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  1. skstrials's Avatar
    I have never ever experienced a burn in issue that people are talking about here.

    I have had tons of AMOlEd screens before.
    1. Nokia N8 for 36 months+ - still no burn in to this date.
    2. Samsung Galaxy S3 for 24 months - no burn in.
    3 BlackBerry Q10 for 18 months - still no burn in.

    In fact I prefer the AMOLED screens over the LCD ones.
    The color is more vibrant meaning I can put the brightness way down for energy saving as well as being easier on my eyes since the brightness does not need to be as high.

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    12-05-2015 10:28 PM
  2. Hildr's Avatar
    I've got my new 950xl for 3 days now and I can do a quick comparison between the 950's AMOLED screen and the 1520's IPS one:
    -AMOLED has pure black BUT, the screen itself (not the glass) is far more reflective. So when there is light, the blacks have blue/green reflects, and so, are not really better than the clear black IPS. In a dark places, there are just without comparison, cause there are just deep black, where IPS is glowing grey.
    - AMOLED turns blue-green on white screen whith a 20-30 angle from normal, ips glow is far less annoying. That's boring cause on some image too, the blue tint appears and I generally look my phone with a 20 angle, bottom is white and top blueish.
    - AMOLED has more vibrant colours, allowing to set the brightness to 30%. (but automatic brightness doesn't seem to work on my 950xl). I enjoy it more than what I thought first.
    - on the amoled there are indigo shadows following grey-like icons/images when scrolling (typically on photo app when photos are not loaded) like reverse ghosting, and white text on black background slightly turns brownish during the scroll.
    - the IPS screen of my 920 "burned" to brown in 1 year. The IPS screen of my 1520 got 3 small bright spots I can only see on white screen, but still exist, they appeared after 16months of use. So I don't think lcd have better life time than AMOLED.

    AMOLED are cheaper to produce, so we will see more and more of them on mobile. We just have to get used to that. Both technologies have pros and cons anyway.
    12-07-2015 02:49 AM
  3. a5cent's Avatar
    ^ I wonder how much of that is actually generally related to AMOLED, rather than just being particular to the display in the 950. For example, I can't confirm an AMOLED screen to be more reflective (blue/green), nor can I confirm wanting to turn down brightness more than I would on an LCD screen. Selecting a less saturated color profile is the better approach IMHO, as I prefer to retain the brightness of whites (on a dark themed device only of course. Using the light theme generally hurts my eyes).

    AMOLED screens are also a lot thinner than LCD screens, which is another benefit.
    Last edited by a5cent; 12-07-2015 at 11:19 AM. Reason: spelling
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    12-07-2015 03:08 AM
  4. Hildr's Avatar
    +1 for thickness, I forgot this one.
    In fact, about the brightness and the crisp colors, I don't really know, even by playing with saturation, I didn't succeed to have the same colors than the one on the 1520. And for the brightness, I think it's more that the Amoled on the 950 allows to have far more brightness than the lcd on the 1520. I set the brightness at 36% on the 950 to have the same average brightness than my 1520 that is at 70% (the two in automatic mode).
    About the reflexion, I talk about the fact we can the border between the screen and the bezel when the screen is off, whith external light, not the global reflection when you're using the phone outdoor. The 1520 was good for this, like the iPhone 5S with a front face almost black on all the surface when screen is off. The iPhone 6 is more reflective in comparaison if I remember well, but I didn't play a lot with it to see it in different lights situation. In the other hand, the one on G Note 4 is really really reflective, and also amoled. Wikipedia seem to say the same thing about the oled technology.
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    12-07-2015 06:57 AM
  5. astondg's Avatar
    Yes please do check with the settings. They are releasing their flagship device after a long time their display must be calibrated pretty nicely. And if my memory serves me right , the colour profile is set as"VIVID" (adds punch to the colours) initially, so that's why you saw the oversaturated colours on the in-store display phones.😊
    I have my 950 now. The default colour profile is Standard and with this profile I would still say that the colours are oversaturated, definitely pretty but not what I think is accurate. I've also spent about 1/2 an hour now playing with the 'advanced' sliders to try to get the whites looking white like on my 920 and I have so far failed. No matter what I do I end up with a tint of some colour and it's made more difficult because it changes with display brightness (low brightness has a very red tint), ambient lighting, and viewing angle. The LCD on my 920 was a lot more consistent. And my 920 isn't even an amazing display.

