01-22-2016 01:02 AM
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  1. Saijin_Naib's Avatar
    Unfortunately, there is no perfect mobile OS, just one that has most of the features you like.
    webOS ;)

    But seriously, you're correct. There is no perfect software, just software that allows you to work/play as you wish so that you'll tolerate its faults and shortcomings.
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    01-19-2016 02:18 PM
  2. Zachary Boddy's Avatar
    It says something about Microsoft's support of their mobile devices when they go EOL so quickly. Not exactly a confidence booster. Anyway, the 950 is just a placeholder until the Surface Phone is released. The moment the SP is released, Microsoft will drop the 950 like third period French.
    It's actually about an average life span. The Lumia 930 lasted longer than average. And both phones are still getting software updates.
    aximtreo and libra89 like this.
    01-19-2016 09:14 PM
  3. rambo47's Avatar
    The Lumia 900 was out for a grand total of 37 days when Microsoft announced that there would be no upgrade to WP8 from the 7.5 version. 37 days with a "flagship" model before learning it was a dead end.

    As a former Lumia Icon owner I waited for months before learning the Cyan update wasn't coming at all. I waited months more for the buggy Denim update and eventually went iPhone.
    01-19-2016 11:02 PM
  4. mariusmuntean's Avatar
    The Lumia 900 was out for a grand total of 37 days when Microsoft announced that there would be no upgrade to WP8 from the 7.5 version. 37 days with a "flagship" model before learning it was a dead end.

    As a former Lumia Icon owner I waited for months before learning the Cyan update wasn't coming at all. I waited months more for the buggy Denim update and eventually went iPhone.
    No one can deny that MS had made many mistakes and still does, it's pointless to write them all here again. This thread should be about why anyone would not buy a 950, not about bugs from 930 or another of Ms's dropouts. I have owned a 930 too and yes, the quality control for the build case was horrible, the way the glass was stitched to the metal frame..made it pop out on many occasions, the overheating..etc etc 920 had issues with freezing at the beginning, 1520 had the scroll/tap issue etc etc. Yes, many had problems. But let's keep the talks in present, and offer your personal experience with a 950, if you have one..it would be more useful for a potential new user.
    01-20-2016 02:02 AM
  5. angusdegraosta's Avatar
    The 950 is the best thing Microsoft has done to date. I have one. The hardware is fine. The camera is stellar.
    01-20-2016 04:15 AM
  6. Alain_A's Avatar
    because of its price I still not comfortable to buy on line In Canada.
    01-20-2016 09:20 AM
  7. Myrkur's Avatar
    Well, I was mildly interested in the newest line-up. My L920 has started to show signs of aging, and I didn't consider L930 as a full-fledged flagship (no Glance etc.). Seeing hovewer that L950(XL) is somewhat plagued by bugs I've decided to choose a third way - that is I bought a mint-condition L930 for a fraction of a price of L950 XL. I've installed Win10M on it and... I must say I'm very happy so far.
    01-20-2016 01:20 PM
  8. richx757's Avatar
    I like my experience with Windows Phone so far, as a newbie to the operating system, and it's the first quad-core phone I ever used so yeah its pretty great. Wait, is the 640 quad core? let me check...

    OS Microsoft Windows Phone 8.1 with Lumia Denim
    Chipset Qualcomm MSM8926 Snapdragon 400
    CPU Quad-core 1.2 GHz Cortex-A7
    GPU Adreno 305



    ya, i figured it was either quad core or a quick dual core they were implementing for hardware in the lumia 640,
    so far so good though no complaints here. i havent really been using the phone intensively, i've used it for basic services such as streaming media (YouTube is kind of limited in terms of the functions), messaging (not bad), calls (i was not impressed with call quality and i have had one dropped call), and I can tell you; it's a shame that the market is not there in Thailand for Windows phone. I would suspect that iPhone is eating away at the vendor customer base in Thailand or something because so far this furtunately has been an excellent entry level product.
    01-20-2016 03:33 PM
  9. luckygeezer's Avatar
    My wife and I love our WPhones - 820 and 520. We will continue using them until 8.1 Denim fades away and dies. Our next new phones will be android. We wanted to continue our love affair with WP by buying new hardware but we no longer trust MS. Selling new phones knowing major problems exist is a huge betrayal of trust and until the MS leopard changes it's spots only diehard WP lovers will buy their products.
    01-21-2016 07:55 AM
  10. busngabb's Avatar
    My wife and I love our WPhones - 820 and 520. We will continue using them until 8.1 Denim fades away and dies. Our next new phones will be android. We wanted to continue our love affair with WP by buying new hardware but we no longer trust MS. Selling new phones knowing major problems exist is a huge betrayal of trust and until the MS leopard changes it's spots only diehard WP lovers will buy their products.
    I have a 950 and there are no major problems with it or Windows 10. Easily the best phone and OS I have used.

