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  1. Slovenix's Avatar
    As some people mention try using alternate camera app, windows camera has problem with autofocus and post processing resulting in crap pictures unless you use fully manual setting, but sometimes you just want to snap something quickly in auto obviously. Personally I use pro shot on my lumia 920 with windows 10 and it help a lot, still current proshot is written for windows 8.1 and Microsoft changed some APIs in windows 10 mobile so the app isn't optimised yet. RiseUpGames developer of proshot is a member here on community and he is assuring windows 10 app os coming, the only problem is microsoft is still not allowing to open third party apps with press of camera button; Microsoft should either enable it or sort out their camera app quickly.
    Thank you, someone gets it.
    12-21-2015 07:42 AM
  2. Paolo Ferrazza's Avatar
    Since everybody directly uses jpeg for viewing and sharing, it's not an excuse to have an awful outcome.
    Please tell me where I stated it is ok to have an awful outcome? I do not have awful outcomes with jpeg and standard windows camera, my pictures look amazing. I'm just saying that he is complaining that zooming a lot is not showing the single pixels like in the adverts material, and that is expected and normal.
    12-21-2015 07:50 AM
  3. Slovenix's Avatar
    Please tell me where I stated it is ok to have an awful outcome? I do not have awful outcomes with jpeg and standard windows camera, my pictures look amazing. I'm just saying that he is complaining that zooming a lot is not showing the single pixels like in the adverts material, and that is expected and normal.
    It's just that it seems people have diffrent expectations..

    For me personally Lumia Camera did a better job and zooming in was an easy task as it actually kept enough detail.

    With Windows Camera.. Not so much. Post processing is awful now. Sorry I didnt meant to be so directed at you. I just think it's pointless to defend Windows Camera performance if it clearly isn't on pair with something people were used to.
    12-21-2015 08:08 AM
  4. Slovenix's Avatar
    I think there is nothing wrong with Lumia's sensors, its just that Camera software Currently sucks. So dont worry about it so much.
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    12-21-2015 08:10 AM
  5. Jazmac's Avatar
    Samples or it doesn't exist.
    12-21-2015 08:15 AM
  6. Slovenix's Avatar
    Samples or it doesn't exist.
    It's really easy to try it yourself :D its even more convincing. Alright :)
    12-21-2015 08:21 AM
  7. KimRM's Avatar
    Samples or it doesn't exist.
    Second that. Every picture I take with my 950 comes out amazing. I have seen no evidence of bad pictures from the ones complaining.

    I can only compare it to my previous 930. Even with the Lumia Camera that people seem to miss, the pictures I got from that phone was nothing against the pics from the 950.
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    12-21-2015 08:50 AM
  8. Jazmac's Avatar
    Second that. Every picture I take with my 950 comes out amazing. I have seen no evidence of bad pictures from the ones complaining.

    I can only compare it to my previous 930. Even with the Lumia Camera that people seem to miss, the pictures I got from that phone was nothing against the pics from the 950.
    This isn't to say bad devices are not out there and that means, return and replace. Basic stuff. But you have a device and make claims like the 950 I have and the other posters that have them are being less than truthful, that requires more than flapping gums.
    libra89 likes this.
    12-21-2015 08:58 AM
  9. Geo Hutchings's Avatar
    Clean your lens XD and to be far you should shoot raw and using manual settings.. and to be far the Lumia 1020 has a better sensor
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    12-21-2015 10:21 AM
  10. Paolo Ferrazza's Avatar
    It's really easy to try it yourself :D its even more convincing. Alright :)
    If we are asking for a sample maybe it is because we want to understand what people are talking about, we have a lumia 950 and pictures with windows camera look great (I had a 920 and a 930) so I'd like to understand why you and others are disappointed.

    If we are talking about extreme zooming in jpeg compressed photos, the normal consumer and I couldn't care less, for example...