    On the positive side I got to use Glance last night while my 950 was charging and it looked awesome in a dark room with the red 'night mode' and no LCD backlight to taint the experience.
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    12-07-2015 03:43 PM
  6. InsGadget's Avatar
    According to this (Microsoft Lumia 950 review: Legendary Edition - page 3 - GSMArena.com), the 950 has extremely accurate colors.
    12-07-2015 04:24 PM
  7. Skyway's Avatar
    According to this (Microsoft Lumia 950 review: Legendary Edition - page 3 - GSMArena.com), the 950 has extremely accurate colors.
    Yup, I read that the other day. I was really surprised by how accurate the display was. So for all those saying AMOLED panels oversaturate colors, the 950 seems to be the exception.
    12-07-2015 08:13 PM
  8. astondg's Avatar
    According to this (Microsoft Lumia 950 review: Legendary Edition - page 3 - GSMArena.com), the 950 has extremely accurate colors.
    Yup, I read that the other day. I was really surprised by how accurate the display was. So for all those saying AMOLED panels oversaturate colors, the 950 seems to be the exception.
    It looks like they tested brightness, sunlight contrast and DeltaE but not how well the screen matches the sRGB spec, which is what would show up colour saturation.
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    12-07-2015 11:59 PM
  9. a5cent's Avatar
    Yup, I read that the other day. I was really surprised by how accurate the display was. So for all those saying AMOLED panels oversaturate colors, the 950 seems to be the exception.
    Colors are a difficult thing. It's ultimately more about personal preference than color accuracy. For photo editing or watching movies, I do appreciate color accuracy. I try to setup my display to a color temperature around 6000K for those purposes. For office work I don't want that though. There I prefer a display set to around 8000K (unnaturally cold/hard white), with high contrast but lower brightness. Astodg may be similar, and thereby be trying to turn an accurate but warm 6000K white into a less accurate 8000K white. What constitutes a good display is often very subjective, which is why it's good that we have both LCD and OLED displays.
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    12-08-2015 12:16 AM
  10. astondg's Avatar
    Colors are a difficult thing. It's ultimately more about personal preference than color accuracy. For photo editing or watching movies, I do appreciate color accuracy. I try to setup my display to a color temperature around 6000K for those purposes. For office work I don't want that though. There I prefer a display set to around 8000K (unnaturally cold/hard white), with high contrast but lower brightness. Astodg may be similar, and thereby be trying to turn an accurate but warm 6000K white into a less accurate 8000K white. What constitutes a good display is often very subjective, which is why it's good that we have both LCD and OLED displays.
    I can understand that where there is a source, like a photo or video. I want the display to reproduce that how the producer intended and that's where colour standards and calibration are important. But for things that originate in the purely digital world, like the text on the lock screen, that has no 'source', it would be defined in code as a 'pure' white like RGB(255,255,255).

    Now I guess what constitutes a 'pure' white is highly subjective as you say but if I pick something in the real world that is reasonably white (at least to me), like the porcelain in my sink basin for example, and compare the lock screen text from my 920, Surface Pro 3, IPS desktop monitor & 950 to that then the 920, SP3 & IPS monitor are all pretty close but the 950 looks quite yellow. I can play with the colour profile on the 950 but that just seems to send me through tints of red, green & blue and it really screws with the other colour reproduction. Then there's also the problem that if I move under different lighting, like from a warm halogen to LED or outside to natural sunlight, or I change my viewing angle then the whites on the 950 look different in each setting. I'm sure the LCDs do as well it seems less pronounced, to the point that I don't really notice.

    I'll state here that I'm not saying the 950 has a bad display, from what I've seen so far it looks very crisp, the colours are vivid and certainly look pretty, the brightness is great, etc.
    12-08-2015 04:53 AM
  11. Skyway's Avatar
    It looks like they tested brightness, sunlight contrast and DeltaE but not how well the screen matches the sRGB spec, which is what would show up colour saturation.
    Ok then look here. Scroll down to Display Measurements and Quality and click on Color Charts.

    Microsoft Lumia 950 Review
    12-08-2015 11:52 AM
  12. astondg's Avatar
    Ok then look here. Scroll down to Display Measurements and Quality and click on Color Charts.

