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  1. Laura Knotek's Avatar
    Agreed - I'm in corporate finance and investment and not one firm (ftse 100) use wp. Android and iphone (with ibm and cisco tieing up) are making massive inroads. Sorry but that's just how it is. MSFT have been trying to get mobile back into business but, bottom line, it's all legacy blackberry, iphone and android. It used to be windows mobile but then 2007 happened and msft arrogantly told business what they should do with their money. Didn't work. They haven't recovered. I can only talk about London and new York, and dusseldorf but there it is.
    I know someone who handles mobile communications for a major bank. They never used legacy Windows Mobile. They used to be a BlackBerry only enterprise. Now they are Android and iOS only.
    Poirots Progeny likes this.
    01-03-2016 12:22 PM
  2. cracgor's Avatar
    Add any medical institution to that list. Even though most of these are BYOD, you can't do much with your windows phone of use.
    Laura Knotek likes this.
    01-03-2016 12:42 PM
  3. Poirots Progeny's Avatar
    Add any medical institution to that list. Even though most of these are BYOD, you can't do much with your windows phone of use.
    Sadly true. The nhs (uk) is trialling ipads in select institutions, with iphone so... MSFT have their work cut out. Bringing their key software to ios and android was the best move they've made. Then again, msft have the cash to burn - shareholders will only put up with that for so many years.
    Laura Knotek and wildb01 like this.
    01-03-2016 03:03 PM
  4. DJCBS's Avatar
    Am I wrong as basis of long term investment (as I, like many of you, keep my devices active for a long time) to buy into the new Lumia series given Mr. Nadella's recent statements describing WM "unsustainable" and his stronger efforts for an agnostic (OS-wise) presence on other mobile platforms? Do you think these devices will enjoy the lifespan that the 1520 enjoyed?
    Long term? No.
    WP devices days are numbered. The moment the "Surface phone" is out, WP is gone. It's not hard to foresee that. Just think:
    1 - WP is a money loser. Is Microsoft in the business of losing money? No.
    2 - Nadella admits it's unsustainable. Is Microsoft in the business of unsustainability? No.
    3 - Chris Whatsisname comments on the need to have a device that breaks through and truly innovates. Is any WP device that? No.
    4 - Universal Windows Apps. Is it catching on? Have you seen the app gap on WP diminish since WP10 and the new Lumias were officially released? No.

    It doesn't take a lot to understand that Microsoft will not continue for much longer to lose money on this. They have their services fully functional (and functioning better, actually) on Android and iOS. They have plenty of other platforms where they are successful. They will lose absolutely nothing by removing WP from the equation. Even the UWP vision doesn't actually need mobile phones. It will still have Windows PCs, Windows IoT (and a lot of the furute goes through here), XBone, HoloLens etc to fall on.

    So no.
    It's not a good long term investment. And if WP lasts half the lifespan of the Nokia 1520 it will already be an accomplishment.
    01-03-2016 03:06 PM
  5. Rising Mos's Avatar
    A surface phone would be a windows phone!
    01-03-2016 03:09 PM
  6. leehab's Avatar
    No body cares about the present , it is where the company is going . Some one said company has 80% of PC market . 5 years ago it had 98% market share and now 80% . That is bad . At one time Apple was bankrupt , Blackberry was on the top . All these drastic changes are the result of the steps the CEO has taken . Apple was trading at $4.00 when Jobs came in and told the world he was determined to build a phone like no other and he did it because he was focused on that mission . This CEO does Not know what he wants to do . He has made conflicting statements since day one . Even the fans are confused . A leader will come out and telegraph his goal and Plan of Action to keep the base and expand on it . Right now people are looking to leave . Not a good sign . I wished the Mobile OS take over other OS
    01-03-2016 04:04 PM
  7. Zebbie's Avatar
    '' Universal Windows Apps. Is it catching on? Have you seen the app gap on WP diminish since WP10 and the new Lumias were officially released? No.''

    Everyday new apps appear...just check it!

