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  1. Rosebank's Avatar
    I honestly feel like W10M is dead.
    Thanks to everyone who posted back with workarounds - I appreciate it. The Windows Central community is by far the best community out there. It's a shame we've all had to put up with this treatment. Cheers guys...
    Reading through this thread/forum post has been very informative and I have learned a few things, I have not noticed any of the issues raised and if I did I really would be upset, odd how some folks get a really rough ride and others don't, the main reason I bought the phone was for the camera and sharing the images etc, I knew the app issue would be a problem but I was prepared to accept that, no VPN wow, that really is terrible, Reading this thread has given me concern actually and has made me consider my future but for now I am happy with my L950, I want 1 more year from my phone, might even hesitate and stay on .448 until I read reports on stability, then update 3 or 4 weeks later, then again it might be pot luck (or bad luck) who gets silly glitches and issues, this brings me onto a question>>
    If I was to stay on .448 would this affect updating the apps as and when there are updates for them? I might stay on .448 for the next year avoiding anything nasty and getting the 1 year from the phone.
    anyway I wish the OP all the best and thanks for a great post under such circumstances.
    11-28-2016 10:40 AM
  2. Shamshi-Adad's Avatar
    In terms of app quantity and general availability this may be true, although there will always be gaps. However this misses a key factor that is vital in the user experience and that is the quality of apps. Unfortunately some of the W10M apps are plain awful, and this is made worse by the fact that there aren't so many to choose from.
    PLUS:
    There's a big gap: all the bank apps, all the store apps, and more bailing out every day. When outfits like Ebay and Amazon dump an OS, a LOT of people consider that a LOT more than just a little ole 'inconvenience'.

    Peace. Alan
    Even when I lose, I win.
    Galaxy S7Edge [MM6.0.1] Full Dresser
    Lumia ICON [Win10M 14965.1001] Sportster
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    11-28-2016 10:46 AM
  3. sidtek50's Avatar
    Reading through this thread/forum post has been very informative and I have learned a few things, I have not noticed any of the issues raised and if I did I really would be upset, odd how some folks get a really rough ride and others don't, the main reason I bought the phone was for the camera and sharing the images etc, I knew the app issue would be a problem but I was prepared to accept that, no VPN wow, that really is terrible, Reading this thread has given me concern actually and has made me consider my future but for now I am happy with my L950, I want 1 more year from my phone, might even hesitate and stay on .448 until I read reports on stability, then update 3 or 4 weeks later, then again it might be pot luck (or bad luck) who gets silly glitches and issues, this brings me onto a question>>
    If I was to stay on .448 would this affect updating the apps as and when there are updates for them? I might stay on .448 for the next year avoiding anything nasty and getting the 1 year from the phone.
    anyway I wish the OP all the best and thanks for a great post under such circumstances.
    Thanks Rosebank. You can actually test the VPN now - if you've got the anniversary update installed, download 'Hotspot Shield' which is a free VPN and also has a paid option. When you try to run it, it will not start the VPN. This is because whatever Microsoft have done in the Anniversary update has stopped 3rd party VPNs being allowed to run. It's shocking that Microsoft release these updates without so much as checking them to see if they stop any functionality. Stopping a VPN from working entirely seems to me like they've either messed up, or really tightened up their security.
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    11-28-2016 11:44 AM
  4. Rosebank's Avatar
    Thanks Rosebank. You can actually test the VPN now - if you've got the anniversary update installed, download 'Hotspot Shield' which is a free VPN and also has a paid option. When you try to run it, it will not start the VPN.
    I tried it and yes, it fails to work. I think you might need to actually input the VPN settings manually into the Phone, the apps clearly are nothing but garbage... you would need to obtain the VPN settings from the provider then insert them, No clue if it would work? sadly I think the chances are they wont?? :-(
    11-28-2016 11:58 AM
  5. mark233's Avatar
    It's a bummer that the experience seems to be so varied with the 950. :/
    I've noticed this too. It's as if these devices were put together with some kind of schizophrenic assembly line lol.
    ...My 950 just chugs along day in and day out with no harrowing issues. It's disappointing to see some users get ahold of a Lumia Lucifer. :-/
    11-28-2016 12:27 PM
  6. Shamshi-Adad's Avatar
    I've noticed this too. It's as if these devices were put together with some kind of schizophrenic assembly line lol.
    ...My 950 just chugs along day in and day out with no harrowing issues. It's disappointing to see some users get ahold of a Lumia Lucifer. :-/
    I've got the feeling that it's MOSTLY people who got involved with the Insider Releases and then bailed out. I hear them say Nah that's not it I went back to the Anniversary Release and its buggy too. Well , ..."DUHHH!!!" How bout a Factory Reset? OH NO! No one wants to do that its too much bother.