    Why are people who call themselves WP fans so dramatic? Android is a mess, the update scheduling is a shambles and security is a big issue. Sure Android can do more and has more apps but you will have major issues on Android, that is guaranteed.
    01-21-2016 08:11 AM
  11. Pete's Avatar
    It's perfectly fine for people to express a preference of what they wish to use, and it's ok to explore different directions.
    01-21-2016 08:24 AM
  12. luckygeezer's Avatar
    We were Nokia fans because we bought their phones and they never let us down. We bought the 820 for that reason. Then MS bought Nokia. We began to like the updates from MS culminating in the excellent 8.1 Denim. We were going to buy new MS phones shortly because we still love and will continue to use our 820 and 520 phones. Many reviewers (pocketnow is a good example) give honest appraisals of 950 and 950XL and we are fearful of buying a very expensive phone which still has such problems, despite what you say. Cheaper options to the 950 and 950XL are not available here because they have stopped making them (830 and 930) so we have tried to stay on board. We are not alone in reluctantly forming our current opinion about MS and WP - far from it! You will know that the promises of WP10 updates to older models has been postponed yet again - it is impossible to trust a company that behaves so poorly. No official statement from MS of course, just rumours - what a way to run a company! I downloaded W10 and used it for a while on my laptop because I was keen and excited to use it knowing WP10 was imminent - but that was months ago! I have grown so tired of the broken promises and continually reading WPC articles about the "imminent" updates. So we will use the tried and tested and excellent 8.1 on our 820 and 520 phones. I shall also take great delight in deleting WPC and a multitude of WP reviews - yes I thoroughly researched the topic and I am greatly unimpressed with WP and MS. MS started with a brilliant legacy - Nokia. Nokia phones were extremely popular in Thailand but because of MS blunders of marketing and imperfect products, it is extremely rare to see Lumias here now. MS has ruined the great opportunity it had. Thais expect quality goods for their hard earned money and were, and continue to be, badly let down by MS.
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    01-21-2016 09:12 AM
  13. Dan TheMan86's Avatar
    luckygeezer, could you explain your avatar picture? I don't get it. Thanks
    01-21-2016 09:50 AM
  14. Originalloverman's Avatar
    luckygeezer, could you explain your avatar picture? I don't get it. Thanks
    Looks to me the guys is looking at himself in the mirror.
    01-21-2016 10:14 AM
  15. uselessrobot's Avatar
    I don't understand this mentality that it's wrong to complain about something on which we've spent our hard-earned money. It's the details that are frustrating me about my 950, a pervasive lack of polish and affects even basic functions. I haven't experienced major problems but I do run into issues doing everyday things. Even the phone and messaging apps are affected by glitches and there are graphical artifacts all throughout.

    This is all basic stuff and things your average user will experience on a daily basis. I think most Apple products are overrated, but they definitely don't overlook these details. I see a lot of criticism here about Android phones, but I've spent some time with a Nexus phone and I think it's fantastic. I have some criticisms of the UI, but otherwise it's been a flawless experience. And I'm impressed by how fluid everything is, which of course, is a positive of the iPhone as well. The funny thing is that WP8 on my old Lumia 920 was a smoother, more stable experience, from the first day to the day I replaced it. So my 950 is being compared against that as well. Despite more powerful hardware it just doesn't measure up. Windows 10 feels like it's been outsourced, so I can't imagine how bad it was initially that all these problems still got through.