    It's all in Panos hands i ques with the surface phone.
    01-03-2016 05:42 PM
  8. cracgor's Avatar
    Challenge: not to be argumentative, but list 5 of the important apps that did not exist on windows phone that now do because of universal windows apps. I don't care if Mytube or Baconit go universal (taking mobile to computers). I don't care if Facebook has plans for universal app (one already exists). I don't care if Bank of America will be making one (it does not exist now). The universal apps may catch on one day, but I do not think the state of affairs is such that you can say everyday new apps appear. I don't think you can keep waiting for the future surface phone created by Panos anymore than I was excited about the promise of Windows 8 and WP8 as presented by Belfiore.
    01-03-2016 07:18 PM
  9. keithhackneysmullet's Avatar
    This forum is a joke I have never seen such unfounded negativity. Hell yes the 950 is a good investment .Windows 10 isn't going anywhere .

    You have to know the flagship you purchase today will be tomorrows midrange phone and next weeks low end barely holding a charge, cracked screen , held together with duct tape nightmare. If your happy with microsofts ecosystem then you will be happy with the 950 or the xl. Next year there will always be something better. Windows 10 is my platform of choice because iOS is a nanny state and boring , android is a security nightmare and good luck ever seeing an os update, and bb10 is in hospice .
    01-03-2016 07:38 PM
  10. camptime's Avatar
    This forum is a joke I have never seen such unfounded negativity. Hell yes the 950 is a good investment .Windows 10 isn't going anywhere .

    You have to know the flagship you purchase today will be tomorrows midrange phone and next weeks low end barely holding a charge, cracked screen , held together with duct tape nightmare. If your happy with microsofts ecosystem then you will be happy with the 950 or the xl. Next year there will always be something better. Windows 10 is my platform of choice because iOS is a nanny state and boring , android is a security nightmare and good luck ever seeing an os update, and bb10 is in hospice .
    This is why I don't visit these forums as much as before its very often quiet negative against these new phones. Have my new Lumia 950XL and loving it. Back to enjoying my phone see ya.
    01-03-2016 08:03 PM
  11. NadaAddict's Avatar
    I have to point out, that in healthcare android devices are used in the field all the time for electronic records, at least in the US. There are very few proprietary or other software for health professionals to use on mobile windows devices.
    Weird, the last six hospitals I've worked at all use extremely proprietary applications running on citrix. Zero Android apps

    Posted via the Windows Central App for Android
    01-03-2016 08:16 PM
  12. cracgor's Avatar
    Epic would be the main EMR that I'm familiar with an app. I was also referencing drug references...where MPR is the only one I know of on WM and is much worse than Medscape on Android/iOS (not the same as the mobile webpage). Another app your hospital might invest in would be UpToDate. Additionally there are things like AO fracture guide (which has an equal version online webpage...just slower to load) or medical calculators and references that do not exist on Windows Mobile.
    xandros9 and nilchak like this.
    01-03-2016 08:41 PM
  13. EspHack's Avatar
    I expect something similar to that surface RT history, they finally have an intel cpu battery friendly enough with adequate performance, RT along its ARM OS goes away, surface 3 with nice real windows appears

    but maybe for a while it will be lumia pro with intel alongside normal lumia with rt-like OS, if they finally kill the later, the lumia pro or surface phone wont catch the world on fire but it will have a clear purpose and faithful audience, which will improve over time, no longer limited to the "vs ios-android" argument since its a real pocket pc, then the scenario will be same as tablets; a 10" phone(ios-android tablet) vs a w10 computer on tablet form, clearly an easy decision for anyone who knows his stuff, and clearly a advantageous position for w10 phones where they will remain unmatched
    MikkoPaivarinta likes this.
    01-03-2016 10:21 PM
  14. winboy's Avatar
    I'm enjoying and loving my 950 XL since day one, so the answer is a big YES! Try it for yourself, why even ask?
    editguy and horseybob like this.
    01-03-2016 10:57 PM
  15. FragMonkey90's Avatar
    A potential surface phone would still be at least six months away. 950xlisa good investment and there is no guarantee a surface phone would be a good device
    01-03-2016 11:02 PM
  16. markeboyle's Avatar
    it might not be stunning looking but it is thin and no one looks past the slab of glass on the front which is stunning and at how thin it is.
    editguy likes this.
    01-03-2016 11:37 PM
  17. Josh Harman's Avatar
    it might not be stunning looking but it is thin and no one looks past the slab of glass on the front which is stunning and at how thin it is.
    Throw a leather replacement back on it to spice it up.