    There ia a great comparison review of 930 1020 and 950, google it. Shots are taken on auto jpeg and there are no such issues. So without pictures this thread is just about nothing.
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    12-21-2015 10:32 AM
  11. Slovenix's Avatar
    If we are asking for a sample maybe it is because we want to understand what people are talking about, we have a lumia 950 and pictures with windows camera look great (I had a 920 and a 930) so I'd like to understand why you and others are disappointed.

    If we are talking about extreme zooming in jpeg compressed photos, the normal consumer and I couldn't care less, for example...

    There ia a great comparison review of 930 1020 and 950, google it. Shots are taken on auto jpeg and there are no such issues. So without pictures this thread is just about nothing.
    I find Windows Camera jpegs to be overly sharpened with some pixels left white sometimes while Lumia Camera produced pictures made out of dots-like pattern which created a beautiful more detailed photo combined with good noise reduction. While now it all seems messed up. I'll have to revert back to 8.1 to use Lumia Camera again thought. On the second place I would place ProShot and I'm patiently waiting for Windows 10 version.

    So I'm guessing that this would be the reason some people complain...
    12-21-2015 11:18 AM
  12. Slovenix's Avatar
    And to prove that im not making things up, when Windows Camera first came up, there was forum thread after thread about it's quality compared to Lumia Camera. It did improve alot thought.
    12-21-2015 12:07 PM
  13. Josh Harman's Avatar
    I'm in getting some amazing pics from my 950.

    Of course, I'm sure some of that is due to the quad-HD display versus the 720p of my old 830.
    12-21-2015 12:16 PM
  14. Jens Ansorg's Avatar
    you should shoot raw and using manual settings..
    Anybody actually tried the DNGs that the camera app on the 950 produces?

    Imported in Lightroom, they look pretty disappointing: pale, noisy, lack of detail. Compared to the JPG of the same shot from the camera (using JPG + DNG setting). I have to apply *a lot* of corrections and noise reduction and sharpening to get anywhere near the JPGs. The only time the DNG provided some value was a shot where the area around the sun was overblown, there I could see that there is actually more detail in the DNG, but still - so much work to get to this result.

    I'm used to work with Nikon NRW files and this is a complete different story.

    A camera profile for the new Phones for Lightroom might help. Hello, Microsoft?
    12-21-2015 01:39 PM
  15. Ron MIkhail's Avatar
    dont know why people get aggressive for no reason...by the way..i will try to upload some pictures when i can..but maybe my expectations were too high or im just a very bad "photographer"... i actually bought this phone because of that conference..i was amazed when they zoomed in the photo and u could see the facial hairs..

    anyway thank you for your replies..for the kind replies at least..and i know that without proofs this thread is stupid..sorry about that its my first time to post..i just didnt want to post my blurred pictures cuz they are personal/private..i dont want to put online my friend's faces...so i guess i have to shoot them again..and lets see the result..

    Merry Christmas to all.. except for that guy that he felt i punched him in the face with this thread...just calm down..
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    12-21-2015 01:55 PM
  16. Al4video's Avatar
    Thing is that the promos showed a level of detail and zoom, on the 950, that looked better than the 1020... This just isn't the case, even after all the updates that messed up the picture quality of the 1020.

    Did a few test pictures now though, and I do think the 950 has a better over all camera. Hope they get the recrop function going again. I really miss it, and used it all the time on the 1020.
    Doesn't the 1020 have like 40 megapixels are something? How could you possibly expect to get the same crop?
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    12-21-2015 02:22 PM
  17. Witness's Avatar
    Anybody actually tried the DNGs that the camera app on the 950 produces?

    Imported in Lightroom, they look pretty disappointing: pale, noisy, lack of detail. Compared to the JPG of the same shot from the camera (using JPG + DNG setting). I have to apply *a lot* of corrections and noise reduction and sharpening to get anywhere near the JPGs. The only time the DNG provided some value was a shot where the area around the sun was overblown, there I could see that there is actually more detail in the DNG, but still - so much work to get to this result.

