phones cost to build. Sure, they cost less than they are being sold for, but there is a reason and that's business. You/We simply do not know detail on that level. . Moreover, if you are only talking materials list, that isn't even remotely close what it costs to build these phones.
    11-30-2015 08:28 PM
  20. willied's Avatar
    You can't just say stuff and not be able to back it up. As far as your next point, been there done that. For some reason, you assume I know nothing about a search engine. Believe me when I tell you, this thread ain't my first rodeo. So no, I am not going to be chasing every outrageous claim on this or any forum around the internet. All you've discovered and posted are speculation. The kind of stuff you might accept but again, this ain't my first rodeo. Even Cook in the story you posted said: "During Apple's quarterly conference call for the second quarter, Cook said he has never seen an estimated bill of materials breakdown "that's even close to accurate." Who would be in the best position to know the materials cost then Tim Cook? So I'll stand on my earlier comments and with Tim Cook. Which is why I call BS to anyone talking about what these phones cost to build. Sure, they cost less than they are being sold for, but there is a reason and that's business. You/We simply do not know detail on that level. . Moreover, if you are only talking materials list, that isn't even remotely close what it costs to build these phones.
    The point is that they cost a lot more than "pennies" to make.
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    11-30-2015 09:23 PM
  21. NadaAddict's Avatar
    Show me where you see they are made for pennies.
    Sorry about that, Captain Literal....

    Posted via the Windows Central App for Android
    12-01-2015 12:30 AM
  22. Jazmac's Avatar
    Sorry about that, Captain Literal....

    Posted via the Windows Central App for Android
    ROTFLMAO!!
    Have a good day fam.
    12-01-2015 09:44 AM
  23. uselessrobot's Avatar
    Those estimates only ever take into account the price of components. They don't factor in all the other things that go into producing and marketing a device; and without insider information it would be a total guess anyway. Even with cheap overseas labor it still costs a lot of money to not only pay workers, but set up tooling and keep the facility running. Additionally, marketing is a considerable expense and Apple spends more on that than most. Then you've got all the staff in Cupertino who've worked on the phone to one degree or another. Sure, research and development is amortized over the life of the phone, but it is a massive expense nonetheless.

    At the end of the day I wouldn't be surprised if profit on each phone is in the range of 10%. The one key advantage with Apple is than an iPhone costs the same on day 365 as it did on day 1, whereas everyone else sees significant price drops. So at the end of the day, volume is still important.
    12-01-2015 11:32 AM
  24. ashram's Avatar
    You can't just say stuff and not be able to back it up. As far as your next point, been there done that. For some reason, you assume I know nothing about a search engine. Believe me when I tell you, this thread ain't my first rodeo. So no, I am not going to be chasing every outrageous claim on this or any forum around the internet. All you've discovered and posted are speculation. The kind of stuff you might accept but again, this ain't my first rodeo. Even Cook in the story you posted said: "During Apple's quarterly conference call for the second quarter, Cook said he has never seen an estimated bill of materials breakdown "that's even close to accurate." Who would be in the best position to know the materials cost then Tim Cook? So I'll stand on my earlier comments and with Tim Cook. Which is why I call BS to anyone talking about what these phones cost to build. Sure, they cost less than they are being sold for, but there is a reason and that's business. You/We simply do not know detail on that level. . Moreover, if you are only talking materials list, that isn't even remotely close what it costs to build these phones.
    thing is, Cook didn't say if it was higher or lower. Also i didn't assume you didn't know how to search, but you should as I see nothing backing up your specific claims either. It's kind of selfish and one sided to proclaim something as true and demand others to prove you wrong while at the same time not proving why you are right.

    It's rare for a manufacturer to give out the cost to build numbers.... much less with R&D numbers, which DO factor into the cost.. Either way, this thread has taken a turn in the wrong direction... so unless you can back up your claims with specific numbers, then there is no point in carrying on this pointless argument.
    12-01-2015 12:04 PM
  25. Bri D's Avatar
    My 950 has had very good battery life on par with 8.1. To this day, I've never had it crash. Very satisfied with it. Sorry you're having so many problems. Perhaps yours is in need of a hard reset or its defective.
    Patiently waiting for your next post that describes all of the issues you have been experiencing. Anyone that uses this phone enough will eventually experience issues
    12-01-2015 04:21 PM
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