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  1. tqlla3k's Avatar
    People are expecting wp8 to rule over night, Its only been 5 months and its been a strong start. Trust me MS are in it for the long run even if they only cater for 3rd or 4th place.
    If Microsoft didnt have a bad reputation for abandoning their users, they might be doing a little better.
    rdubmu likes this.
    04-10-2013 10:09 AM
  2. farukdgn's Avatar
    Lol. The graph is US only. Read below it...
    04-10-2013 11:20 AM
  3. farukdgn's Avatar
    I give Apple credit for one thing, they offer only ONE model of phone. Imagine if Google and MS did the same thing. Walk into a phone store, your selections are iPhone, Google Phone, and Windows Phone. Keep your phones cheap, so when you upgrade your OS, you just about have to buy a new phone. Give people one extra year to upgrade, then pull the old OS. They key is cost of ownership in buying a phone whenever a new OS is released. I think MS is making a mistake by having exlusive apps and models. Much easier to support/debug/market a single model. Windows Phone is exactly like Windows ... IT HAS TO WORK on numerous models from different vendors. Google fell into the "Windows Trap" as well. Whereas iPhone is just like Apple OS, all controlled by a single vendor.

    Bottom line ... MS will do well in the long run. Perhaps it should be Flagship, "Nice to Have" and entry level as the models it supports. Only difference would be the body of the phone or just the logo. The it would be just like Apple for AT&T or Verizon or Sprint, same phone, just defferent logo but all offering the same three phones. Then let the accessory vendors fight it out for differentiating skins, cases, colors. After all, isn't that how many stores upsell whne you buy a phone?? Just my two cents .... thanks for reading.
    If this would happen, no one would be using google phone. People bought first Android phones for their low price.
    04-10-2013 11:25 AM
  4. MSFTisMIA's Avatar
    Everytime I read posts like these either here or on the blackberry forums I feel obliged to point out that neither these companies are new to the mobile phone OS game. When you're competing in the market strongly dominated by Android and iOS you don't have the luxury of not bringing your A game right out of the gate

    sent from the slow as hell connection hanging Tapatalk app
    So...every time a company does something to break tradition or modernize itself, they shouldn't go through an adjustment period because they've been in that industry for a long period of time so they should have had EVERYTHING figured out from Day One? That $#%! Cray.

    While I get where you're coming from, that makes not much business sense. Ask Hostess whose been around forever that almost went out of business recently what tradition is worth in the modern business place. People forget MSFT is in the business to make $$$. You think they care how many versions of WP they need to get it "right"? As along as it makes $$$ based on their plans they will be around.

    Many fans forget how these companies make $$$. Google gives away Android for free because they make the cash back on ads and having data to sell to their partners that they've mined from consumers. Apple makes $$$ because the iPhone and iPad are the "it-vehicles" to consume content such as movies, music, casual games and podcasts. MSFT is trying to make cash off better integration between devices. That last one is MUCH harder to do, and thus takes time.
    04-10-2013 11:57 AM
  5. ttsoldier's Avatar
    Then she has no idea how a race works.
    I like to finish second in our races :)
    invertme likes this.
    04-10-2013 12:10 PM
  6. JimMLINY's Avatar
    04-10-2013 12:37 PM
  7. MacDaMachine's Avatar
    Saw this and came here to verify, any insight?

    Microsoft Will Stop Supporting Windows Phone After 18 Months (MSFT)
    This again? There is nothing to talk about.
    04-10-2013 12:44 PM
  8. Cleavitt76's Avatar
    Saw this and came here to verify, any insight?

    Microsoft Will Stop Supporting Windows Phone After 18 Months (MSFT)
    The headline is [probably intentionally] misleadng. The TL;DR version is...

    Microsoft announced that it will continue to support Windows Phone 8 (6 months old) with updates for at least another 18 months even though the vast majority of customers will have upgraded to Windows Phone 9+ by that time.

    A two year support cycle for mobile products is as long if not much longer than the competition.
    Last edited by Cleavitt76; 04-10-2013 at 02:00 PM.
    MSFTisMIA likes this.
    04-10-2013 01:13 PM
  9. MSFTisMIA's Avatar
    The headline is [probably intentionally] misleadng. The TL;DR version is...

    Microsoft announced that it will continue to support Windows Phone 8 (6 months old) with updates for at least another 18 months even though the vast majority of customers will have upgraded to Windows Phone 9+ by that time.

