Microsoft still has a lot to do to impress Android and iPhone users.

Android and iPhone users don't see much need to jump in the WP8 and W8 boat. Why? Because their preferred OS meet their needs. WP8 should keep all of its must have features while having more features to meet the needs of an iPhone and Android user. While WP8 is simply gorgeous, fast and fluid.. it falls short for a lot of iOS and Android users in terms of features and apps.

The xbox music app (Win8 and WP8) should be better. It needs some major updates, because at the moment it feels like they didn't put much effort in it. Except for the design...

You should be able to carry your videos in you smartphone and WP8 seems to be lacking there.

The lack of key apps should be taken into consideration by Microsoft and they should do something about it. Pay to motivate them to make an app for Windows Phone.

The official Facebook app seriously needs to be improved... it is really far from a quality app... Same for the official Twitter app... it's not common to see unofficial apps being 10X better than the official app...

Windows Phone will be a strong player in the near future, but I think that this is what Microsoft is missing to compete with Android and iOS.

Microsoft is being laughed at and the only way to get over this is to do better than iOS and Android. (I already like it better than Android and iOS, but the tech industry does not have the same opinion as I). Microsoft should come up with a tablet with a SIM card slot... it's 2012... they should make it cheaper to get more sales... Profit is good, but visibility is better and you can't make enough profit if most people see your tablet and say "Well I saw a review that rated it quite low and anyway it's too expensive". At the moment Microsoft with the Surface RT is the tablet that make the most profit per unit on the market... there is room to lower the price.

Microsoft is about to come back in the game, but it needs to boost things up a little bit. Microsoft is not in the same position they were years ago and that means that it needs to push its products more than its competitors... Make less profit and get more sales.

The reality is for the most part all of these smart phones do similar things in different ways. Each platform has things it does better than the rest also. I think what will attract people to WP is ease of use along with the tile interface. WP will be fine, but it's going to take a while with the huge head start the other platforms have.

The tile interface is the key seller. Other OSs look alike. Android, IOs and so far from what I've seen, even BB10. WP is a totally different look and feel.

Send this or post it on Nokia website. They are very responsive to constructive criticism.

As for my point of view. I'm holding my cyan L900 and very happy. Will get my Surface when my old Dell dies. Did download W8 for $39.95 and love it. Now just praying for my computer to die so I can get the Surface. I can't wait to see the numbers from Microsoft and Nokia in January.

The differentiator with Android is pretty easy -- Windows Phone isn't broken.

Talk to a typical consumer a year or so into ownership of ANY Android flagship phone -- the S2, the S3, the Evo series, etc. -- and you'll hear horror stories about crashes, freezes, lag, e-mails that vanish, malware on Google Play that turned their phone into a botnet hub for spamming, etc. The key is just exploiting that DroidRage.

The reason the Android True Believers went so ballistic about the DroidRage campaign is simple: it was true. If it was false, it would be laughed off. Note that all of the retorts to DroidRage were "how dare you? Windows 95 had lots of security flaws too!"

Windows Phone is the simple, capable, powerful, secure and reliable multi-OEM handset OS. Android is the complicated, stuttering, swiss-cheese, crash-prone multi-OEM handset OS.

hmmm, I left IOS (as if I worked for them or something) because I was bored with the phone/IOS, wanted a better camera phone, and was hoping for drag and drop music transfer (wrong). I really do like WP8 and seems very stable, but the app store needs to catch up in a hurry to get anyone to jump ship. I see what they are trying to do by getting people on board with all W8 products, but feel they need to concentrate on the the phone market first, then people will purchase their tablets like they have with aapl.

Microsoft needs to attack where they're dominant and then extend that into the area where they're weak. They're strong on the desktop -- extend that lead into phones. A full frontal assault on Google and Apple in mobile, without an ecosystem strategy around PCs and tablets, would be a waste of money.

Note that Apple and Google built up a strong presence in areas where they were weak by leveraging their digital music/iPod and search monopolies, respectively. Microsoft needs to get equally aggressive with Windows -- including making it so that Google services and Apple products don't work as well with Windows desktops and laptops as Microsoft products.

