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  1. Prince of NC's Avatar
    Am I wrong as basis of long term investment (as I, like many of you, keep my devices active for a long time) to buy into the new Lumia series given Mr. Nadella's recent statements describing WM "unsustainable" and his stronger efforts for an agnostic (OS-wise) presence on other mobile platforms? Do you think these devices will enjoy the lifespan that the 1520 enjoyed?
    01-01-2016 05:41 PM
  2. Nubwy's Avatar
    Unlike BlackBerry, Microsoft has other platforms on which to carry the Windows 10 banner. It can afford the luxury I think, regardless of what the CEO says, to have it carry the mobile operating system. There will always be a Windows Phone, so yes. Good investment.
    01-01-2016 05:57 PM
  3. X-topher's Avatar
    I have the 950, after been on Android since day 1. A windows enthusiast since 3.1, the reason I have moved is the integration between my phone and the rest of my devices which is unique as well as excellent. No more messing about transferring files I take a photo and 2 mins later it's on all my devices the same integration with office. This until win 10 and the reasonable ability of the previous phones never really was that much of a deal. I bought the 950 fully aware that the panos phone is on it's way but it didn't deter me as the 950 will be able enough to last a couple of years I just see it as next years 850. I,m sure the panos phone will bring lots more to the party but the 950 will still be at the party....The undoubted success of win 10 universal platform makes the purchase of a windows phone a no brainer when you look at what the competition are offering...
    v535, anon9776305, KimRM and 8 others like this.
    01-01-2016 06:08 PM
  4. chezm's Avatar
    I have the 950, after been on Android since day 1. A windows enthusiast since 3.1, the reason I have moved is the integration between my phone and the rest of my devices which is unique as well as excellent. No more messing about transferring files I take a photo and 2 mins later it's on all my devices the same integration with office.
    Onedrive/Office can auto sync on iOS and Android as well. I get it you're happy with your new WP and that's awesome, but the ecosystem of Windows is equally available on all mobile platforms aside for Cortana.

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    01-01-2016 07:38 PM
  5. xandros9's Avatar
    I think it'll see the longevity.

    My concern would be the quality of life. I think the ecosystem peaked in 2013-2014 although the in-house cohesiveness with Windows 10 is a definite plus. The phones are fine, albeit arguably plain looking.

    My worry is whether Windows 10 Mobile will meet your needs in the future, hypothetically saying the OS and app ecosystem continues to "progress" as it is now.
    Like, WP 8.1 was all I needed once, but not anymore.
    01-01-2016 09:11 PM
  6. anon(5383410)'s Avatar
    I didn't interpret Nadella's comments as an ultimatum or even indicator that the'd move away from the mobile space if there isn't significant market share increase in the near future.
    01-01-2016 11:34 PM
  7. Krystianpants's Avatar
    His view is that devices are changing, so while specific "phone" market share may be low, phones may not be just phones in the future. They want to do with phones what they did with 2-in-1's. Make them run like computers and phones. It's a new category in itself. The new surface phone is due in september which will have an intel Core M cpu. Now that's just a rumor. But this one would hold you off long enough. I will probably sit through the first revision of the surface phone and wait for the 2nd one. By then I'll sell my lumia 950xl.

    As long as there is windows 10 there will be windows 10 mobile, that's pretty much his statement. They won't give up on it but rather change the way people see these devices. I bought mine knowing a new phone is coming because I'm not going to wait a year for surface phone. And given it will be a new tech it won't be so perfect. The phones are all stuff that have been tested and true for a long time. The Qualcomm chips have survived the test of time. We don't know how intel chips will do.