    I think the best way to put it is that Microsoft has eroded my confidence in the platform. I went from thinking the OS just needed better marketing to now feeling like it's fallen pretty far behind the competition. They might turn things around eventually, but it feels like Microsoft just can't make good, consistent strides in a positive direction. There are simply too many missteps.
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    01-21-2016 10:21 AM
  16. jfa1's Avatar
    The bugs and defects threads for the 830 and 930 on WPC (on WPC alone!) number 564 and 860 comments respectively. Huge numbers. If that doesn't suggest to you that something is not quite right with quality control, then I feel genuinely sorry for you!
    So you think calling someone a MS employee is asinine? Well what do you call people who deliberately sell faulty expensive phones then? Sticks and stones may break bones but words never hurt anyone! MS should not sell products which are unreliable because that has the potential to cause harm.
    Good grief! That's why the 830 and 930 are expensive! MS should make the time to check products they sell to customers! Faulty battery so not the fault of MS? Nonsense! Check it first and only use batteries which are not faulty!

    You seem to be ultra sensitive GMj. I didn't call you an MS employee did I? Why so aggressive? You seem to speak for MS because you know so much about their production line techniques! Are you a MS employee? It wouldn't be surprising considering the close links between WPC and MS! Don't be so naive. People write about Windows phones on WPC because they realise that it might be a way to communicate with MS, like writing an open letter to a newspaper. Get with it GMj and calm down. Why are you so defensive? You cannot possibly defend what cannot be defended all by yourself.
    Well MS has an app for communicating with them it's called feedback. We know that they listen to the feedback because that's what they use to make adaptations to hardware and software. Just talking about it here is no guarantee that MS is listening. They probably don't read letters sent to them about problems.
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    01-21-2016 11:55 AM
  17. busngabb's Avatar
    I don't understand this mentality that it's wrong to complain about something on which we've spent our hard-earned money. It's the details that are frustrating me about my 950, a pervasive lack of polish and affects even basic functions. I haven't experienced major problems but I do run into issues doing everyday things. Even the phone and messaging apps are affected by glitches and there are graphical artifacts all throughout.

    This is all basic stuff and things your average user will experience on a daily basis. I think most Apple products are overrated, but they definitely don't overlook these details. I see a lot of criticism here about Android phones, but I've spent some time with a Nexus phone and I think it's fantastic.
    Graphical artifacts? I genuinely don't get anything like that or the restarts people complain about. The only thing I have spotted is that Cortana is utter rubbish in the UK. There was a batch of 950s that had issues and were recalled, perhaps it is those causing the major issues reported? Maybe some of those escaped somehow.

    The Nexus thing I agree with, Nexus devices are superb. But you don't get a comparable experience with LG, HTC or Samsung devices. I have a HTC M8 that I use for Showbox and Chromecast streaming and that is two major Android updates behind yet says it is up to date.
    01-21-2016 12:29 PM
  18. Michael Papadopoulos's Avatar
    I had a Lumia 920. I decided to get the 950 as a replacement.
    When I bought it (just before Christmas) the camera was terrible (too much noise in low light), the battery was worse from what I had in the 920 and NO FM radio (that killed me).
    After that I told that my next phone will be Android.

    After 1 month...
    The camera was fixed (needs more, but now takes ok pictures), the battery (after cutting staff I don't want) can reach 36 hours with my use.
    Now I only need firmware with the fm radio enabled and I will be a very happy camper.
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    01-21-2016 12:42 PM
  19. patcherd's Avatar
    The 950 is the best thing Microsoft has done to date. I have one. The hardware is fine. The camera is stellar.
    I agree wholeheartedly. I'm running the .29 release. In the 2 months I had this phone, other than several random restarts the phone performs smoothly. Very satisfied.
    01-21-2016 01:40 PM
  20. uselessrobot's Avatar
    Well MS has an app for communicating with them it's called feedback. We know that they listen to the feedback because that's what they use to make adaptations to hardware and software. Just talking about it here is no guarantee that MS is listening. They probably don't read letters sent to them about problems.
    You're making the incorrect assumption that I don't provide feedback to Microsoft.
    01-21-2016 02:32 PM
  21. Muzz96's Avatar
    Did you seriously not re-read your own post then think about it even a little bit?

    "Cheaper options to the 950 and 950XL are not available here because they have stopped making them (830 and 930)" - You mean like the 640 and 640XL? Or the 650 coming out, or the 550...

