12-12-2012 02:01 PM
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  1. mlm1950's Avatar
    I understand what you are trying to say...
    The only thing that bugs me is that Nokia is silent... no big numbers, no reasons, just silence... At least when the iPhone is backordered they say, "The demand is so high that we cannot produce that much phones, give us time"
    But again if the numbers aren't so high and Nokia cannot produce enough phones then it would be a huge failure for a once #1 phone maker... I guess we'll have to wait for Nokia to give us the reason why..
    Exactly. The real issue is the complete silence from all the major players involved with the launch of WP8.
    11-20-2012 01:14 PM
  2. HeyCori's Avatar
    no I'm pretty certain that if WP7 had caught on they wouldn't have changed direction midcourse and dumped WP7 users so hard.

    That is off topic though...we are in the present now. Microsoft botched hardware makers by making them wait for RTM, then making WP8 release after W8 as a footnote.

    You NEVER EVER go into a black friday weekend with no product. EVER.
    You're still saying this and it's STILL wrong. WP8 went RTM in mid-Sept, well over a month before the release of the 920. It's Nokia's fault for not building enough supply. However, you don't seem apt to change your opinion when confronted with facts so keep on spreading FUD.
    Laura Knotek likes this.
    11-20-2012 01:15 PM
  3. Coreldan's Avatar
    True hahaha
    But it would be smart for Nokia and WP8 to get some good numbers in the US on that day
    It would give them a lot more visibility in the US which is a big market.
    But rest of the world is still a bigger market :P Europe alone is bigger and I'm pretty sure Asia is too.
    11-20-2012 01:17 PM
  4. 12Danny123's Avatar
    But rest of the world is still a bigger market :P Europe alone is bigger and I'm pretty sure Asia is too.
    I agree. It's very annoying that people think USA. Is the only country in the world. typical people
    Mach_E likes this.
    11-20-2012 01:21 PM
  5. HeyCori's Avatar
    I agree. It's very annoying that people think USA. Is the only country in the world. typical people
    'MERICA

    Laura Knotek likes this.
    11-20-2012 01:29 PM
  6. Simon Tupper's Avatar
    I agree. It's very annoying that people think USA. Is the only country in the world. typical people
    I am Canadian.... but when it comes to buy random stuff on a particular day... the US is quite unbeatable... The OP's intention is simple... There should be enough stock every time there is a day like Black Friday, not only in the US. At least it's what I understood.
    11-20-2012 01:36 PM
  7. mlm1950's Avatar
    Keep in mind that there are other countries beside the US. "Black Friday" is a US phenomenon. The rest of the world doesn't care if Americans go crazy shopping the day after a holiday not observed in their countries.

    Nokia has to supply devices to countries other than the US.
    No one said that Nokia should only be supplying phones to the U.S., to the detriment of the rest of the world.
    11-20-2012 01:44 PM
  8. inteller's Avatar
    but you know that's where they directed the majority of their stock.....what little of it they have. Hopefully they sent the rest to China cause they stand a chance of getting major market share there.
    11-20-2012 01:48 PM
  9. fardream's Avatar
    but you know that's where they directed the majority of their stock.....what little of it they have. Hopefully they sent the rest to China cause they stand a chance of getting major market share there.
    No, china version uses a different chipset
    11-20-2012 01:50 PM
  10. inteller's Avatar
    oh yes, so they have an entirely different factory dedicated just for that different chipset? smh.
    11-20-2012 01:52 PM
  11. Simon Tupper's Avatar
    oh yes, so they have an entirely different factory dedicated just for that different chipset? smh.
    It is hard to tell you what's going on... Nokia is silent, so is AT&T... All we can do is speculate... I know you are pissed off, but I don't know else than "wait and see" we could suggest you...
    11-20-2012 02:14 PM
  12. Simon Tupper's Avatar
    There is enough time for a late delivery... it's not the end of the world if Nokia don't sell as much Lumia 920 than Samsung's GSIII... There is still the HTC 8X and there will be a few Lumia 920 for sure...
    Nokia should survive...
    11-20-2012 02:20 PM
  13. aximtreo's Avatar
    but you know that's where they directed the majority of their stock.....what little of it they have. Hopefully they sent the rest to China cause they stand a chance of getting major market share there.

    If, and I say if, Nokia sent a larger number of units to the US, it is probably because they have little to no market in the US. If I were introducing a product, I would certainly give thought to having stock available in the markets I want to penetrate.
    11-20-2012 02:28 PM
  14. Squatting Hen's Avatar
    Northgate Mall in Seattle had the red, black and yellow in the store today. Said ordering a white would be 3-5 business days.
    11-20-2012 03:01 PM
  15. brmiller1976's Avatar
    In order for Windows Phone to be the "third ecosystem," it needs to be easy and convenient to buy Windows Phone devices, across the range, across carriers.

