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  1. cracgor's Avatar
    You say "not to be argumentative" and then proceed to be argumentative. Of course we can say new universal apps appear every day, because they do. Whether they are ones that you want is immaterial. Your needs are not the be all and end all of what is useful in an app.
    If someone would just answer the question instead of arguing.

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    01-04-2016 06:45 AM
  2. Spicymikey's Avatar
    Agreed - I'm in corporate finance and investment and not one firm (ftse 100) use wp. Android and iphone (with ibm and cisco tieing up) are making massive inroads. Sorry but that's just how it is. MSFT have been trying to get mobile back into business but, bottom line, it's all legacy blackberry, iphone and android. It used to be windows mobile but then 2007 happened and msft arrogantly told business what they should do with their money. Didn't work. They haven't recovered. I can only talk about London and new York, and dusseldorf but there it is.
    Yep. It's all about the software and productivity the ecosystem provides you. The hardware is irrelevant because anyone can make a smartphone. What MSFT is trying to do now is smart, but it may be too late. They should have done this 7 years ago. Cracking a market that is dominated by two players with 90+% of a user base is tough and almost impossible. Ask Apple about that with their efforts to take back the desktop world.
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    01-04-2016 07:21 AM
  3. veigald's Avatar
    What you have to consider here is that Nadella is not thinking about competing in the smartphone space as such. He wants to ride the next wave.

    What's happening in the personal computing space is iterative levels of convergence. A few years back people had both a laptop and a PC. Then they converged into a laptop. Now a lot of people have a laptop and a tablet. Microsoft converged these into the Surface line, which is now being copied by every other hardware vendor. It makes perfect sense to converge the phone and the laptop next, given that phones can rival most people's needs in terms of processing power and memory. This is what MS are targeting and this is what Nadella is talking about.

    So yes, the smartphone space is not what Microsoft is really working at competing in, they want to be the first into the "Surface-like" next convergence wave and be dominant there. And they're the only ones currently realistically playing in that field.

    To conclude, Microsoft will not give up on Windows Mobile. It's very much key to their future.
    01-04-2016 07:38 AM
  4. gerzhwin's Avatar
    As Nadella stated a few times: The phone ist part of the strategy. Win10Phone is and will be supported. The hardware is reasonably priced as well as exercised. Continuum is on board. Creaking back cover can easily be fixed, battery life will get better/fixed by software enhancements, also Windows Hello accuracy. Apps ... aren't everything, but some you're searchinh for might not be found.
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    01-04-2016 07:51 AM
  5. mgerbasio's Avatar
    The launch was a dud in the USA by MS picking the No.2 carrier and excluding the other 65% of the wireless market; I was disappointed. Yes, you can put a T-Mobile SIM in the phone and it will work, but it is missing critical features on the T-Mobile network. I liked using WP, had the 925 and then 640 on T-Mobile but last month purchased the Nexus 5X. I'm not going to switch to AT&T and not using a crippled phone on T-Mobile. MS does a good job of supporting Office apps on Android and I get back Google Voice and Google Maps which really have no equals on Windows at this point. Going with the Nexus 5X made the most sense for me.

    If MS gets serious about launching new hardware, like Apple and Google, making it carrier independent, I'd take another look. If they want to launch a product like it is 2006 rather than 2016, unsustainable is what they get. Good investment? I don't look at a phone as an investment but if I would have bought it. I want a phone that works for me and right now Android is best. When the Surface phone comes out, I'll take a look; hopefully it isn't a tease like the Surface mini.
    01-04-2016 08:02 AM
  6. anon(9630986)'s Avatar
    I don't think Satya said anything you should get upset over.
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    01-04-2016 08:36 AM
  7. MikkoPaivarinta's Avatar
    Not really - Onedrive syncs your photos on iPhone only when you open the app. Windows Phone syncs automatically.
    A huge difference that I miss, now that I have an iStone :-(
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    01-04-2016 09:28 AM
  8. ScubaDog's Avatar
    My wife and I both bought a 950. Worst waste of $1200 we ever made. There are so many issues with it AND with Windows 10 that I've gone back to my 1020. It's just better in ever respect that I care about.
    01-04-2016 09:44 AM
  9. Barry Weston's Avatar
    Just turn on the ability to update in the back ground. That function always was there