    Microsoft Lumia 950 Review
    The 'problem' is evident in that test, see the colour gamut chart. The display produces colours far outside the sRGB spec, particularly greens. Compare that to the Surface Pro 4 LCD which is much closer to the spec (although do note that the Lumia 950 graph is CIE 1931 & the SP4 is 1976 so they aren't directly comparable): http://www.displaymate.com/Gamut_21.html

    The OLED display produces some great colours, that's not the problem, but when you're trying to reproduce a source like a photo the colours are a bit too vibrant compared to the source. The colours may also be uneven, as that chat shows a bias towards green.

    Now in saying all that, I've had a 950 for the last 2 days and the general colour accuracy is fine for me. In fact I'm very happy with the display except for 2 things, 1. it's about 1/2 an inch too big and 2. the (subjective) whites.
    Last edited by astondg; 12-08-2015 at 03:15 PM.
    12-08-2015 03:01 PM
  13. astondg's Avatar
    I've been using my 950 for about a week now and without the side by sides with other phones I'm accustomed to the whites. I'm running brightness at 75% with auto turned on & a custom color profile. The brighter the screen the whiter it seems.

    I'll still miss the whites I prefer from an LCD, but mostly only if I put my 950 down next to an iPhone or Nexus 5X. But the 950 obviously has a really nice screen in terms of PPI and those colours really are vibrant. Glance it's also awesome finally and unexpected things like the black background and minimalist white contrast on the dialer look really good in a way only OLED could.
    12-12-2015 08:35 PM
  14. Dewg's Avatar
    If LCD is better and Apple is better for using LCD on the iPhone: Apple using OLED for future iPhones
    12-30-2015 10:53 AM
  15. dashrendar's Avatar
    If the only thing you're worried about with OLED is screen burn-in then there is nothing to worry about.

    I only had slight screen burn-in on my Samsung Galaxy S2 when I used to listen to music leaving the screen on all the time with the brightness set to 100% and the only thing changing on the screen was the album art (all the controls and frames were static). The burn-in happened where the Play/Pause button is and I could only see it on all blue screens (e.g. Facebook splash screen).

    If you tend to do something crazy like that, then yeah it's a concern. Otherwise, you're good to go.

    Just remember that for burn-in to occur, you have to have maximum brightness, static screen (or certain pixels) and a number of hours duration. Otherwise, there is nothing to worry about.

    The L950 screen is AWESOME.
    12-30-2015 11:27 AM
  16. uselessrobot's Avatar
    The 'problem' is evident in that test, see the colour gamut chart. The display produces colours far outside the sRGB spec, particularly greens. Compare that to the Surface Pro 4 LCD which is much closer to the spec (although do note that the Lumia 950 graph is CIE 1931 & the SP4 is 1976 so they aren't directly comparable): DisplayMate Microsoft Surface Pro 3 Color Gamut
    That's not how color gamut works. That triangle depicts the extent of displayable colors. The goal isn't to match the standard, but that the display's gamut at a minimum includes the sRGB gamut. Any display that extends beyond the sRGB standard is actually better. Look up any high quality display with good color reproduction and you'll see that the gamut exceeds sRGB.

    So, according to that chart the Surface Pro 3 is slightly weak in reproducing reds. It may still better than many displays on the market, but really all you can say about it is that it matches the sRGB standard.

    Of course, other factors come in to play, like calibration. In stores displays are almost always bluish and have brightness cranked up. This is done because they tend to stand out for the typical, uninformed consumer. So people will routinely complain about a warmer display even though it's actually reproducing colors more accurately.

    The fact that some AMOLEDs are over-saturated, like all Samsung displays, is strictly a decision by the manufacturer to make colors pop. It's not a deficiency of the display itself.
    12-30-2015 11:30 AM
  17. areithropos's Avatar
    I happened to stumble upon an article regarding AMOLED displays which seem to reflect perfectly my own experience with them. It is a bit old but still it seems to stay true.

    Mobile Raptor: IPS versus OLED: Power consumption and power saving tips
    04-29-2016 01:11 AM
  18. Robert Novak1's Avatar
    I know that many are liking the AMOLED displays, but I just can't understand, why on a expensive phone like this (at least in Denmark), that Microsoft decided to use such a horrible display?

