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  1. MirthRock's Avatar
    You should be more pissed off at yourself for buying the phone.
    Reviews clearly stated their were software issues.
    In the past ATT has always been a problem interfering with updates.
    Windows 10 running on older devices was unreliable at best.
    Yet you still bought the phone and thought it was going to be perfect?

    I got my wife an ATT 950 because she broke her 1020.
    I knew going in that I could have to return it. Fortunately it has worked near perfect (unless things are wrong and she's not telling me).
    I have to the 30th of January to return it, and if necessary I will do so and she can go back to using our spare 640 until the 950 is ironed out or something better comes along.

    Do some research before you buy something worth $600.
    Not for one minute have I thought 950 users were anything but beta testers.
    I'm not pissed that I bought the phone. I love the phone. I'm fully aware that we're "beta" testers, even though the phone is not marketed that way. "You still bought the phone and thought it was going to be perfect?' That's making a crazy assumption - I don't buy any device and expect it to be perfect but I expect it to be fixed. I did plenty of research before I purchased the phone and I'm not only allowed but justified to get upset when a company isn't properly supporting their device, whether it be Microsoft or anybody else. I'm a huge Microsoft supporter, but that doesn't mean they should be devoid of criticism.
    01-11-2016 08:20 AM
  2. bjd223's Avatar
    My guess is the firmware would fix your Bluetooth issues as some have noticed. Camera issues for sure. Just be patient I'm sure ms is going to release the 950 at&t version soon. 950 xls on at&t are getting it.
    LOL you still don't get it. 950XL phones on ATT have nothing to do with ATT. They were unlocked phones bought directly from MS. MS is solely in charge of updating them. People just happen to be using them on ATT.

    ATT branded 950's (bought through ATT) get software updates directly from MS, but firmware updates through ATT. ATT has to test and approve the firmware before it is released.

    If you take an unlocked phone and put it on ATT, it doesn't magically become an ATT branded device.
    01-11-2016 09:05 AM
  3. Krystianpants's Avatar
    LOL you still don't get it. 950XL phones on ATT have nothing to do with ATT. They were unlocked phones bought directly from MS. MS is solely in charge of updating them. People just happen to be using them on ATT.

    ATT branded 950's (bought through ATT) get software updates directly from MS, but firmware updates through ATT. ATT has to test and approve the firmware before it is released.

    If you take an unlocked phone and put it on ATT, it doesn't magically become an ATT branded device.
    Yes, but AT&T can block firmware as can any other carrier. This is because the radio stack is affected and can cause a flurry of support calls for the carrier. And that means they are wasting money and resources because of something MS pushed that they didn't approve. The only reason AT&T is testing this is because these 950 units will also be shipping out of the box with this firmware. And they want these new purchased units to work properly in all scenarios.

    MS likely notifies carriers of firmware updates and carriers decide whether they even care to test it. In this case most carriers don't have enough users on these phones to even care. I had an unlocked 830 running on Rogers and I still had to wait to get proper Denim through rogers.

    Windows OS updates can bypass carriers for the exact reason that they do not alter the radio stack, anything changing would not affect the connection to the carrier according to standards. A firmware update can even cause network outages if there are a lot of users with some firmware that is attacking their radio towers with some oddly formatted signaling messages. So again. In the future if these are more popular and require a firmware update, some carriers may need to intervene or at least MS would have to show proof of proper radio stack handling.
    01-11-2016 10:31 AM
  4. ashram's Avatar
    Yes, but AT&T can block firmware as can any other carrier. This is because the radio stack is affected and can cause a flurry of support calls for the carrier. And that means they are wasting money and resources because of something MS pushed that they didn't approve. The only reason AT&T is testing this is because these 950 units will also be shipping out of the box with this firmware. And they want these new purchased units to work properly in all scenarios.
    correct, but only to AT&T branded devices. AT&T cannot do squat to a 950 that is factory unlocked. That is where the disconnect between you and BJD223 is coming into play. your response, while it makes sense for the AT&T branded devices, it reads as if AT&T is blocking all 950's, which they can't.
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    01-11-2016 11:37 AM
  5. Nubwy's Avatar
    LOL you still don't get it. 950XL phones on ATT have nothing to do with ATT. They were unlocked phones bought directly from MS. MS is solely in charge of updating them. People just happen to be using them on ATT.

