1. GhostEchelon's Avatar
    I been giving some thought about windows 10 on ARM x86. Now I know the 808 won't handle it. What I wonder though what would happen to WM10? Any insights on the subject?
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    12-12-2016 11:23 PM
  2. mweflen's Avatar
    Worst case, they debut a Surface Phone in 2017 that is incompatible, and basically sunset W10M with no upgrade path (you know, like WP7?).

    Best case, they debut a Surface Phone in 2017 or 2018 and try their best to keep UWP going, getting apps for the Surface that can still be run on W10M.

    Probable case, they try to do both half-*** and fail at both.
    12-12-2016 11:30 PM
  3. xandros9's Avatar
    While all we can really do is predict and guess, I would think mweflen has got it down mostly.

    I would expect quite some time to past before Windows 10 on ARM becomes even possible on mobile. And if it does, I would probably expect some new "Surface Phone" or whatever to make headlines while current W10M devices are either quickly forgotten or slowly forgotten with tapered off support and no path forward.
    Or as a third potential option, W10M persists on midrange and lower-end devices for a long time. MS has a lot of work ahead of it regardless.
    12-12-2016 11:46 PM
  4. Ibodnano's Avatar
    Why would you want to run full PC Windows on small sized phone? Mobile Windows UI is already good on my Lumia 950.
    12-13-2016 09:50 AM
  5. milkyway's Avatar
    Why would you want to run full PC Windows on small sized phone? Mobile Windows UI is already good on my Lumia 950.
    Yes, but now they can port the UI of W10M to the full W10. So you would have the exact same UI on your phone while on the road but the full W10 when you are in Continuum
    12-13-2016 10:20 AM
  6. GhostEchelon's Avatar
    I watch the keynote and I keep thinking if the 810 is the bare minime based on what that guy said though*based on that video I see it has a 820 showing it off.. Though im assuming none of the phones as in the Lumia 950/XL let alone the HP x3 could handle it due to the fact of not mainly the ram of both devices though the*storage cause doesn't windows 10 require like 30gb of storage if im not mistaken?
    12-14-2016 03:37 AM
  7. milkyway's Avatar
    I watch the keynote and I keep thinking if the 810 is the bare minime based on what that guy said though*based on that video I see it has a 820 showing it off.. Though im assuming none of the phones as in the Lumia 950/XL let alone the HP x3 could handle it due to the fact of not mainly the ram of both devices though the*storage cause doesn't windows 10 require like 30gb of storage if im not mistaken?
    No phone which is now available will get the full W10. You would have to flash the OS to your phone because an OTA update would not be possible. MS would not to that.

    ad Storage: That's why the Surface Phone/Mobile/whatever will probably come with at least 128 GB storage
    12-14-2016 07:14 AM
  8. milkyway's Avatar
    I watch the keynote and I keep thinking if the 810 is the bare minime based on what that guy said though*based on that video I see it has a 820 showing it off.. Though im assuming none of the phones as in the Lumia 950/XL let alone the HP x3 could handle it due to the fact of not mainly the ram of both devices though the*storage cause doesn't windows 10 require like 30gb of storage if im not mistaken?
    No phone which is now available will get the full W10. You would have to flash the OS to your phone because an OTA update would not be possible. MS would not to that.

    ad Storage: That's why the Surface Phone/Mobile/whatever will probably come with at least 128 GB storage
    12-14-2016 07:15 AM
  9. mattiasnyc's Avatar
    Why would you want to run full PC Windows on small sized phone? Mobile Windows UI is already good on my Lumia 950.
    I think there could be cases where it would be beneficial, although it certainly depends. In my case, as a media content producer, I can actually think of a few cases where loading up the full software I use to change some media I've created would be easier than carrying a laptop with me, because the laptop is bigger (duh). It would possibly take longer and drain my phone of battery, but it might still be worth it for the few cases it might happen (and there have been such cases). However;

    Yes, but now they can port the UI of W10M to the full W10. So you would have the exact same UI on your phone while on the road but the full W10 when you are in Continuum
    It would seem to me that the drawback would be that you're running a "heavy" OS on a "light" device, so if this lighter device is designed to be energy efficient, what happens when you've got this 'massive' OS running all the time? In other words, generally speaking, I would think that we have mobile OS' for a good reason, and that reason won't go away. With a faster better performing CPU in our phone - IF the energy usage is lower - we get to choose:

    - heavier software / hardware usage
    - longer battery life (etc)

    For a mobile device I'm not sure the answer is that clear (although clearly users generally want both all the time even though they can't get it).
    12-14-2016 09:01 AM
  10. mattiasnyc's Avatar
    Dual-Boot?....
    12-14-2016 09:04 AM
  11. Ibodnano's Avatar
    Full Win10 come to ARM, hopefully Win10M stays and UWP grows
    12-14-2016 09:38 AM
  12. Rosebank's Avatar
    Or as a third potential option, W10M persists on midrange and lower-end devices for a long time. MS has a lot of work ahead of it regardless.
    I have read a report that this is their plan, W10M will remain for lower end devices. I think we have at least another 2 years of W10M or longer? Depends on other Companies like Alcatel continuing to use the OS.
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    12-14-2016 10:10 AM
  13. Ariel Takom's Avatar
    Tbh, as some of the comments above mentioned, I don't think the tablet mode UI of Windows 10 would suit the small sized screens of smartphones. I've tried the tablet mode on various W10 touch-capable devices (albeit I don't own one. Tried it from the shops and using friend's tablets), and I must say that the W10 Tablet UI would only make sense for a large screen since it looks aesthetically pleasing with all the correct spacing between the apps and other UI elements. Simply put, it looks nice, clean, and easily readable on a large screen.