    "You will know that the promises of WP10 updates to older models has been postponed yet again - it is impossible to trust a company that behaves so poorly." - Wait a second. Later on you say "No official statement from MS of course". So, there has been no official statement yet you are complaining about promises of WP10 updates to older models being postponed yet again. Promises from whom? You are listening to rumours and going around treating them (and complaining about them) as if they were fact. Microsoft has no made you any promise, they have not broken any promises yet you are coming out with rubbish like "it is impossible to trust a company that behaves so poorly". Behaves so poorly? You mean by not meeting deadlines they didn't set?

    "No official statement from MS of course, just rumours - what a way to run a company!" - No, it is the correct way to run a company. If you wish to believe what you even admit to being rumours as fact then that is your problem.

    "I have grown so tired of the broken promises" - Yet again. What promises have Microsoft (and not your rumour buddies) actually made and broken?
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    01-21-2016 02:40 PM
  22. uselessrobot's Avatar
    Graphical artifacts? I genuinely don't get anything like that or the restarts people complain about.
    I don't want to get into detail because it's not relevant to my point. But here are a few examples:
    • Very frequently, icons take an extra half second to appear. Sometimes nothing appears for a few months.
    • Sometimes those lock screen icons flicker momentarily.
    • In settings the grey background flickers when switching menus.
    • I haven't seen it in a while, but sometimes the background on the home screen shifts slightly.
    • The weather icons in the app tile are obviously low res and ugly.
    • Transitions aren't always smooth.


    Some people will argue that these are minor, but the fact remains that I had none of these issues in WP8. That lock screen was always instantly responsive and everything popped up the instant I hit the power button. This is not the case on my 950.

    System crashes for me are rare, but they have happened. More frequently I'll have individual apps crash, Messaging being one of them. And that being a core system app it should never crash.

    Then are are clumsy implementations. Like the poorly placed proximity sensor so that when you're trying to hit the top row of numbers on a call an errant finger will cause the screen to go dark. That might easily be addressed with a bit of tweaking to minimize sensitivity, but it surprises me such basic things weren't caught and addressed. The details really do matter.

    I do agree that LG, HTC and Samsung ruin the Android experience. But the OS straight from Android is very good. Just like Windows 10 straight from Microsoft should be equally good.
    01-21-2016 02:56 PM
  23. 9520G's Avatar
    Windowa used to be a solid platform, it was o lag. Now with my lumia 950 it brings me back to my webOS days and that is NOT good.
    01-21-2016 03:28 PM
  24. luckygeezer's Avatar
    Muzz you are just determined to trash my comments but you will not succeed. 640 and 640XL? Why mention them? We looked at high end phones 830 and 930. The 640 and 640XL don't have the cameras and other specs my wife wants. We want to replace our 820! 830 and 930 were the natural replacements. Don't try to deliberately muddy the waters.
    Do you deny that the updates to older phones have been expected? The reports on WPC exist so please read them.The most recent was just yesterday on WPC saying the updates will be postponed to the end of February. Previous reports on WPC suggested December then January. This is an important issue to people. MS should state the dates when updates will be going out and keep to those dates. This will help everyone. Having a go at me is not sensible.
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    01-21-2016 08:04 PM
  25. gordonfink's Avatar
    To the OP - you are certainly entitled to your opinions. I am not in any way affiliated with MS, just so you know.

    I have owned probably 50 830's, two of which were daily drivers for long periods of time. I have also owned more than a dozen 930's, two of which were daily drivers for extended periods of time. In case you are interested, I have also daily driven the HTC One M8, 920, 640 and currently 950XL. I have used 1520's, and owned maybe 30-40 of them.

    Of all of these phones, about the only issue I have had is phantom touch, and that was on 2 1520's.

    Now, I may not know air about phones, that is quite possible. But, if they are junk as you say, I would suspect that I would have seen that by now.

    Just because it is YOUR closely held opinion does not make it true. After owning more than 100 of the models in question, I feel like I have some knowledge base.

    BTW - I have owned and repaired probably 100 iphones, and maybe 100 Samsung Galaxies. I don't think any of them are junk, and failure rates, in my own personal experience, seems comparable.
    libra89, ashram and RumoredNow like this.
    01-21-2016 08:20 PM
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