    ATT branded 950's (bought through ATT) get software updates directly from MS, but firmware updates through ATT. ATT has to test and approve the firmware before it is released.

    If you take an unlocked phone and put it on ATT, it doesn't magically become an ATT branded device.
    Is the radio stack being used on thier network? There'syour answer. just because it's unlocked doesn't mean it's exempt from ATTs network regulations and update policy. If you agree to purchase their service, you agree to submit your device updates and firmware to their schedule of release.

    The only difference is that you're not locked into only att for service.
    01-11-2016 05:31 PM
  6. Allen Rhodes's Avatar
    Is the radio stack being used on thier network? There'syour answer. just because it's unlocked doesn't mean it's exempt from ATTs network regulations and update policy. If you agree to purchase their service, you agree to submit your device updates and firmware to their schedule of release.

    The only difference is that you're not locked into only att for service.
    If this were the case, all youd need to do is remove the sim card, update over wifi. They cant block what they cant see.
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    01-11-2016 07:54 PM
  7. Krystianpants's Avatar
    correct, but only to AT&T branded devices. AT&T cannot do squat to a 950 that is factory unlocked. That is where the disconnect between you and BJD223 is coming into play. your response, while it makes sense for the AT&T branded devices, it reads as if AT&T is blocking all 950's, which they can't.
    It's not about "blocking". It's about Microsoft even being allowed to send the firmware update to users on that network. Like they stated that some things will require "carrier approval". So you can pop your sim card out, your phone was registered on that network anyways, so MS won't send it to you. Carrier blocking is as simple as not giving MS the go ahead. You have to understand that if MS screws up an agreement the carrier can block the IMEI's. There seems to be a certification process that must be passed too, as recently was revealed via the Verizon mess. MS could do the cert but doesn't and there could be reason for it. The same hardware is being used in other devices that do support verizon.
    01-12-2016 12:47 PM
  8. Jopl's Avatar
    It's not about "blocking". It's about Microsoft even being allowed to send the firmware update to users on that network. Like they stated that some things will require "carrier approval". So you can pop your sim card out, your phone was registered on that network anyways, so MS won't send it to you. Carrier blocking is as simple as not giving MS the go ahead. You have to understand that if MS screws up an agreement the carrier can block the IMEI's. There seems to be a certification process that must be passed too, as recently was revealed via the Verizon mess. MS could do the cert but doesn't and there could be reason for it. The same hardware is being used in other devices that do support verizon.
    Long story short... ATT 950's aren't getting the new firmware until ATT says so.
    01-12-2016 01:02 PM
  9. swanlee's Avatar
    Still nothing wish ATT would get their crap together or at least MS could push firmware to insider users regardless of carrier.
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    01-13-2016 11:27 AM
  10. MirthRock's Avatar
    Still nothing wish ATT would get their crap together or at least MS could push firmware to insider users regardless of carrier.
    I agree. The new insider build is quite good, but I need those damn SD card issues fixed!!! C'mon Firmware!
    01-13-2016 01:31 PM
  11. InsGadget's Avatar
    Agreed. Lost a lot of pictures before realizing the SD card was eating them for nourishment. Come on AT&T/MS.
    01-13-2016 02:39 PM
  12. kwajr's Avatar
    correct, but only to AT&T branded devices. AT&T cannot do squat to a 950 that is factory unlocked. That is where the disconnect between you and BJD223 is coming into play. your response, while it makes sense for the AT&T branded devices, it reads as if AT&T is blocking all 950's, which they can't.
    Sir you are simply wrong
    01-13-2016 03:33 PM
  13. ashram's Avatar
    Sir you are simply wrong
    To each their own.... unbranded, unlocked US 950's have already begun recieving the update, at&t branded have not.

    http://forums.windowscentral.com/mic...0/402957-3.htm

    in the end it really doesn't matter, we are still stuck waiting. (plus, this thread is the ONLY one that mentions AT&T blocking updates on non-at&t phones.)
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    01-13-2016 05:31 PM
  14. Robert Heinrich's Avatar
    AT&T 950 here, no firmware yet. I am curious as to the issues others are having with firmware version 29031. I haven't had any issues at all. Regular 950 and no freezes or reboots. My browser is very fast too, although I browse exclusively in mobile mode.