    From this POV, if we were to assume that Microsoft would ditch W10M and load a full-fledged W10 OS on a < 6" mobile devices, thus I'd imagine they'll only scale down the W10 Tablet UI to fit the smaller device, and this will result in either:

    1) UI looks nice and clean, but not easily readable (very small text, etc.)
    2) UI looks clean and easily readable, but not nice (maybe only show limited number of apps on the screen at any given time. Infinite scrolling, anyone?)
    3) UI looks nice and easily readable, but not clean (cramped af)

    The above is just my opinion as I assume MS will only load the smaller devices with a full-fledged W10 OS. What I hope MS would do, with regards to W10M is simply this: Innovate and integrate W10M's interface to fit the W10 UI. What I'm saying is basically to allow the mobile devices, presumably smartphones with a W10 OS, to still be running the full-fledged W10, but the UI shows as if the phone's running W10M when in phone mode, and only show the actual W10 desktop UI that we all know and love when in Continuum mode.

    Think of the W10M interface as a re-skin of the W10 desktop OS, just as how people use Rain Meter to customize their desktop UI even though it is running a proper W10 OS! Win-win IMO.
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    12-14-2016 11:32 AM
  14. techiez's Avatar
    Worst case, they debut a Surface Phone in 2017 that is incompatible, and basically sunset W10M with no upgrade path (you know, like WP7?).

    Best case, they debut a Surface Phone in 2017 or 2018 and try their best to keep UWP going, getting apps for the Surface that can still be run on W10M.

    Probable case, they try to do both half-*** and fail at both.

    As they have given up on mobile, so option 1 seems likely, W10M goes down the road same as Win7 , Surface RT etc
    12-14-2016 01:01 PM
  15. Nate W's Avatar
    Everything is moving to 3 in 1 or 2 in 1 as far as portable devices are concerned. I'm not certain what will happen to W10M OS, but I can see it getting absorbed some how.
    12-14-2016 01:13 PM
  16. MDK22's Avatar
    I think we're all losing sight of the fact that x86 apps were going to run thru an emulator ...
    At least that's what I read, initially.
    Thus, launch the emulator (an app) to run an x86 (or x64) app on your mobile device (hopefully plugged in / larger battery),then shutdown the app / emulator ... still running WM10.

    This being said, I don't have the latest info.

    ... and don't count the HP EliteX3 out of this, the secret word is ... Pogo Pins.

    Possibly adding RAM or ...
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    12-14-2016 03:33 PM
  17. mattiasnyc's Avatar
    As they have given up on mobile,
    They haven't.
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    12-14-2016 07:44 PM
  18. milkyway's Avatar
    Well, there's a patent swirling around for running 2 OS at the same time (owned by Samsung). Maybe you could run W10M while you are on the road and W10 while you are in Continuum. Or you could just use Dual Boot
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    12-15-2016 02:19 AM
  19. Shamshi-Adad's Avatar
    Well, there's a patent swirling around for running 2 OS at the same time (owned by Samsung). Maybe you could run W10M while you are on the road and W10 while you are in Continuum. Or you could just use Dual Boot
    That would all be sooooo cooolllll

    EDIT>>>>> MAN!!!!!! I would LOVE THAT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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    12-15-2016 07:04 PM
  20. Chemy JMHT's Avatar
    Not related with the UI but more with the chances of the WM10, maybe the next devices will be separated in two, one line of devices running WM10 and the other running a full pc version with different UI to fit the size of a mobile device.

    So it should might be the Surface line (the High end or Desktop like) and the Lumia (the mobile and mid range line).
    12-16-2016 05:22 PM
  21. milkyway's Avatar
    Not related with the UI but more with the chances of the WM10, maybe the next devices will be separated in two, one line of devices running WM10 and the other running a full pc version with different UI to fit the size of a mobile device.

    So it should might be the Surface line (the High end or Desktop like) and the Lumia (the mobile and mid range line).
    I don't think so. MS would repeat the disaster (confusion) they created with Windows RT. Also there won't be any Lumias any more. They said so themselves. Surface is only for the high end so only other manufacters could maybe produce low end phones with W10M
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    12-17-2016 07:42 AM
  22. mattiasnyc's Avatar
    I don't think so. MS would repeat the disaster (confusion) they created with Windows RT. Also there won't be any Lumias any more. They said so themselves.
    They could change their mind of course. Seems like it's mostly an issue of branding at this point.

    Surface is only for the high end so only other manufacters could maybe produce low end phones with W10M
    On the other hand it's entirely possible for MS to create a Surface Phone that is a high end device running W10M, and for 3rd parties to do the same. The only question really is what "high end device" means. To me the X3 seems "high end". In 2017 using a fairly simple definition it should be fairly "easy" to maintain a higher end line by updating the CPU and memory. Granted, swapping screens or cameras is probably more work, but I would argue that those who are currently or recently seriously considered the X3, 950XL or even 950 would in the future consider essentially the same phone with better specs.
    12-17-2016 10:50 AM

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