I think it's largely to do with the fact people have never heard of windows phone. When Joe public goes into a phone shop and wants to get a smartphone on contract the retailers are usually biased and don't know what they are talking about. They will recommend a particular phone even if they don't recommend it personally, because themselves and the shops get bonuses ect. All of my friends who I have shown my Titan fall in love with it, they have either iphone or androids. To be honest, most of us just want an easy to use, functional and above all reliable and solid operating system that is ergonomic and easy to use. Most of us don't want to overclock our RAM on our androids or jailbreak our iphones. We just want what I mentioned above. However I don't think Microsoft is doing windows phone advertising a lot of justice, or windows 8 come to that.
For those of us who know what we are talking about, know that WP7and 8 is fast, reliable, rock solid, intuitive, easy to use, elegant, pleasing and functional OS and the best one out there at the moment. I will say one thing though, Apple it appears are losing market ground thanks to android though, and their tablets come to that, which is good. Apple are rather corrupt as it goes for in the IT industry

I'm a die hard Android user (still is), but I'm a happy Lumia 920 user.

Originally Posted by brmiller1976

Microsoft needs to attack where they're dominant and then extend that into the area where they're weak. They're strong on the desktop -- extend that lead into phones. A full frontal assault on Google and Apple in mobile, without an ecosystem strategy around PCs and tablets, would be a waste of money.

Note that Apple and Google built up a strong presence in areas where they were weak by leveraging their digital music/iPod and search monopolies, respectively. Microsoft needs to get equally aggressive with Windows -- including making it so that Google services and Apple products don't work as well with Windows desktops and laptops as Microsoft products.

I disagree here. I only know three people who have Macs (and none of those Mac users have iPhones--they have Androids). However, everyone I know who is a PC user uses iTunes (I'm the rarity, since I don't use iTunes--I get my music from Amazon.com).

If Microsoft did something to break iTunes on PCs, that would cause a revolt like nothing ever seen. The majority of iTunes users own PCs, not Macs.

The iPhone got started as "the iPod phone." It was a logical extension for anyone who wanted a phone and was heavily invested in Apple's music monopoly.

The Android phone got started as the "Google phone." It was a logical extension for anyone who heavily used Google services.

And iTunes is a steaming pile of poo -- all Microsoft has to do is ensure that Windows-oriented media services work better and receive more timely updates than iTunes and Google services. Apple and Google, ironically, are doing their best to help out by releasing LOUSY software for Windows (in Apple's case) and breaking proper ActiveSync compatibility for mobile and desktop/tablet devices (in Google's case).

I'm a happy windows phone user but I'm also cheap and I'll likely switch back to Android because it is (with 4.0 and above) 'good enough'' and with google now turning out nexus phones at such low prices, I'll get one of them.

"Cheap" has costs down the road, such as crashes, freezes, malware, phone failure, the need for a hard reset every six months, provision of detailed private data to Google for your personal profile, etc.

Originally Posted by brmiller1976

The iPhone got started as "the iPod phone." It was a logical extension for anyone who wanted a phone and was heavily invested in Apple's music monopoly.

The Android phone got started as the "Google phone." It was a logical extension for anyone who heavily used Google services.

And iTunes is a steaming pile of poo -- all Microsoft has to do is ensure that Windows-oriented media services work better and receive more timely updates than iTunes and Google services. Apple and Google, ironically, are doing their best to help out by releasing LOUSY software for Windows (in Apple's case) and breaking proper ActiveSync compatibility for mobile and desktop/tablet devices (in Google's case).

The issue is iTunes has been around so long that most PC users are heavily invested in it. The person who has thousands of songs from iTunes isn't going to readily abandon iTunes.

Its just a way to push users to purchasing handsets that work with their services, I have been a avid Windows Phone user since the Windows Mobile 6.1 with the HTC Atimis, onto the HD7 and now the 8X.