    So I lurk and I laugh and I'll contribute a tip when I can, but there's a LOT of machismo goin' on with those guys. Ain't no gittin' around THAT!

    Peace. Alan
    Galaxy S7Edge [MM6.0.1] Full Dresser
    Lumia ICON [Win10M 14965.1001] Sportster
    Even when I lose, I win.
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    11-28-2016 12:57 PM
  7. sidtek50's Avatar
    I've got the feeling that it's MOSTLY people who got involved with the Insider Releases and then bailed out. I hear them say Nah that's not it I went back to the Anniversary Release and its buggy too. Well , ..."DUHHH!!!" How bout a Factory Reset? OH NO! No one wants to do that its too much bother.

    So I lurk and I laugh and I'll contribute a tip when I can, but there's a LOT of machismo goin' on with those guys. Ain't no gittin' around THAT!
    I was thinking this - but I did soft resets. I did hard resets. I erased the phone. I also downloaded the Windows Recovery Tool and downloaded and re-installed W10M. I still got the same issues so I decided enough was enough.
    11-28-2016 01:16 PM
  8. dnbrealm's Avatar
    You are right to leave the Lumia, I've had numerous reboots and crashes but unfortunately I've got no choice to hope future builds make the phone better.
    11-28-2016 01:20 PM
  9. Shamshi-Adad's Avatar
    I was thinking this - but I did soft resets. I did hard resets. I erased the phone. I also downloaded the Windows Recovery Tool and downloaded and re-installed W10M. I still got the same issues so I decided enough was enough.
    I didn't mean to rule out the genuine, right off the assembly line, quirky 950/950XL(s) . There is a lot of bad units out there. What in the world is Microsoft DOING?
    I wanted a 950XL so bad but couldn't cause I'm stuck with VZW so "I" bailed to Android. (In keeping with, "Even when I lose, I win.") lol But I still got my absolutely no problems Sportster ICON

    Peace. Alan
    Galaxy S7Edge [MM6.0.1] Full Dresser
    Lumia ICON [Win10M 14965.1001] Sportster
    Even when I lose, I win.
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    11-28-2016 02:36 PM
  10. xrs22's Avatar
    Anybody else have a problem taking a pic and the phone shuts completely off? I may WRT and go to slow ring, which I've done before because of glitches with the fast ring. Or wait a little longer and buy the idol 4s to use with att.
    11-29-2016 07:39 PM
  11. TgeekB's Avatar
    I've noticed this too. It's as if these devices were put together with some kind of schizophrenic assembly line lol.
    ...My 950 just chugs along day in and day out with no harrowing issues. It's disappointing to see some users get ahold of a Lumia Lucifer. :-/
    Agree. I believe people are having issues and feel lucky I am not. I'm on slow ring and enjoying this device to the fullest.

    Sent from mTalk
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    11-29-2016 08:23 PM
  12. obakir's Avatar
    Good choice. I'm going to make a move myself soon. uber app crashes, right after you call an uber car. It logs you out. Then it doesn't let you log back in. I even uninstalled and installed the app again during this time period. no luck. You cannot see who your driver is or which car they drive until someone arrives with their car and yells your name.

    If you do not use your phone for uber of course this doesn't bother you. Since you do not use uber on you windows phone it doesn't bother uber developers as well. If you are a vanilla smart phone user, yes this is the perfect phone for you.

    Also i forgot to mention, one note, it has been 6 updates. And it still doesn't sync... :)) such an echo system, nothing is in sync.
    11-29-2016 09:14 PM
  13. fatclue_98's Avatar
    Anybody else have a problem taking a pic and the phone shuts completely off? I may WRT and go to slow ring, which I've done before because of glitches with the fast ring. Or wait a little longer and buy the idol 4s to use with att.
    The Idol won't give you the imaging prowess you're accustomed to with the Lumia but it's a far better device as far as performance is concerned and the speakers will impress you like no other phone. Plus it's drop dead gorgeous. But get a case, it's a fingerprint magnet of the first order.
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    11-29-2016 09:46 PM
  14. TgeekB's Avatar
    Good choice. I'm going to make a move myself soon. uber app crashes, right after you call an uber car. It logs you out. Then it doesn't let you log back in. I even uninstalled and installed the app again during this time period. no luck. You cannot see who your driver is or which car they drive until someone arrives with their car and yells your name.

    If you do not use your phone for uber of course this doesn't bother you. Since you do not use uber on you windows phone it doesn't bother uber developers as well. If you are a vanilla smart phone user, yes this is the perfect phone for you.

    Also i forgot to mention, one note, it has been 6 updates. And it still doesn't sync... :)) such an echo system, nothing is in sync.
    No I'm not an Uber user, but I understand that if it's important to you you need it to work well. If I had these types of needs I would probably stick with Android.