    Again, I think you should buy it in an MS store and then return it if you don't like it. But do update it to latest firmware and OS build after getting it.
    01-02-2016 09:25 AM
  8. srcpt's Avatar
    I have to point out, that in healthcare android devices are used in the field all the time for electronic records, at least in the US. There are very few proprietary or other software for health professionals to use on mobile windows devices.
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    01-02-2016 11:14 AM
  9. rollindice's Avatar
    A living dog is better than a dead lion,get the flagships,Lumia 950 or it's big brother 950 XL
    01-02-2016 11:17 AM
  10. Prince of NC's Avatar
    I agree Continuum is an excellent, useful feature in my line of work (traveling professional). I know 100% I would use the feature in addition to all the things I like about WM as it is. My concern is them walking away from WM due to market share like they did Zune and Kin.
    01-02-2016 01:58 PM
  11. X-topher's Avatar
    As has been mentioned Nadella is not talking about dumping the win mobile he is saying they are creating a new market where win phone dominates... UWP thru 2016 will become important as people start to use their phone within a universal environment and see the benefits at some point people will realise that if every other device in their homes/offices is running win 10 it makes sense that their phones are too...
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    01-02-2016 02:54 PM
  12. koffiejunk's Avatar
    I would say jump ship.. Ms fails time after time.. And enough is enough.the Ms loyalists will say surface phone bla bla.. Is the world ready for it? How much will they coast for people to buy them..
    ninny1176 and metalb00 like this.
    01-02-2016 02:57 PM
  13. sevoman's Avatar
    Onedrive/Office can auto sync on iOS and Android as well. I get it you're happy with your new WP and that's awesome, but the ecosystem of Windows is equally available on all mobile platforms aside for Cortana.

    Posted via the Windows Central App for Android
    correct. keeping in line with what the ceo said... MS's future is that of a service, regardless of what device you are using. as google is growing from just services to some devices, MS will shrink from making some devices, to just services (xbox is the only hardware that will survive). i predict the end of the surface lines by the end of 2016.
    01-02-2016 03:19 PM
  14. X-topher's Avatar
    How do you consider a company a failure? That has virtually 100% office productivity software market, 80% of the PC platform market. 90% of the PC gaming market and 50% of the console market...
    01-02-2016 03:24 PM
  15. X-topher's Avatar
    Correct in the fact that you can use it on a 5" screen or even miracast it to a tv @ 30 fps with a Bluetooth keyboard and mouse which is almost unusable. You cannot use it @60 fps on a 24" 1080 monitor with a Wireless keyboard and mouse a 6 TB powered hard drive and a 3 TB unpowered hard drive all attached...All this and you actually charge the battery at the same time. Microsoft is growing more than any company within the device market...
    Last edited by X-topher; 01-02-2016 at 04:02 PM.
    01-02-2016 03:44 PM
  16. rafal soboczynski's Avatar
    His view is that devices are changing, so while specific "phone" market share may be low, phones may not be just phones in the future. They want to do with phones what they did with 2-in-1's. Make them run like computers and phones. It's a new category in itself. The new surface phone is due in september which will have an intel Core M cpu. Now that's just a rumor. But this one would hold you off long enough. I will probably sit through the first revision of the surface phone and wait for the 2nd one. By then I'll sell my lumia 950xl.

    As long as there is windows 10 there will be windows 10 mobile, that's pretty much his statement. They won't give up on it but rather change the way people see these devices. I bought mine knowing a new phone is coming because I'm not going to wait a year for surface phone. And given it will be a new tech it won't be so perfect. The phones are all stuff that have been tested and true for a long time. The Qualcomm chips have survived the test of time. We don't know how intel chips will do.

    Again, I think you should buy it in an MS store and then return it if you don't like it. But do update it to latest firmware and OS build after getting it.
    If it will be an intell cpu (which I hope it will not)it will most likely be atom x3 or x5 at the push. M series won't give you enought battery life
    01-02-2016 03:49 PM
  17. hprvez's Avatar
    A modern consumer electronic device is never an investment. But these phones are still the best experience if you want live tiles, continuum, iris recognition, optimized code, security, and still the second best ux and ui after wp8.1
    davebwi, b23h, admatt and 1 others like this.
    01-02-2016 04:00 PM
  18. koffiejunk's Avatar
    @x-topher. I was talking about the phone division.. Not pc market share or xbox.. Also your digits are incorrect.. 50% of the console market? Where did you gett that number from?
    sevoman and metalb00 like this.
    01-02-2016 04:10 PM
  19. Iain_S's Avatar
    2014 sony ps4 had around 13%, xbox one around 9%
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    01-03-2016 01:28 AM
  20. realwarder's Avatar
    There is one main reason that consumers completely miss that means that Windows 10 mobile will be here and supported for a long time: Business. In business Microsoft give 150%. Business customers are slowly moving to use Microsoft mobile phones, and in business, Microsoft provides long term commitments. This is an important part of the vision and one they are selling hard in the corporate world.

    In the consumer space they are committed to Windows 10 and supporting developers in writing Universal Apps which will run on anything. That will benefit the phones too as UWP apps are easily made phone friendly.