I have always had a problem with Android with their security flaws and the OS just seems buggy even with high end handsets.
As with iOS I have never liked the layout of the GUI and the general layout.

Originally Posted by lak611

The issue is iTunes has been around so long that most PC users are heavily invested in it. The person who has thousands of songs from iTunes isn't going to readily abandon iTunes.

Actually, that guy is probably migrating to the cloud -- either Apple's Cloud Music service, or Spotify cloud match, or even Xbox Music. Music downloads on local devices are increasingly obsolete.

I hate apple but iTunes is simple and efficient. The latest update has made it much worse but I still don't see what's so bad about it.

Check out how many resources iTunes uses next time it's running. When I used it a year ago, it wasn't uncommon to see it using 65% of processor resources on an i5, and 600+ megabytes of RAM, all while idling in the background.

Originally Posted by brmiller1976

"Cheap" has costs down the road, such as crashes, freezes, malware, phone failure, the need for a hard reset every six months, provision of detailed private data to Google for your personal profile, etc.

I've have never had to hard reset an android device even when it was a cheapo zte blade - as for the rest - you are confusing cheap selling price with cheap BOM - and the nexus devices are not cheap in that sense.

Originally Posted by brmiller1976

Check out how many resources iTunes uses next time it's running. When I used it a year ago, it wasn't uncommon to see it using 65% of processor resources on an i5, and 600+ megabytes of RAM, all while idling in the background.

That's true. However, the average user won't care.

It also doesn't help that iTunes gift cards are so ubiquitous. I've given lots of people iTunes gift cards as Christmas and birthday gifts. It's easy when the cards are in the checkout aisle at every grocery store here.

Originally Posted by lak611

That's true. However, the average user won't care.

They sure will care, when the machine is sluggish and apps keep running slowly.

The first thing I do to improve performance on friends' PCs is force-quit iTunes, and show them how to do it when they're not using the app. Their PC problems disappear.

Originally Posted by cgk

I've have never had to hard reset an android device even when it was a cheapo zte blade - as for the rest - you are confusing cheap selling price with cheap BOM - and the nexus devices are not cheap in that sense.

The Nexus 4 is crap, sorry. And it runs that horrific Android OS, with freezes, lags, malware, incompatibilities, crashes, etc.

yea. the reason why I won't use android is because of malware and privacy. Google is an Evil Company. that ignores privacy. that is why I won't use an android phone because Google controls it.

Originally Posted by brmiller1976

The Nexus 4 is crap, sorry. And it runs that horrific Android OS, with freezes, lags, malware, incompatibilities, crashes, etc.

I have a nexus 4 sat next to me - it doesn't freeze, it doesn't lag, I guess I could install some malware on it and it's never crashed - when was the last time you actually used an android device?

dude. we don't really care if you have an android phone..... so yea. but good luck it it

Until Windows phone 8 can mow my grass, make my bed and wash my car I am sticking with android. C'mon people Windows phone 8 is beautifully magnificently fluid and she keeps me warm at night!! 😈

the windows phones need MORE exposure
when u walk into a big retailer like best buy and ask about the Lumia 920 ,they look at you like u are asking about something out of this world
They have no working models on display,no cases no screen protectors, Nothing.
Microsoft needs to do something about that

Originally Posted by 12Danny123

dude. we don't really care if you have an android phone..... so yea. but good luck it it

I don't, I have a windows phone - go back and re-read the conversation.

ummm. then why did you say you have a Nexus 4 sat next to you then...............awkward

Originally Posted by 12Danny123

ummm. then why did you say you have a Nexus 4 sat next to you then...............awkward

Because my other half has one.

ummmmm.......ok........???

Originally Posted by cgk

I'm a happy windows phone user but I'm also cheap and I'll likely switch back to Android because it is (with 4.0 and above) 'good enough'' and with google now turning out nexus phones at such low prices, I'll get one of them.

As for inexpensive handsets, I just ordered an unlocked HTC 8S and it was the least expensive handset out there. Mind you, if you're a spec hound, a Nexus 4 may be a better choice if you don't care about the o/s. In my case, I'm married to the o/s not the handset.