    Sent from mTalk
    11-29-2016 09:48 PM
  15. mattiasnyc's Avatar
    It's a bummer that the experience seems to be so varied with the 950. :/
    I think the fact that it is so varied points to the OS probably not being the issue, and neither the phone. We can confirm some issues, such as how to send an image one just took via email/sms, but if some people don't have the same problems on the same version of OS etc then the issue lies elsewhere. So while I understand that it's super-annoying that the keyboard freezes, if it doesn't freeze for me then clearly the problem lies outside of my version of the OS and apps.
    11-29-2016 11:10 PM
  16. mattiasnyc's Avatar
    Anybody else have a problem taking a pic and the phone shuts completely off? I may WRT and go to slow ring, which I've done before because of glitches with the fast ring. Or wait a little longer and buy the idol 4s to use with att.
    So you're on the fast ring?

    People should be required to use a sig or place the version they're using somewhere where everyone can see them. It's of essentially no use to report issues without defining hardware and software versions.
    11-29-2016 11:13 PM
  17. mattiasnyc's Avatar
    I was thinking this - but I did soft resets. I did hard resets. I erased the phone. I also downloaded the Windows Recovery Tool and downloaded and re-installed W10M. I still got the same issues so I decided enough was enough.
    So, just for the heck of it I actually looked at some of the issues you reported before, and I found this:

    Screen too bright - maybe I'm the only one who feels this but for me, the screen is blindingly bright, even on the darkest setting. If anything, this is why I'll probably sell the phone on. I keep getting headaches. Again, like iOS, we need a brightness slider. Not a % or darkest/brightest button - the lack of logic from Microsoft astounds me.

    There are probably more things but for now, if that was sorted, I'd be extremely happy!
    Ok, so first of all when I set mine to 0% it's definitely dimmed. Like, in a dark room it's usable, outside impossible. So if your phone was "blindingly bright" at 0% then there's something wrong with it. I have no idea what, but something isn't working the way it should.

    Secondly, I've had the slider available since day-1. I just pull down the whateveritscalled from the top, press and hold the screen brightness tile, and it takes me to the "Display" page of the settings. At the very top is a slider that adjusts level from 0 to max. So, again, I don't know what's going on with your phone, but if you've done a minimal bit of research on such a basic setting you'd have seen it was available, and if you did and can't find it, then something is very, very wrong with your phone.

    Incidentally, long-pressing on any of the tiles/buttons takes you to the respective settings-entry for that function. I have the Wi-Fi "tile" there and press-holding it takes me to the "Wi-Fi" page in settings. Easy and convenient, and actually intuitive.

    So, none of the above is meant to criticize you, just point out that you either got a spectacular dud of a phone, or you inadvertently did something to it that damaged it, or you're misunderstanding how parts of the phone is used. When users miss features or misunderstand functionality or get on the fast ring without disclosing it or some other way end up with a "non-official" setup and then subsequently post their frustrating experiences then it all adds up to an image of a basically disastrous phone. I'm not saying I don't find some omissions bizarre, or some issues annoying, but the complaints I see really make me suspicious. It can't possibly be the case that so many users have experiences that are truly as bad as the words they use and I don't even have half the issues they describe. It just makes little sense to me.
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    11-29-2016 11:30 PM
  18. libra89's Avatar
    I think the fact that it is so varied points to the OS probably not being the issue, and neither the phone. We can confirm some issues, such as how to send an image one just took via email/sms, but if some people don't have the same problems on the same version of OS etc then the issue lies elsewhere. So while I understand that it's super-annoying that the keyboard freezes, if it doesn't freeze for me then clearly the problem lies outside of my version of the OS and apps.
    It's a fair point, but there are a good number of users who have had random restarts (myself included), even with the AU update. Just like how there are a number of users who never experienced that either. I hope for better stability to come, and no I never joined any Insider rings.
    11-29-2016 11:36 PM
  19. obakir's Avatar
    Second week after I got the phone, it restarted in the middle of a phone conversation! There's nothing more shameful then this for a 'phone' when it was Nokia, vital parts of the 'phone' was basically bulletproof. I only got this phone thinking it's going to be better, much better than 8.1. So far this is a joke. I can't say a single app that I have no major problems with.
    Keyboard become so bad. Why is it so slow?? In every single app it is slow. at this very moment it is slow. 8.1 had the best keyboard among every platforms. Ipad/iphone/android they all become better. But with windows 10 it's going worse. Why? This is bad management, nothing else.
    11-30-2016 02:03 AM
  20. Brandon Hobart's Avatar
    Tbh it would probably be best to look for a deal and then buy the phone so you can give it a test run
    Yeah, you are right... But if the mobile is faulty, it does not come up instantly during the trial period. The fault always appears once after you have paid for it and then you keep on running behind the manufacturer to fix it or return it.
    11-30-2016 03:11 AM
  21. agaskew's Avatar
    I've got the feeling that it's MOSTLY people who got involved with the Insider Releases and then bailed out. I hear them say Nah that's not it I went back to the Anniversary Release and its buggy too. Well , ..."DUHHH!!!" How bout a Factory Reset? OH NO! No one wants to do that its too much bother.