    As others have mentioned, expect innovative new phone hardware with eye opening capability, possibly two-in-ones that bring attention back to Windows 10 in the mobile space.

    Windows phones are definitely not going away and Windows 10 will be supported for a long time. The 950 range has enough hardware to be great for a 2-3 years, which is a lifetime in mobile tech.
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    01-03-2016 08:58 AM
  21. KimRM's Avatar
    correct. Keeping in line with what the ceo said... Ms's future is that of a service, regardless of what device you are using. As google is growing from just services to some devices, ms will shrink from making some devices, to just services (xbox is the only hardware that will survive). I predict the end of the surface lines by the end of 2016.
    lol
    01-03-2016 09:32 AM
  22. cracgor's Avatar
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    Windows phones are definitely not going away and Windows 10 will be supported for a long time. The 950 range has enough hardware to be great for a 2-3 years, which is a lifetime in mobile tech.
    Windows 10 is good until 2025. WM10 will not receive updates after January 9 2018.

    http://www.pcworld.com/article/30116...y-mystery.html

    Maybe they will truly have one OS by then that runs on everything. Maybe they will have just one OS. I still find it suspect.

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    01-03-2016 09:51 AM
  23. realwarder's Avatar
    Windows 10 is good until 2025. WM10 will not receive updates after January 9 2018.

    Windows 10 Mobile gets an end-of-life date, surrounded by mystery | PCWorld

    Maybe they will truly have one OS by then that runs on everything. Maybe they will have just one OS. I still find it suspect.

    Posted via the Windows Central App for Android
    I wouldn't read too much into that page. If a user had purchased a Windows 8.1 phone and looked at similar support end dates for that, you'd see the same 2-3 year life time, yet most phones will transition up to Windows 10 mobile so life and support goes on. I would expect a similar path with Windows 10. Will it really be the 'last Windows', or will it be renamed something else within this time frame... e.g. will we see Windows 11 or simply Windows? So many unknowns and quite some time for it to all work out. Either way, we know from the service based frequent update model of Windows 10, that phone users will be better supported on Windows 10 than they ever were on Windows 7/8/8.1.
    01-03-2016 10:06 AM
  24. chezm's Avatar
    There is one main reason that consumers completely miss that means that Windows 10 mobile will be here and supported for a long time: Business. In business Microsoft give 150%. Business customers are slowly moving to use Microsoft mobile phones, and in business, Microsoft provides long term commitments.
    Wow, that's a bold statement considering their marketshare in mobile. Microsoft definitely has the majority of market in business when it comes to OS on devices and Office no doubt. However, in my line of work and all the vendors and clients I work with not a single business has or even uses windows phone. Since Office is avaliable on Android and iPhone, iPhone is actually the most used platform for business nowadays... From my extensive experience. And the main reason is a lot of systems and tools we use ha e apps only on ios and android.

    If Microsoft can get more bigger business to use WP that would be great for them, but the odd announcement of a business signing on for 100k devices or smaller 10-20 people operations aren't enough. If Microsoft can get all the major vendors to make apps then it will definitely help.

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    01-03-2016 10:49 AM
  25. Poirots Progeny's Avatar
    Wow, that's a bold statement considering their marketshare in mobile. Microsoft definitely has the majority of market in business when it comes to OS on devices and Office no doubt. However, in my line of work and all the vendors and clients I work with not a single business has or even uses windows phone. Since Office is avaliable on Android and iPhone, iPhone is actually the most used platform for business nowadays... From my extensive experience. And the main reason is a lot of systems and tools we use ha e apps only on ios and android.

    If Microsoft can get more bigger business to use WP that would be great for them, but the odd announcement of a business signing on for 100k devices or smaller 10-20 people operations aren't enough. If Microsoft can get all the major vendors to make apps then it will definitely help.

    Posted via the Windows Central App for Android
    Agreed - I'm in corporate finance and investment and not one firm (ftse 100) use wp. Android and iphone (with ibm and cisco tieing up) are making massive inroads. Sorry but that's just how it is. MSFT have been trying to get mobile back into business but, bottom line, it's all legacy blackberry, iphone and android. It used to be windows mobile but then 2007 happened and msft arrogantly told business what they should do with their money. Didn't work. They haven't recovered. I can only talk about London and new York, and dusseldorf but there it is.
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    01-03-2016 11:01 AM
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