Originally Posted by crystal_planet

As for inexpensive handsets, I just ordered an unlocked HTC 8S and it was the least expensive handset out there. Mind you, if you're a spec hound, a Nexus 4 may be a better choice if you don't care about the o/s. In my case, I'm married to the o/s not the handset.

The difference in price in the UK between the 8S is only about twenty quid so it's not a factor - having said that, I had a play with an 8S today, it's a very nice feeling phone.

and about xbox video... why is it socomplicated to make possible to rent a movie regardless of the country you are in... Microsoft should make worldwide... seriously... I had to create an email adress with United-States has my country to unlock this service... I simply don't understand Microsoft on this... same for Local Scout and lots of W8 and WP8 key features... If Apple can do it.. I don't know why Microsoft can't

One thing Microsoft needs to fix, immediately, is the poor OS updating experience.

There are lots of 8Xs that are suffering from random reboot problems, and the answer for when they're going to get the update already sent out to unlocked devices is...

*get ready*

"In the coming months."

Not. Good. Enough.
Crappy. User. Experience.

And the worst part is, it's not that hard to fix.

First off, even at the risk of being tarred, feathered, drawn, quartered, and having my remains fed to a fire Ant hill:

ICS and J.B. Android phones are not the "lag, stutter, freeze, repeat" devices of the previous couple Android cycles. The Multi-core processors helped, the optiminzation of the OS helped, the OEM's dialing down their UI skins helped a TON (looking at you, HTC Sense and Motrola MotoBlur), and this generation of Androids are much better. Do not think for one second any growth WP gets will be because of Android "rage" over poor performance. There is very little actual disgust with Android. They keep improving their tools and baked in features. Android is not losing any steam. Period. They are actually gaining due to improving performance, which is amazing.

However, Android cannot offer a true entire ecosystem. Microsoft can. Android cannot offer a new way to work a device. Microsoft can. All we can hope for is that Microsoft, Nokia, HTC, all their other OEM and Tablet makers are sharing in the vision of what Windows offers.

In other words, it is my humble, unimportant opinion that the OP is correct: Microsoft will get WP users based on it's own merits, ecosystem, improved tools and support. Not because Android, Apple, or RIM failed.

Although that WOULD help......

Sorry, but I own a Galaxy S III, and it's just as laggy, crash-prone, freeze-prone, etc. as every other Android device I've owned.

It's a lot more colorful, and initially impresses, but after a few weeks, you hit "WTF moments" every few hours.

There's a lot to be said for consistent and reliable... that's why Apple can charge what they do.

I agree that Android can't be as bad as some have experienced or they wouldn't sell so many. WP has some maturing to do, but it's almost there and it's dang good.

Originally Posted by Simon Tupper

and about xbox video... why is it socomplicated to make possible to rent a movie regardless of the country you are in... Microsoft should make worldwide... seriously... I had to create an email adress with United-States has my country to unlock this service... I simply don't understand Microsoft on this... same for Local Scout and lots of W8 and WP8 key features... If Apple can do it.. I don't know why Microsoft can't

I don't own an Xbox. As a result, I don't see why it would be any advantage to get an Xbox Gold subscription for $5/month. Renting the videos is an extra cost per movie, and Netflix/Redbox/Amazon Prime streaming is cheaper, since there are no additional "rental charges" other than the subscription charges.

Originally Posted by Simon Tupper

and about xbox video... why is it socomplicated to make possible to rent a movie regardless of the country you are in... Microsoft should make worldwide... seriously... I had to create an email adress with United-States has my country to unlock this service... I simply don't understand Microsoft on this... same for Local Scout and lots of W8 and WP8 key features... If Apple can do it.. I don't know why Microsoft can't

That's not Microsoft. That's geoblocking. That's also the reason why some apps are not available to us. And also why I can't get hulu inatalled on my WDTV Live.:angry:

Originally Posted by crystal_planet

That's not Microsoft. That's geoblocking. That's also the reason why some apps are not available to us. And also why I can't get hulu inatalled on my WDTV Live.:angry:

That's true. It isn't always US that gets certain apps or features first. Spotify was available in UK for two years before it became available in US.