    Are there apps that lag and crash, or are we talking general OS failures that I will run into in the future? I've only had the device for about 9 days now but it works as intended.

    I've been loyal to WP due to it's stability, but if w10 is soon going to turn my device into an android glitchy device, I'm not going to be happy.
    01-13-2016 05:53 PM
  15. RuleOfSines's Avatar
    AT&T 950 here, no firmware yet. I am curious as to the issues others are having with firmware version 29031. I haven't had any issues at all. Regular 950 and no freezes or reboots. My browser is very fast too, although I browse exclusively in mobile mode.

    Are there apps that lag and crash, or are we talking general OS failures that I will run into in the future? I've only had the device for about 9 days now but it works as intended.

    I've been loyal to WP due to it's stability, but if w10 is soon going to turn my device into an android glitchy device, I'm not going to be happy.
    My biggest grievance is the camera, particularly video. Especially since the camera is one of the high features of this phone. My video capture is awful, quality is grainy and the autofocus only works some of the time. If turn on the digital stabilization, the quality actually gets worse.
    01-13-2016 06:03 PM
  16. Krystianpants's Avatar
    To each their own.... unbranded, unlocked US 950's have already begun recieving the update, at&t branded have not.

    http://forums.windowscentral.com/mic...0/402957-3.htm

    in the end it really doesn't matter, we are still stuck waiting. (plus, this thread is the ONLY one that mentions AT&T blocking updates on non-at&t phones.)
    It's not that at&t blocks it. It's Microsoft not releasing it to users without their approval. If they did they could break certification contracts and at&t could block these phones from connecting to their network. you get your phone imei's entered once phones are certified. At&t may not care about their phones that are not selling through them and just say "Go ahead". But the even the xl had to be verified and imeis added initially.

    Anyways good read. http://www.ecnmag.com/article/2012/0...n-requirements
    01-14-2016 08:32 AM
  17. swanlee's Avatar
    How does apple get away with it? All updates are pushed by them with no carrier waiting.
    01-14-2016 09:32 AM
  18. x I'm tc's Avatar
    They have a phone that people want so they twisted the carriers' arms.
    01-14-2016 10:31 AM
  19. Krystianpants's Avatar
    How does apple get away with it? All updates are pushed by them with no carrier waiting.
    Apple actually tests their updates on all carriers on their own. It's part of an agreement they made I assume.
    01-14-2016 04:25 PM
  20. anon(5383410)'s Avatar
    Outlook mail has stopped working completely and every time I open messaging it crashes. I'm also getting errors about a corrupted SD card. I hope they release some kind of fix soon, I've committed to using this for work.
    01-14-2016 08:55 PM
  21. Rising Mos's Avatar
    Outlook mail has stopped working completely and every time I open messaging it crashes. I'm also getting errors about a corrupted SD card. I hope they release some kind of fix soon, I've committed to using this for work.
    Options:
    1: If you are not an insider, join and download the latest build. This should reinstall outlook.
    2: Reset the phone.

    Also, are you sure the SD card is not defective? In any case, you will probably need to format it.
    01-14-2016 09:04 PM
  22. anon(5383410)'s Avatar
    Options:
    1: If you are not an insider, join and download the latest build. This should reinstall outlook.
    2: Reset the phone.

    Also, are you sure the SD card is not defective? In any case, you will probably need to format it.
    I'm an insider and on the latest build. As for my SD card, all my music is on it and I listen to it 4-5 days a week in the gym. It's been working fine as of this morning.
    01-14-2016 10:36 PM
  23. mariusmuntean's Avatar
    Patience my friend. I am on Orange Romania and yesterday I have received the firmware update on my 950, after 3 weeks MS released it. So just wait for it, it will come.
    01-15-2016 07:44 AM
  24. uselessrobot's Avatar
    As much as I want the update I'm almost afraid to get it. My phone has been relatively stable for over a month now and I don't want to see that get ruined with this update.
    01-15-2016 09:35 AM
  25. smartass1379's Avatar
    Has anyone checked to see if its available through WRT? I think it would show up there first.
    01-15-2016 01:10 PM
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