    Not really - Onedrive syncs your photos on iPhone only when you open the app. Windows Phone syncs automatically.
    A huge difference that I miss, now that I have an iStone :-(
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    01-04-2016 09:45 AM
  10. Gunbust3r's Avatar
    IMHO with the 640 coming in at $40 on sale the 950 at $600+ is a terrible "investment". Microsoft was clueless about pricing these unless the intent was for them to sell minimal units.
    01-04-2016 10:05 AM
  11. BryceMD's Avatar
    Nadella never said 'unsustainable'. He said people should focus less on market share and more on user experience. Windows Phone is a small part of a bigger picture, but it is still a part of it.

    The knee jerk reactions here are as strong as ever.
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    01-04-2016 10:12 AM
  12. dpinside's Avatar
    My wife and I both bought a 950. Worst waste of $1200 we ever made. There are so many issues with it AND with Windows 10 that I've gone back to my 1020. It's just better in ever respect that I care about.
    That's a really descriptive narrative of your dislikes.
    01-04-2016 10:38 AM
  13. Wes D's Avatar
    I'm not sure why the hate for the 950. I bought one a week ago to replace my 1020, which was/is a great device, (but met its demise due to the lag of the latest build). Thus far I'm pleased with it, especially the screen and speed.

    Unfortunately like all Windows Phone releases, there was minimal marketing, a device shortage, and the carrier/partners are less than helpful when a customer goes to buy a Windows phone, and gets steered into a Nexus/iPhone instead.

    For Microsoft to get credibility in this market segment, the 950 needs to be $399 - make the phone a fanstastic value. I'd also like to see MSFT drop the Windows Phone moniker and call it solely W10Mobile.

    There is no reason why MSFT cannot be a solid third alternative in the market.
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    01-04-2016 10:40 AM
  14. enthuz's Avatar
    @poopyfinger - I think you just sealed my purchase of the 950XL with your comments. I wouldn't be buying the first release of the Surface Phone either and would wait for all of the kinks to be iron out. I love the familiarity of my all Windows ecosystem and wouldn't give it up for anyone.
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    01-04-2016 10:45 AM
  15. vincentwansink's Avatar
    Onedrive/Office can auto sync on iOS and Android as well. I get it you're happy with your new WP and that's awesome, but the ecosystem of Windows is equally available on all mobile platforms aside for Cortana.

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    Except trying to use your outlook contacts on the LG G3 is an exercise in futility. The default contacts app won't pull in your outlook contacts at all. You can view them in the Outlook app but you can't add new ones. Not sure if this is an LG problem or an Android problem, but you can be sure you won't have any of these kinds of problems with a Microsoft phone.
    01-04-2016 11:33 AM
  16. Poirots Progeny's Avatar
    Except trying to use your outlook contacts on the LG G3 is an exercise in futility. The default contacts app won't pull in your outlook contacts at all. You can view them in the Outlook app but you can't add new ones. Not sure if this is an LG problem or an Android problem, but you can be sure you won't have any of these kinds of problems with a Microsoft phone.
    That's specific to that device because the lg g4, Sammy notes and galaxy devices and the nexus devices do not have that problem at all - we field all of those. No issue. Not an android issue.
    Last edited by Poirots Progeny; 01-04-2016 at 12:11 PM.
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    01-04-2016 11:41 AM
  17. chuckdaly's Avatar
    Buy a 950/XL because you want one, but its a poor investment. Nadella continues to state/imply that Microsoft isn't trying to gain marketshare for its mobile platform. Hoping mobile app developers will create desktop apps because of Windows 10's install base is a pipedream. If a mobile developer doesn't see the need for a desktop app, they won't develop a universal app for W10/M. We Windows 10 Mobile users are at best beta testers for Microsoft services, so they can put them on as manyDesktop, iOS, and Android devices as possible. Thats the "Windows Everywhere" plan.
    Last edited by chuckdaly; 01-04-2016 at 11:53 AM.
    01-04-2016 11:43 AM
  18. sevoman's Avatar
    @x-topher. I was talking about the phone division.. Not pc market share or xbox.. Also your digits are incorrect.. 50% of the console market? Where did you gett that number from?
    Don't you like how people change your point and then argue against you? lol
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    01-04-2016 11:58 AM
  19. wisedesi's Avatar
    My brother got lumia 950XL and it is a beautiful phone and great camera(way better than my 1520). I am still going to hold of for surface phone.
    01-04-2016 12:19 PM
  20. pickypg's Avatar
    Nadella was saying that the current market share is unsustainable, not that WM was unsustainable.