When I lived in the UK, I used a US proxy server frequently so that I could view content on Comedy Central or YouTube without the "this content isn't available in your country" error message.

The legal regime is still living in 1950 while the real world is in 2012.

Originally Posted by brmiller1976

Sorry, but I own a Galaxy S III, and it's just as laggy, crash-prone, freeze-prone, etc. as every other Android device I've owned.

It's a lot more colorful, and initially impresses, but after a few weeks, you hit "WTF moments" every few hours.

There's a lot to be said for consistent and reliable... that's why Apple can charge what they do.

My wife has the Evo 4G LTE and while she doesn't experience WTF moments every few hours, she does experience them every few days.

But to be honest, those hiccups are easily tolerated because of the sheer utility of Android. We actually just completed a week-long road trip and we used Google Navigation over Nokia Drive because when put side by side, Nokia Drive is so far behind that it is a complete embarrassment. We were able to easily stream content from the PRI and NPR apps. I really cannot underscore enough how simple this was on her android phone. There is no similar solution on Windows phone without downloading podcasts through Xbox music. The streaming content ran in the background while navigation was running, too.

The point is that Android users, even casual non-techie folks like my wife, have become accustomed to a certain level of capabilities that I just don't thin WP8 can currently provide. So while Android sill does lock up sometimes (my 920 has also locked up recently) most users gladly tolerate that minor irritation because of everything else the platform allows them to do.

For a pure consumer phone, I suppose that's OK. I use mine as a personal and business phone, and I couldn't afford all the problems at work that my locked up phone was causing -- crashed conference calls, missed e-mails, etc.

Speaking of content - is the Podcast support in WP8 as bad as WP7? (I understand that podcasting actually works in the US? - so if you are from there you might not have any idea what I'm on about).

Originally Posted by brmiller1976

When I lived in the UK, I used a US proxy server frequently so that I could view content on Comedy Central or YouTube without the "this content isn't available in your country" error message.

The legal regime is still living in 1950 while the real world is in 2012.

Utterly ridiculous I agree. What I wouldn't do to get Iheartradio on my phone...

I think a biggie in this discussion (sorry only read the op's opening statement) is apps.
I am using a BlackBerry 9900 and after listening to podcasts and reading reviews it seems we are about even on the app front. Bb10 is dropping and all the talk on crackberry is always leaning towards app ecosystem.

Kevin is using a 920 and said lack of instagram,opentable and others is a huge problem for him but he's trying it as part of his world tour thing.

Its kind of sad that people don't really care about the phone that they're buying now rather if it supports the apps they know and love on their current device.

Sent from my game boy color

Originally Posted by eve6er69

I think a biggie in this discussion (sorry only read the op's opening statement) is apps.
I am using a BlackBerry 9900 and after listening to podcasts and reading reviews it seems we are about even on the app front. Bb10 is dropping and all the talk on crackberry is always leaning towards app ecosystem.

Kevin is using a 920 and said lack of instagram,opentable and others is a huge problem for him but he's trying it as part of his world tour thing.

Its kind of sad that people don't really care about the phone that they're buying now rather if it supports the apps they know and love on their current device.

Sent from my game boy color

I wonder how many people will dump Instagram, since they do not want their personal photos turned into ads.

Originally Posted by Simon Tupper

Android and iPhone users don't see much need to jump in the WP8 and W8 boat. Why? Because their preferred OS meet their needs. WP8 should keep all of its must have features while having more features to meet the needs of an iPhone and Android user. While WP8 is simply gorgeous, fast and fluid.. it falls short for a lot of iOS and Android users in terms of features and apps.

The xbox music app (Win8 and WP8) should be better. It needs some major updates, because at the moment it feels like they didn't put much effort in it. Except for the design...

You should be able to carry your videos in you smartphone and WP8 seems to be lacking there.

