Ah, you're right. I was thinking strictly OTA.Give us a way to access the update and let us update at our own risk.
I can answer this question for you....T-Mobile knows that without the software update, the 810 is useless..and they will replace your used, faulty 810 with...a brand new or refurbished 810 with the same software problem...and round and round you'll go. Microsoft knows about the storage issue, they pass it to Nokia, who passed it to T-Mobile...meanwhile, 810 users have a busted phone and not one of the above companies will do anything about it.If my 810 breaks 3 months from now and I have insurance, what's my replacement model? A Catwalk? A 521? A iPhone 5?
I can answer this question for you....T-Mobile knows that without the software update, the 810 is useless..and they will replace your used, faulty 810 with...a brand new or refurbished 810 with the same software problem...and round and round you'll go. Microsoft knows about the storage issue, they pass it to Nokia, who passed it to T-Mobile...meanwhile, 810 users have a busted phone and not one of the above companies will do anything about it.
Don't have a lot of time to read the thread. People need to stop to think who is MS target market? Business. Business rarely reward those companies that pump out half-baked patches and fixes. All updates and features additions need to be tested, validated and prepped before release. Whilst it's impossible to support the numerous variations for carriers MS does a pretty decent job especially when you consider how much of a headache it's on the Windows side of things. Apple generally takes a long time to release major patches, and sometimes minor. MS is releasing two or three major updates this year, excluding anything that the phone manufacturers are doing. Apple released a patch recently that FUBAR'd a company portal access with the iPhones not something you want in a commercial environment where you're making money. This is why IT support has to test every patch and update before releasing into the wild.
Remember WinPho 8 is a generation 1 OS, and some slack has to be given for that. If it's not improved by the next major release then you have room to bicker. Every software project has a set of objectives and time limits. This is why every software release is a compromise, generally they're looking for the majority and not for the minority/fringe issues which can fixed later (if ever).
Microsoft didn't just build of of wp7, they built it from the ground up and that's why it's considered first gen.Windows Phone is not for business, its for consumers as Windows 8 is for consumers; why they are leaving out business functions for pretty metro touch and now having to add them back (start button and booting to desktop, things businesses would need). How is Windows Phone 8 1st gen? Windows Phone 8 is the SECOND version of the operating system, so how is is 1st gen? Because it has a new number on it? Then we should say IOS 6 is a 1st en os, but its actually a 6th gen os. Actually with Windows Phone 7.5 bring so many improvements to Windows Phone 7, one could say Windows Phone 8 is a 3rd gen os, but I will stick with 2nd gen.
Windows Phone was launched in October 2010, make it about 2.5 years old and approaching 3 years old and only two main os revisions? Microsoft lost the "new kid on the block" in like 2011. They need to shape up and get moving and innovate on this really cool and powerful mobile os. Blackberry 10 is the only "new kid on the block" and just barely a month out and 10.1 is coming out and fixing tons of issues and adding features. I agree with many here, Microsoft is lagging behind and many are makign excuses for them and Nokia and other companies should not be fixing their issues.
microsoft didn't just built of of wp7, they built it from the ground up, hence the first gen thing
...if the carrier drops support, where would the update come from...? If what you're saying is true, then ALL Nokia Lumias would have got the storage check app and firmware, not just the storage check app that you can't use without the firmware update.When a carrier EOLs a device it usually just means that they stop selling and providing technical support for it. I don't think that should affect future updates since most major updates are done OTA for WP8.
Windows Phone is not for business, its for consumers as Windows 8 is for consumers; why they are leaving out business functions for pretty metro touch and now having to add them back (start button and booting to desktop, things businesses would need). How is Windows Phone 8 1st gen? Windows Phone 8 is the SECOND version of the operating system, so how is is 1st gen? Because it has a new number on it? Then we should say IOS 6 is a 1st gen os, but its actually a 6th gen os. Actually with Windows Phone 7.5 bring so many improvements to Windows Phone 7, one could say Windows Phone 8 is a 3rd gen os, but I will stick with 2nd gen.
Windows Phone was launched in October 2010, make it about 2.5 years old and approaching 3 years old and only two main os revisions? Microsoft lost the "new kid on the block" in like 2011. They need to shape up and get moving and innovate on this really cool and powerful mobile os. Blackberry 10 is the only "new kid on the block" and just barely a month out and 10.1 is coming out and fixing tons of issues and adding features. I agree with many here, Microsoft is lagging behind and many are makign excuses for them and Nokia and other companies should not be fixing their issues.
We can agree to disagree, but in the IT places I work at deal with servers and use to deal with desktop os's, I haven't heard one business want Windows 8
Changing the kernel still doesn't make it 1st gen, it is in the same family and same name.
Really? I have had the "hiss and run away" from businesses on the windows 8 thing; hmm well it is up to the businesses and clients. Been a system admin for 10 years or more and most of the time I see companies CLING onto the old software. Interesting.
I am not bashing Microsoft, but the windows phone os is great, just needs the polish it deserves but that again is up the opinion of the users.
Finally, W8 is suited just as well to handling business requirements as W7 ever was. There literally is no difference in that regard. However, W8 doesn't ADD anything of business value over W7 either. That is why W8 is considered primarily a consumer focused update. That doesn't make it worse for businesses.
Technically true, and I agree, except for one thing: the Modern UI is pretty much exclusively consumer oriented, and virtually all business use will be in desktop mode. But since it's not possible to work in desktop mode 100%, there is a lot of jumping back and forth. Besides being irritating, I find it counterproductive. This contradicts your statement "That doesn't make it worse for businesses."
Technically true, and I agree, except for one thing: the Modern UI is pretty much exclusively consumer oriented, and virtually all business use will be in desktop mode. But since it's not possible to work in desktop mode 100%, there is a lot of jumping back and forth. Besides being irritating, I find it counterproductive. This contradicts your statement "That doesn't make it worse for businesses."