    A two year support cycle for mobile products is as long if not much longer than the competition.
    ^ This. Android's about 18 months on average, non rooting, based on the OEM alliance.
    04-10-2013 04:11 PM
  10. JamesDax's Avatar
    Yes it is.
    04-10-2013 06:47 PM
  11. dba415's Avatar
    Google will never be overtaken, its everywhere. People use google search, YouTube, and mail and they will usually stick. That's how Google keeps its customers in their ecosystem.

    Apple keeps its users in the ecosystem through purchased apps.
    04-10-2013 08:15 PM
  12. spaulagain's Avatar
    People are expecting wp8 to rule over night, Its only been 5 months and its been a strong start. Trust me MS are in it for the long run even if they only cater for 3rd or 4th place.
    WP has been out for 2.5 years though.

    In regards to the OP, why did you even post this "article"? To be quite blunt, my *** produces more valuable and accurate information every day.

    WP will be fine, especially as MS continues to unify their entire ecosystem.
    04-10-2013 08:25 PM
  13. spaulagain's Avatar
    Actually, fast and steady wins the race.
    But burns out in the tournament. I think Android will struggle in the long run. Its such a clusterfvck.
    04-10-2013 08:27 PM
  14. ohgood's Avatar
    But burns out in the tournament. I think Android will struggle in the long run. Its such a clusterfvck.
    got me wondering. wikipedia says:

    The first Android-powered phone was sold in October 2008.

    vs

    November 8, 2010 for windows phone.



    how long is the run till android struggles,
    or wp wins the tourney ?

    they might be overlapping, or the finish line is moving. confuzzled.
    04-10-2013 08:47 PM
  15. iHuGi's Avatar
    Google will never be overtaken, its everywhere. People use google search, YouTube, and mail and they will usually stick. That's how Google keeps its customers in their ecosystem.

    Apple keeps its users in the ecosystem through purchased apps.
    People also use Hotmail or Outlook as far as im concerned its still bigger than Gmail.

    Microsoft is bigger at some things (Games - Xbox, Mail, Pcs OS, Enterprise, Office, better profits than Google, bigger company) and Google is bigger at others (Videos - Youtube, Google Search, Mobile OS) And Apple bigger at others (Tablet OS, Profit Margins, Best Selling Phone out there).

    Competition is good, you cant be 1st at everything.
    rdubmu likes this.
    04-10-2013 09:29 PM
  16. spaulagain's Avatar
    People also use Hotmail or Outlook as far as im concerned its still bigger than Gmail.

    Microsoft is bigger at some things (Games - Xbox, Mail, Pcs OS, Enterprise, Office, better profits than Google, bigger company) and Google is bigger at others (Videos - Youtube, Google Search, Mobile OS) And Apple bigger at others (Tablet OS, Profit Margins, Best Selling Phone out there).

    Competition is good, you cant be 1st at everything.
    Microsoft's product portfolio blows Google's and Apple's out of the water. Neither Google or Apple have a gaming council, or the extreme reach into enterprise.

    People that say Microsoft is going down and Google and Apple are the big players are naive of any reality between the three.

    To me all we are seeing is MS got a little too buried in the enterprise and missed big consumer opportunities early on, or failed to execute them. That's where Google and Apple swooped in. But now MS is getting serious and doing the impossible, bridging consumer to enterprise.
    04-10-2013 09:56 PM
  17. etphoto's Avatar
    I couldn't care less what place WP is in the mobile race. I got the phone and like it. Race placement doesn't affect me one bit.
    04-10-2013 10:16 PM
  18. omniusovermind's Avatar
    So...every time a company does something to break tradition or modernize itself, they shouldn't go through an adjustment period because they've been in that industry for a long period of time so they should have had EVERYTHING figured out from Day One? That $#%! Cray.

    While I get where you're coming from....
    No, I really don't think you do, else you wouldn't have put words in my mouth to set the stage for yourself to make a point. I'd like you to point out where in my post I said what you just accused me of. All I said was that MS didn't bring their A game with WP8. That has no resemblance to the above quoted imaginary thing you wanted me to look like I was saying.

    The point is that every time you make excuses for a multi billion dollar company who already has experience in the field, that's all they are. Excuses.

    "It's hard to so"
    "It takes time"
    "be patient"

    These are all examples of making apologies. They have had time to work out the things you're apologizing for them about. How much more time do you wish the market to give them? How about 2020? Is that patient enough? Or perhaps "50 strikes, and then you're out".

    One thing I will agree with people here about is that MS will probably eventually get where they need to be in the Mobile market. They have the money to simply keep ramming the gates. MS is a slow and methodical beast. They eventually get there but their pace is pretty ponderous. However they still aren't where they should be in the present time and for a company with their resources and experience there's simply no valid excuse for that
    04-10-2013 11:35 PM
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