The lack of key apps should be taken into consideration by Microsoft and they should do something about it. Pay to motivate them to make an app for Windows Phone.

The official Facebook app seriously needs to be improved... it is really far from a quality app... Same for the official Twitter app... it's not common to see unofficial apps being 10X better than the official app...

Windows Phone will be a strong player in the near future, but I think that this is what Microsoft is missing to compete with Android and iOS.

Microsoft is being laughed at and the only way to get over this is to do better than iOS and Android. (I already like it better than Android and iOS, but the tech industry does not have the same opinion as I). Microsoft should come up with a tablet with a SIM card slot... it's 2012... they should make it cheaper to get more sales... Profit is good, but visibility is better and you can't make enough profit if most people see your tablet and say "Well I saw a review that rated it quite low and anyway it's too expensive". At the moment Microsoft with the Surface RT is the tablet that make the most profit per unit on the market... there is room to lower the price.

Microsoft is about to come back in the game, but it needs to boost things up a little bit. Microsoft is not in the same position they were years ago and that means that it needs to push its products more than its competitors... Make less profit and get more sales.

I feel I am going to leave windows phone and discountinue my Xbox music subscription if Xbox music is not fixed before next iPhone. At least Spotify and iTunes both work, and I am almost sure that apple will not screw music streaming experience.

Originally Posted by PhilR8

My wife has the Evo 4G LTE and while she doesn't experience WTF moments every few hours, she does experience them every few days.

But to be honest, those hiccups are easily tolerated because of the sheer utility of Android. We actually just completed a week-long road trip and we used Google Navigation over Nokia Drive because when put side by side, Nokia Drive is so far behind that it is a complete embarrassment. We were able to easily stream content from the PRI and NPR apps. I really cannot underscore enough how simple this was on her android phone. There is no similar solution on Windows phone without downloading podcasts through Xbox music. The streaming content ran in the background while navigation was running, too.

The point is that Android users, even casual non-techie folks like my wife, have become accustomed to a certain level of capabilities that I just don't thin WP8 can currently provide. So while Android sill does lock up sometimes (my 920 has also locked up recently) most users gladly tolerate that minor irritation because of everything else the platform allows them to do.

My best friend and his Wife are both due for upgrades early next year. I have been talking to them about what they do and don't like about their phones. She has the LG Revolution, and he has a Blackbery Curve. The whole thing you just described is what I have found is the ONLY reason people are not leaving Android. She hates the battery hogging, laggy part of her LG. But a ton of the apps and tools she is used to are just not on WP yet. I can sell her on the OS (She loves it!!) and smooth operation. Even the worst WP is better in the battery life then her LG is. But she would miss a lot of goodies. He is done with BB (not interested in BB10, which I have told him about), but he has seen the tools and extras her Android can do. I think the best I can do is make sure they end up with the best Verizon Androids out there. They will give WP 8 a spin, but I do not think they will get one. (They do not like Apple products or business practices.)

It is still an uphill battle for WP. MS and it's OEMs are in much better position then even three months ago, but it is a large hill.

Originally Posted by fardream

I feel I am going to leave windows phone and discountinue my Xbox music subscription if Xbox music is not fixed before next iPhone. At least Spotify and iTunes both work, and I am almost sure that apple will not screw music streaming experience.

I simply hate iTunes.. it slow and laggy. But features wise it's not bad.

For all you light weight iphone and android users go buy a Nokia Lumia 920 send it to me and I'll sand paper it down so that you are able to carry it. If it's too heavy for your gurly arms.

Originally Posted by Simon Tupper

The lack of key apps should be taken into consideration by Microsoft and they should do something about it. Pay to motivate them to make an app for Windows Phone

If all these big apps don't see the benefit of being on WP8, then **** on them. I'm not dying because I don't have these key apps. Paying them to dev for WP8 is not the motivation I want. Because then we will get crap apps. If they come to MS wanting to dev for them, then we get a company that is interested on their terms, which means they will work to have a quality app. The only way for that to happen is for us to ask them to support WP8.