    They've solved the "only a few carriers" problem, but the 920 and 8X are in short supply, and if it's not there to be purchased when iPhones and Galaxy Ses are, they're not yet ready to be "the third ecosystem."
    11-20-2012 03:49 PM
  16. crystal_planet's Avatar
    I'm talking about companies that botch launches and miscalculate demand.
    This is Apple's modus operandi. When was the last time you heard anyone decry their doom because they sold out of a particular product? Never. Instead everyone points with awe on how high the demand is.
    11-20-2012 06:53 PM
  17. brmiller1976's Avatar
    Nokia and Windows Phone cannot be successful players worldwide if they aren't successful in the USA. Deal with it, other countries. It's a plain fact. A majority of gross margin earned in smartphones worldwide is from US sales.
    11-20-2012 07:03 PM
  18. aznguyen316's Avatar
    This is Apple's modus operandi. When was the last time you heard anyone decry their doom because they sold out of a particular product? Never. Instead everyone points with awe on how high the demand is.
    But then again... didn't they sell 5 million in the US on launch weekend for the iP5 - and then they sold out...I think I remember reading that and it was below expectations? Where is the Lumia 920 at in terms of sales in the US? Then we can make a comparison.
    11-20-2012 07:05 PM
  19. brmiller1976's Avatar
    Wow, the iFolk and Droids are on a rampage, aren't they?

    Kinda lame. I don't go over to iPhone boards and make fun of a mid-80s touch UI, or rampage in Android-space about crashes and malware.
    11-20-2012 07:14 PM
  20. crystal_planet's Avatar
    But then again... didn't they sell 5 million in the US on launch weekend for the iP5 - and then they sold out...I think I remember reading that and it was below expectations? Where is the Lumia 920 at in terms of sales in the US? Then we can make a comparison.
    That's not the point. Apple has a history of selling out their product, and yet despite the demand they never seem to have enough supply. It's odd. And yet, the press has been lambasting MS at every turn so it is kind of surprising that there is any demand for their products at all.
    11-20-2012 07:21 PM
  21. crystal_planet's Avatar
    Nokia and Windows Phone cannot be successful players worldwide if they aren't successful in the USA. Deal with it, other countries. It's a plain fact. A majority of gross margin earned in smartphones worldwide is from US sales.
    I don't think anyone is downplaying the US's role in the smartphone market, but it is a little silly that one day in one country could spell the doom for a global company. That's like saying a 920 shortage in the UK on Boxing day will close Nokia's doors for good.
    Laura Knotek likes this.
    11-20-2012 07:30 PM
  22. frnakie's Avatar
    I'm American.
    I have a L710 and I'm very happy with it and Nokia. I would like to upgrade to WP8 phone too but I have patience.
    Oh, I also do not have a patriotic goatee.
    :lol:
    brmiller1976 likes this.
    11-20-2012 07:40 PM
  23. lordofthereef's Avatar
    Such doom and gloom.

    If another device has shortages, it must be because of demand. Thus, it spells impending doom for WP.

    If WP has shortages, it's because of an inability to compete, thus spelling impending doom.
    Listen. There were AT&T stores that didn't even get these phones on launch day. And we aren't talking about small markets. The first store I went to had none. Another had four. FOUR. And this was just outside of Boston! I don't think what you are suggesting is happening at all. Launch day had abysmal stock, at least in my neck of the woods.
    11-20-2012 08:31 PM
  24. brmiller1976's Avatar
    If Microsoft and Nokia report sales of 40 million Lumia 920s by the end of the year, the tech press (which fawns over Apple) will have headlines like "Windows Phone probably doomed: Nokia claims of 40 million handsets unverified by reliable second party and don't include information about returns; we ask Apple for clarification. Can Nokia and Microsoft afford 40 million returns?"

    If Microsoft and Nokia report sales of 5 million Lumia 920s by the end of the year, the tech press (which fawns over Apple) will have headlines like "Windows Phone probably doomed: Record quarter looks pathetic next to Apple's innovation-driven sales."

    If Microsoft and Nokia report that sales were "quite brisk and much better than expected," the tech press (which fawns over Apple) will have headlines like "Microsoft: Sales 'quite brisk' and not 'very brisk,' Windows Phone probably doomed."
    11-20-2012 08:42 PM
  25. brmiller1976's Avatar
    And if every analyst in the world, plus Nokia, HTC and Microsoft, confirm sales of 100 million Windows Phones this quarter, the tech press (which fawns over Apple) will have headlines like "Windows Phone sales exceed generally low expectations, but still don't run leading iOS apps like iTunes."
    11-20-2012 08:44 PM
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