    I've got lots of compliments on it.
    RumoredNow, editguy and libra89 like this.
    01-03-2016 11:45 PM
  18. editguy's Avatar
    I know someone who handles mobile communications for a major bank. They never used legacy Windows Mobile. They used to be a BlackBerry only enterprise. Now they are Android and iOS only.
    Which clearly shows that things change. What is today the leader, is not necessarily tomorrow. No on knows for sure who will be using what in the future. I recall when many people had written Apple off. No one, absolutely no one in those dismal years predicted that Apple would be where they are now. MS has a shot. They're clearly outpacing other tech companies in many areas currently.
    01-04-2016 12:11 AM
  19. tropolite's Avatar
    Yep, I'm pleased by my purchase (950XL). Even though there have been hiccups with the software, it can only get better. I know, it sounds like a clich but I happen to believe it - Microsoft is the only company that I would trust to not give up and get Windows 10 in all its iterations to a very good performing ecosystem along with apps that are complementary and enhancing to the devices.
    01-04-2016 12:11 AM
  20. editguy's Avatar
    No body cares about the present , it is where the company is going . Some one said company has 80% of PC market . 5 years ago it had 98% market share and now 80% . That is bad . At one time Apple was bankrupt , Blackberry was on the top . All these drastic changes are the result of the steps the CEO has taken . Apple was trading at $4.00 when Jobs came in and told the world he was determined to build a phone like no other and he did it because he was focused on that mission . This CEO does Not know what he wants to do . He has made conflicting statements since day one . Even the fans are confused . A leader will come out and telegraph his goal and Plan of Action to keep the base and expand on it . Right now people are looking to leave . Not a good sign . I wished the Mobile OS take over other OS
    And, yet, their stock has doubled since he took over. MS is getting some positive press, which hadn't happened for years under Balmer. You get a myopic view of things by reading forums on a tech blog. Most people who use tech devices never visit a forum.
    01-04-2016 12:18 AM
  21. editguy's Avatar
    Challenge: not to be argumentative, but list 5 of the important apps that did not exist on windows phone that now do because of universal windows apps. I don't care if Mytube or Baconit go universal (taking mobile to computers). I don't care if Facebook has plans for universal app (one already exists). I don't care if Bank of America will be making one (it does not exist now). The universal apps may catch on one day, but I do not think the state of affairs is such that you can say everyday new apps appear. I don't think you can keep waiting for the future surface phone created by Panos anymore than I was excited about the promise of Windows 8 and WP8 as presented by Belfiore.
    You say "not to be argumentative" and then proceed to be argumentative. Of course we can say new universal apps appear every day, because they do. Whether they are ones that you want is immaterial. Your needs are not the be all and end all of what is useful in an app.
    Jeddic and gcyoung like this.
    01-04-2016 12:22 AM
  22. joeonsunset's Avatar
    He didn't even--as far as we know--use the word "unsustainable." It was the article author's word and he was paraphrasing Nadella, in kind of an awkward construction.
    gcyoung likes this.
    01-04-2016 02:26 AM
  23. grezmel's Avatar
    Why can't people just enjoy the phone. My 950xl rocks and I am pleased that I don't run android or IOS.
    I, like most others knew or know what they are letting themselves in for, yet still make an issue out of it - a bit like buying a car with well known faults and then slating it.

    My phone switches on, has good battery life and most importantly it makes calls which is the fundamental point of a phone.
    01-04-2016 03:04 AM
  24. fdruid's Avatar
    Why can't people just enjoy the phone.
    Yes, please. I'd love if people stopped posting things as if buying a phone made them stockholders of the company. People need to chill and take it down a notch. It's a only phone.
    libra89 likes this.
    01-04-2016 04:00 AM
  25. A_For_Architecture's Avatar
    All Windows Phone have their own identity. With 950 / 950XL series you are buying the option to be part of the Windows as a Service. But not just that. You are doing it with the lack of lot of possibilities in the mean of hardware. All of it's details are on top of the range. We all know Continuum is on beta stage but its also here just now! And its working flawless! It could be better if it was completely wireless or included into the device itself, or if it could be able to used from far distance, or... what else! BUT, we are currently running the year 2016, not 2020! Its so far the best way to join the Windows 10 community! And this applies not only to professionals but also to common ordinary users!
    Think about it! Mr. Nadella is doing right! Microsoft would focus on WM and we are just in the beginning of whats coming SOON...
    So, Yes! If you look for the best at the moment, 950 / 950XL is a must!
    Last edited by A_For_Architecture; 01-04-2016 at 06:10 AM.
    01-04-2016 05:33 AM
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