I am an Android user and I am impressed with the device for the reason pointed out before: the look and feel.

There is, however, a very good reason why Android and IOS look alike: it's familiar. It's a hard sell to some to jump into something so alien looking to what they are used to. Case in point: Windows 8.

To be honest, most people switching from a basic phone to a smartphone don't care if its Android, iPhone, or Windows. The key hang up here is sales rep persuasion, which Verizon is trying very hard to overcome. Verizon is marketing WP8 as THE "basic to smart" platform and is forcing handsets onto its management team to make them aware that its not a repeat of Windows Mobile. In my opinion, Microsoft needs to start offering spiffs to front line sales reps. There's a lot of misconceptions that sales reps are incentivised to sell certain phones, not true. A customer could buy a Note II or a free LG Lucid and the rep will make the same amount of money. People respond to incentives. The employee edition 8X is nice, but offering a spiff of some kind would push phone sales over the top.

I think when it comes to power users coming from android such as myself, it us hard to leave all of the incredible things that android makes possible. Because developers are able to take advantage of so many great api's and features of android, there are many apps that simply cannot be replaced by any other app on both ios and WP.

Some of these apps/features include:

Floating apps- Video players, browser, calculators, note taking, etc,. These sort of apps are taking off with both devs and OEMs such as Samsung. When out and about and on a text convo, webpage or call, I could pull up my calculator, a note taking app or browser without leaving current task and still being able to look at info on main screen.

Widgets. Some are useless(same as some useless live tiles). But some are very useful. Widgets allowed me to stay on the home screen and glance at information. Yes live tiles do the same thing BUT with widgets on android you can also interact as if the app is open. I had a file browser, dialer, calendar, calculator widget which enabled me to do tasks such as manage files on my phone, creating calendar entries, taking notes etc.

Any power user coming from android can tell you this. I am no fan boy and currently happy with my Lumia and coping.

I would consider myself an Android power user. Or perhaps "flashaholic" is more accurate. I spend most of my time rooting and flashing buggy ROMs just to stay up to date and have a "pure" OS. I have a Nexus on Verizon but that didn't turn out well as many Android fans will gripe to you. As for apps, the only thing on my Nexus that didn't come with it that I actually use is Facebook. I think I'd transition fine. My biggest wants are the clean interface that gives maximum information to space used and the supposedly power efficient Skype integration. I still have time to think but a WP8 might be better for me than the Nexus 4.

Come on now. Facebook only app downloaded and you call yourself a power user?

I actually used my phones to the fullest. Viewing and marking up websites, annotating maps and graphic work, Scanning docs to pdf, I'm not a teenager who just plays games and browse Facebook.

No, not really.

Originally Posted by Optimus82

Come on now Facebook only app downloaded and you call yourself a power user? I actuyou're used my phones to the fullest. Viewing and marking up websites, annotating maps and graphic work, Scanning docs to pdf, I'm not a teenager who just plays games and browse Facebook.

What a wonderful welcome, no wonder people like it here [/sarcasm]. I do a lot more with my tablet that also runs Android. But I'm just a dumb ol' teenager. I couldn't possibly do anything else. I don't need a grown-ups phone. Christ you'd think I was crazy for wanting to prioritize my phone for communication.(Of note: My Nexus keeps placing my cursor at odd points and overwriting text while replying here)

@armada.

Stop being a hippie. Its a forum.

Originally Posted by lak611

I wonder how many people will dump Instagram, since they do not want their personal photos turned into ads.

I don't think a lot. Out of all my friends I've only heard 1 say goodbye to instagram. Laura you know. I'm a BlackBerry person so security is kind of important to me, I think I'm a rarity now a days. Lol. Most people will continue to use it and not care about their personal photos being stored somewhere in someone's mothers basement. Lol

Sent from my game boy color

Originally Posted by eve6er69

I don't think a lot. Out of all my friends I've only heard 1 say goodbye to instagram. Laura you know. I'm a BlackBerry person so security is kind of important to me, I think I'm a rarity now a days. Lol. Most people will continue to use it and not care about their personal photos being stored somewhere in someone's mothers basement. Lol

Sent from my game boy color

I wouldn't care if my photos were used in ads if I were given royalty money for use of those photos.