    I'm used to work with Nikon NRW files and this is a complete different story.

    A camera profile for the new Phones for Lightroom might help. Hello, Microsoft?
    The file is "Raw" after all. Raw steak is unappetizing until you process it on a grill with some seasoning to it.
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    12-21-2015 03:05 PM
  18. stoneshop's Avatar
    This a picture of one of my cats. Indoors, low light, flash on, rich capture on, Windows Camera. Shutter speed 1/10, f/1,9, ISO 250.

    wp_20151219_15_13_20_rich3.jpg

    This is a crop of her left eye. Mark the little hair in the corner of her eye. This picture is a full crop. So it has not been downsized.

    wp_20151219_15_13_20_rich-2-.jpg

    Maybe the 1020 is even better but this seems pretty good to me.
    12-21-2015 03:16 PM
  19. Josh Harman's Avatar
    That cat looks evil. LOL
    12-21-2015 03:24 PM
  20. stoneshop's Avatar
    That cat looks evil. LOL
    No, she's very sweet but she just got flashed in the face
    12-21-2015 03:27 PM
  21. Slovenix's Avatar
    This a picture of one of my cats. Indoors, low light, flash on, rich capture on, Windows Camera. Shutter speed 1/10, f/1,9, ISO 250.

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    This is a crop of her left eye. Mark the little hair in the corner of her eye. This picture is a full crop. So it has not been downsized.

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    Maybe the 1020 is even better but this seems pretty good to me.
    Very well, very well.
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    12-21-2015 04:14 PM
  22. astondg's Avatar
    I know very little about photography so this might be redundant for those in here, but being a complete noob there are few things I have learnt:
    1. There is a difference between a full size crop and 'zoom'. The photos from Microsoft, like the OP mentions, where you can see the individual hairs are a full size crop, so basically just viewing the photo at full resolution. In a photo editing application, or even Windows Photo Viewer, you can zoom in well beyond full resolution and at this point the photos will look grainy and lose detail.

    2. You need good lighting to get good detail and reduced grain. Those photos from Microsoft were set up in the best possible lighting and other conditions.

    3. You need to choose the JPG + DNG option if you want the image without processing and compression, i.e. as it came in from the sensor. Then you can edit the DNG yourself and apply sharpening, colour correction, filters, etc. to get the image you want. For someone who knows what they are doing this should give the best photos.

    4. I think the OP would really like to see something taken by regular 950 users like this photo: http://az648995.vo.msecnd.net/device..._56_52_Pro.jpg and I think stoneshop has done that with the photos of his cat
    12-21-2015 04:43 PM
  23. Iain_S's Avatar
    I don't like linking to other sites but they did put the 950 thru all the tests in detail to show how this camera performs... all that have the 950 series should read before complaining.

    Microsoft Lumia 950 and 950 XL (part 2 - Imaging) review - All About Windows Phone

    this is a review between the 950, 930 and 1020:

    Camera head to head: Lumia 950 vs the older 930 and 1020
    12-21-2015 06:21 PM
  24. Con Georgiadis's Avatar
    I find Windows Camera jpegs to be overly sharpened with some pixels left white sometimes while Lumia Camera produced pictures made out of dots-like pattern which created a beautiful more detailed photo combined with good noise reduction. While now it all seems messed up. I'll have to revert back to 8.1 to use Lumia Camera again thought. On the second place I would place ProShot and I'm patiently waiting for Windows 10 version.

    So I'm guessing that this would be the reason some people complain...
    which phone are you talking about? how you would revert to 8.1?
    12-21-2015 06:47 PM
  25. Dot Matrix's Avatar
    I guess I'm the only one who has seen a decline in image quality since the Camera v 2015.1215.41.0 update? All my JPEGs look like you're looking through haze, and all my DNGs are EXTREMELY noisy. None of this was happening before the update a few days back.

    For example:
    wp_20151220_20_59_00_raw_li__highres_thumb.jpg
    12-21-2015 09:21 PM
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