    I mean, after so many years, AMOLED STILL does burn in. I want my 600 USD phone to last much longer than a year - and usually from 8-15 months, you can see horrendous burn in.

    I really like my Lumia 640, and pre ordered Lumia 950 a while ago, KNOWING that it has AMOLED.

    But now, that we are close to launch, I might cancel my pre order, for that reason alone, that I know the screen will be **** within 8-15 months.

    Why on earth didn't they just go with a LCD screen so we could use this phone for years? I'm not the usual "pick up a flagship phone and then upgrade next year", so a AMOLED screen is a bad choice for me.

    I also hear people saying "AMOLED has less burn in than before", yet I can google that 930 suffered from burn ins, and even the new Samsung Galaxy S6 has already pictures of burn ins.
    I have a Lumia 810 with AMOLED and even after 3.5 years the display is still pristine.... no burn in

    1. DON'T crank the brightness to 100%
    2. Set your screen to time out in 1 minute...
    04-29-2016 01:26 AM
  19. broar94's Avatar
    I saw that A5cent(and probably others as well) is using 6000K display for office purpose mm really? why do you want to look at your monitor with such blue light? It's better for your eyes to see a warmer colour, probably reduce that white light and eye strain(esp when it's something youre going to see for 5hours+ everyday) as well :-) . Use F.lux, it will automatically set as per time of the day, you'll get used to warmer cast after a while. It's definitely worth it in the long run.

    I've been using L730 in the last 18 months, it has OLED display. I love the Blacks it shows, and i prefer to using darker wallpapers all the time. There's a burn-in only on the bottom of the screen(where the software keys are displayed), if your phone is like mine I'd recommend you to swipe up and down frequently to avoid this area burn-in. It doesnt affect me as I'd see the keys only on very close observation in a bright colour screen(with navigation keys swiped down).
    04-29-2016 02:29 AM
  20. coolibop's Avatar
    Lumia 1020 for 2.5 yrs and zero burn in here... I usually have phone shut off screen after 30s and charge with clock on glance.
    05-10-2016 11:23 AM
  21. Dexter_Morgan9's Avatar
    Maybe I'm in the minority, but I've always preferred LCD displays. Not because of burn in, but because they are more accurate to me. I would rather have a picture look like it should in real life (some colors are dull, not everything has to have amoled POP), and the battery life savings have been tested and shown to be around 6% of a full charge while the phone was left on a black home screen. Actual usage between LCD and amoled displays ended up being around 3% battery savings for amoled. Not enough to matter.
    05-10-2016 09:48 PM
  22. P1ng0fDeath's Avatar
    I used to be afraid of burn in, but after owning a 930 for over a year my screen is still intact. Granted, I don't "abuse" it a lot, like using the phone for hours straight and setting max levels of brightness... The absolutely deep blacks and beautiful colors are worth it, but I'd still pick LCD over it just to be sure.
    05-10-2016 10:12 PM
  23. areithropos's Avatar
    ... and the battery life savings have been tested and shown to be around 6% of a full charge while the phone was left on a black home screen. ...
    Who says that? At least the test chart referred to here states that it does not matter much what an LCD display shows whereas it matters with an AMOLED one. Also Wikipedia states it and I am very sure a quick net search would reveal other sources stating similar things.
    Or did I get your post wrong and you were speaking of AMOLED displays?
    05-11-2016 03:31 PM
  24. hprvez's Avatar
    It's simple, they're cheaper than a true high quality LCD, like the 60Hz IPS LCD with very low latency the 920 had, best display panel ever seen in Windows phones. Now if you reallty want a high quality panel you have to go with Apple phones (guess what? They use IPS LCD), and of course you pay for that quality
    05-13-2016 10:00 AM
  25. Dexter_Morgan9's Avatar
    Who says that? At least the test chart referred to here states that it does not matter much what an LCD display shows whereas it matters with an AMOLED one. Also Wikipedia states it and I am very sure a quick net search would reveal other sources stating similar things.
    Or did I get your post wrong and you were speaking of AMOLED displays?
    There is an article on an android site (have to google amoled vs LCD battery savings) that shows amoled saves about 6% battery over LCD when they are both left on the home screen until they die, background being black.

    The thing is, we aren't really on our home screens that much, and most menus (unless we are talking about WP) aren't black.
    05-13-2016 02:41 PM
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