Originally Posted by AMERICANRAJ

For all you light weight iphone and android users go buy a Nokia Lumia 920 send it to me and I'll sand paper it down so that you are able to carry it. If it's too heavy for your gurly arms.

Better yet, just buy an 8X. ;)

Originally Posted by brmiller1976

Worse yet, just buy an 8X. ;)

I had a 920. When it broke, AT&T was out of 920s, so I grabbed a 16 GB 8X instead.

The 920 isn't bad, but the 8X is a better phone all around.

We will agree to disagree. How's that portico update working for you?

At the rate that Microsoft and AT&T are taking to update the device, I'm sure it will arrive sometime shortly after WP8 is discontinued. :P

Updates on Windows Phone are horrendous -- even worse than Android (and that's really saying something).

Originally Posted by brmiller1976

Updates on Windows Phone are horrendous -- even worse than Android (and that's really saying something).

The HTC Thunderbolt sitting in my drawer that was promised Android 4.0 months ago, and only reaffirmed with "soon" recently, begs to differ.

The Live Tiles are the killer feature. The ability to pin any kind of content to the start screen is the differentiator, Android widgets just aren't the same.

Originally Posted by Armada

The HTC Thunderbolt sitting in my drawer that was promised Android 4.0 months ago, and only reaffirmed with "soon" recently, begs to differ.

That's a two-year old device. My 8X isn't even a month old, and they still don't have an ETA on AT&T for a serious bug fix update that T-Mo already received. Ugh.

Originally Posted by smoledman

The Live Tiles are the killer feature. The ability to pin any kind of content to the start screen is the differentiator, Android widgets just aren't the same.

widgets on android are interactive. There are some widgets were you can complete a task without leaving the homescreen. For example: full blown file explorer that lets you scroll, copy, move, paste, delete files. Dialer widgets that let you dial straight from home screen. Calendar widgets that let you scroll and add events. Interactive toggles to adjust settings and volume straight from home screen without having to go into each individual setting just to turn on WiFi, bt, etc,. Notes/list widgets that let you mark off tasks on home screen.

One of my favorites was the evernote widget. You could actually see previews of your evernote notes and scroll through to see older notes.

Those widgets obviate the need for the actual app. Why not just replace the app with field after field of widgets?

Because most widgets only let you do the most important\most used feature. I was just saying that there are some widgets that let you do certain tasks without having to go into the full app. Comparing it to a live tile which only show information.

Most of the time, I prefer the full UI of an app. And most of the time, I just want to view information myself.

Originally Posted by brmiller1976

That's a two-year old device. My 8X isn't even a month old, and they still don't have an ETA on AT&T for a serious bug fix update that T-Mo already received. Ugh.

I would have to say, get used to it my man. HTC does NOT care about the customers. Just go ask any of the Titan owners. I am still waiting for the first update to be pushed through ATT. I wonder how long it will take to get 7.8 on my Titan.

I thought MSFT was doing the update roll out on wp8. Wasn't that a selling point in a slide? No carrier based updates, all come through MSFT.

It's not HTC's fault. Unlocked HTC 8X devices already have the update sent to them. The fault entirely lies with Microsoft, who claimed that WP updates were "carrier independent" when they were not. We'll get the update whenever Microsoft and the carrier decide to make it available (if ever).

That does not take blame completely off of HTC. HTC needs to push the issue with carriers or MSFT. Push them to get the updates to their customers. I am still completely stumped as to how MSFT cannot get the updates out. Apple has done it since day one with the iPhones.

Its all 3's fault. They all point the finger at each other.

HTC has no role in carrier testing, other than doing what we users are doing... begging them to get it done.

I'm think about switching back to ios for the time being. I have a 920 and happy with but I dropped it the other night and cracked the glass, so if I'm going to be paying 150+ on a phone i figure just have a iPhone and wait until WP takes off a but more