    So I lurk and I laugh and I'll contribute a tip when I can, but there's a LOT of machismo goin' on with those guys. Ain't no gittin' around THAT!

    Peace. Alan
    Galaxy S7Edge [MM6.0.1] Full Dresser
    Lumia ICON [Win10M 14965.1001] Sportster
    Even when I lose, I win.
    Nope, no insider builds here, this is a vanilla device. And it refuses to shut down.
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    11-30-2016 04:14 AM
  22. sidtek50's Avatar
    So, just for the heck of it I actually looked at some of the issues you reported before, and I found this:



    Ok, so first of all when I set mine to 0% it's definitely dimmed. Like, in a dark room it's usable, outside impossible. So if your phone was "blindingly bright" at 0% then there's something wrong with it. I have no idea what, but something isn't working the way it should.

    Secondly, I've had the slider available since day-1. I just pull down the whateveritscalled from the top, press and hold the screen brightness tile, and it takes me to the "Display" page of the settings. At the very top is a slider that adjusts level from 0 to max. So, again, I don't know what's going on with your phone, but if you've done a minimal bit of research on such a basic setting you'd have seen it was available, and if you did and can't find it, then something is very, very wrong with your phone.

    Incidentally, long-pressing on any of the tiles/buttons takes you to the respective settings-entry for that function. I have the Wi-Fi "tile" there and press-holding it takes me to the "Wi-Fi" page in settings. Easy and convenient, and actually intuitive.

    So, none of the above is meant to criticize you, just point out that you either got a spectacular dud of a phone, or you inadvertently did something to it that damaged it, or you're misunderstanding how parts of the phone is used. When users miss features or misunderstand functionality or get on the fast ring without disclosing it or some other way end up with a "non-official" setup and then subsequently post their frustrating experiences then it all adds up to an image of a basically disastrous phone. I'm not saying I don't find some omissions bizarre, or some issues annoying, but the complaints I see really make me suspicious. It can't possibly be the case that so many users have experiences that are truly as bad as the words they use and I don't even have half the issues they describe. It just makes little sense to me.
    I'll explain it a bit better because i've probably not explained it well enough in another thread. I *did* see the slider setting - what I was saying was, the Lumia 950 has a drop down menu where you can select 0, 25, 75 and 100% brightness. At night, even 0% is too bright. W10M doesn't have night-mode unlike iOS and android - hence the reason i'm saying even 0% is too bright when it's pitch black outside/inside the house. The slider IS available on W10M if you go through a series of menus. What I was saying, is that the slider should be there by default on the first drop-down menu - not hidden away. It's just....well, stupid. It's a really dumb decision for Microsoft to not have it on the initial drop-down menu.

    If you have an iOS 10 device with the lowest brightness and night-mode on, then the Lumia 950 on 0% - the Lumia will be much brighter. That was my point. But that wasn't really enough to make me return the phone. I had numerous issues with the OS itself that forced me to return the handset.
    11-30-2016 09:36 AM
  23. xrs22's Avatar
    The Idol won't give you the imaging prowess you're accustomed to with the Lumia but it's a far better device as far as performance is concerned and the speakers will impress you like no other phone. Plus it's drop dead gorgeous. But get a case, it's a fingerprint magnet of the first order.
    Yeah, I checked it out at two and was the ttts, though there was no music to listen through the speakers. For that price too! The camera was slow when I was snapping shots but its new and will probably get fixed.
    11-30-2016 10:58 AM
  24. xrs22's Avatar
    So you're on the fast ring?

    People should be required to use a sig or place the version they're using somewhere where everyone can see them. It's of essentially no use to report issues without defining hardware and software versions.
    I sent the suggestion in already and searched for similar but didn't find anything close to mine.
    11-30-2016 11:00 AM
  25. Shamshi-Adad's Avatar
    Nope, no insider builds here, this is a vanilla device. And it refuses to shut down.
    See my post # 59 just above.

    Peace. Alan
    Galaxy S7Edge [MM6.0.1] Full Dresser
    Lumia ICON [Win10M 14965.1001] Sportster
    Even when I lose, I win.
    11-30-2016 11:13 AM
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