    As the others suggested, WM will be around for at least a few more years while Microsoft tries to break into the very lucrative smart phone market, which is where Apple makes the lion's share of their profits.

    The OS is going to continue to work for past devices, even as new devices come out. With that said, I ended up returning my Lumia 950 because it was too buggy, had poor battery life, and it crashed frequently. This was days before the firmware update, which hopefully fixed a lot of my [reported] issues, but there were a lot of problems to fix. From my perspective as a huge fan of the ecosystem, the Lumia 950 must have been a last ditch effort from a hodgepodge of employees that were [likely] partially laid off in the last big round of layoffs, followed by Microsoft's desire to keep WM somewhat relevant by releasing a new phone.

    I expect that now that the phone development has been placed under the Surface team, the whole experience should be a lot better (perhaps minus display drivers :)). Personally, I was really looking forward to the Lumia 950 and I was really disappointed with all of its issues; when it worked, I loved the device though, so I am looking forward to the next release.
    01-04-2016 12:41 PM
  21. koffiejunk's Avatar
    Still no STRAVA available on my lumia 735.. See what I did there. Without apps like this windows is a fail.. I love the rest of the OS by the way
    01-04-2016 01:13 PM
  22. chasvs's Avatar
    Don't bail now. The new Lumias are top notch and there is NO WAY MS is going to abandon WM any time soon. I only switched away for now since Verizon is not carrying the 950/950XL and I figured I take the next year to try out the iPhone 6sPlus. I miss WM10 but am impressed with the iPhone and can only hope the MS and VZW get together on the "Panos Phone" next year!
    01-04-2016 01:25 PM
  23. Hasnz's Avatar
    Its a good phone . The hardware should be able take take me through for another year . It is one of the best cameraphone in the market right now , along with lgv10 and Note5 .

    The windows 10 mobile Os itself is pretty decent so far . The microsoft apps and other 3rd party apps can help transition easily from other ecosystem . Its still been less than a month I got 950xl and I am still learning about windows phone . The OS and the upgrade have been stable for me but darn that resuming screen . . . .

    Though I am not an app guy , The app issue is still frustrating tbh . I have almost given up on using Facebook ( beta ) and Flipboard . Almost to a point where I decided to exchange it with LGv10 ( which I was actually getting ) . Luckily I have an ipad and I have all the apps and games installed on that which I use a lot . I keep on checking the windows store everyday If there will ever be a solid updates from these app atleast .

    Cortana and Groove service is not available here so I end up using this phone more like a feature phone .

    I will still give this phone 6 more months to see how things progress . Otherwise back to ios/android .
    01-04-2016 01:33 PM
  24. AgentTheGreat's Avatar
    Let's back up: were 950 and 950 XL sound investments even brfore Nadella's remarks? Would you pay that much for devices their manufacturers cared so little about, that they decided to release with a beta OS?

    I honestly don't know who forks out seven hundred dollars - read that again - for such incomplete and buggy devices when there are so many devices out there with mature OS's and complete software ecosystems.

    The lack of confidence in Windows Phone and Mobile was obvious from the moment Nadella took control of the company. This time he just came out and said it. I believe Nadella and his (admittedly overall decent) strategy were the last bullet in the head of Windows Phone.

    Another great piece of design fades into history because of bad management and complacency.
    Last edited by AgentTheGreat; 01-04-2016 at 02:28 PM.
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    01-04-2016 02:17 PM
  25. eortizr's Avatar
    Windows Phone = BlackBerry
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    01-04-2016 02:30 PM
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