05-19-2013 06:34 AM
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  1. omniusovermind's Avatar
    I tend to agree with a report posted over in the UK by O2 which basically showed that the list of features listed as selling points on the Lumia phones were actually at the bottom of the list of activities the average user spends a number of minutes spent per day doing. Their study showed an average of 128 minutes per day was spent by their customers on smartphones and of that, the vast majority was spent surfing, texting, playing games, using apps, and social networking. WP specific features like using MS Office, taking camera pictures, utilizing the People Hub etc totaled around 5 minutes of that 128.

    The point wasn't that they were accusing WP of doing the more popular activities worse than Android or iOS. It was that WP wasn't offering compelling enough reasons to show people that their way of doing those activities is any better than already existing and more established platforms, as well as ecosystems that people have already bought into. People often cite reasons like more security, MS Office integration, email, Nokia cameras, or things like People Hub etc as reasons to switch, but it appears not too many people really care about that stuff enough to rocket WP into a position of equal marketshare with iOS and Android.

    What MS needs to do is stop highlighting the wrong reasons to switch, get a better grasp of what people mostly use their phones for and refocus their efforts on those items. The big stumbling block right now is that those popular activities are largely app-centric, and the app-gap presents an obstacle.

    Just a small side note about email. Not too many people use email that much these days unless it's for work, and both Blackberry and WP really seem to have convinced themselves that email is better using a built in phone email client and "hubs". As someone who simply ported all of their personal email addresses over to gmail and uses the gmail app I can testify this is far less hassle.
    05-16-2013 08:39 AM
  2. TAB1360's Avatar
    We just need to give people a reason to buy like maybe updates o make it work better with computers than other phones and also allow people with windows phone to have exclusive features on Xbox
    05-16-2013 06:15 PM
  3. wpn00b's Avatar
    Yes WP has a chance. Everyday I tell people what I love about it and what I don't. They listen to me because I came directly from an iPhone 4 and had an iPhone 5 but sold it without activating because it simply didn't interest me. I went from Blackberry Storm to HTC Incredible, to iPhone to 8X. They each had their merits but the WP to which "there's no apps" (my friend said this last night) is by far the best one.

    Someone asked, why did MS lose 30% market share... iOS literally was 5 years ahead of everything else as Steve Jobs claimed. Google took until JellyBean to reach parity in UI responsiveness alone. Sure they have other features iOS still doesn't but what users see and feel when interacting with a device is the most important. Everything before that on Android was laggy and jumpy. Microsoft had a desktop OS clone shrunk down to work on resistive screens ONLY. It wasn't natural or easy for the average person to pick it up and use it as a daily driver. iOS was. Once Apple sold their lifestyle, it became the defacto standard. Then Android came along and that little hipster/geek inside everyone said "Apple closed. Closed bad! Google open. Open good!" iPhone became an elitist symbol and Android was the torch bearer for openness and cheap knockoffs of the rich guys smartphone. Sure they were garbage but hey, you have widgets!

    Basically they each sold lifestyles and ideologies while MS offered nothing but a clunky interface lifted from the desktop. They had nowhere to go but down.

    Now Google is on top with Android and everyday I hear people consider switching to an iPhone because they are tired of their buggy "droids".

    That's when I ask, "Have you heard of Windows Phone?"...
    05-16-2013 06:53 PM
  4. dba415's Avatar
    Microsoft will never beat android, they might be able to overtake Apple but that would require many mistakes from Apple I don't see happening.
    05-16-2013 09:36 PM
  5. cuzincurly's Avatar
    I think WP does have a chance (coming from an ipod touch that does phone calls [though an attachment] and a few android devices). It's just uncluttered without being just an app launcher. Its simplicity is its core strength, making it highly intuitive because you don't have all the bells and whistles to do tasks. MS should focus on this and further improve other features such as the lack of a notification center and VPN support.

    Here are a few things that stand out for me.

    1. Alphabetized app list with a dedicated app search button
    -it takes me ages to go through a gazillion of android apps because I have to keep on swiping and looking into folders just to find my app. Here, I just swipe to the right and click the search button for the app that I'm looking for.

    2. Start screen with live tiles.
    -all my important apps are there with easily readable notifications. I could fit as many apps as I can in the start screen, resizing them as a fit, unlike android which I have to swipe around to view all my widgets. Since everything is square and has a particular theme, the apps look uniformed and sleek as they can be.

    3. Dedicated camera button and lenses.
    -In my line of work, I have to take pictures in an instant in quite rugged settings (construction sites etc.) so I have to work fast. Even if my screen is locked, I could set up the camera immediately through the dedicated camera button. No need to to unlock the screen and find my camera app.

    4. Single volume control.
    -This is shocking even for myself, but it works because I don't have to look into my profiles to change the volume for various notifications. It's quicker this way specially in meetings wherein I have to move quickly. If I need my phone to be silent, I'll just hold dedicated volume button and click the vibrate icon then everything goes silent even my key pad tones.

    5. People and Messaging hubs [and other apps that allow you to pin articles on the start screen].
    -This makes keeping track of my relatives, co-workers and other important information because everything is integrated into a single place, and the live tiles can give me updates with just a glance.

    Other than those, I still want some of my favorite apps such as instagram [I'm not hoping anymore, but the substitutes are quite nice], a notification center and FM radio support (which would come in the next update)
    05-16-2013 09:44 PM
  6. 12Danny123's Avatar
    I think WP has a chance :-)
    05-16-2013 09:48 PM
  7. TAB1360's Avatar
    Sure blackberry sucks but now were third best in the world
    05-16-2013 10:08 PM
  8. mlm1950's Avatar
    They rolled with Windows 7 for a couple of years, and it didn't do squat. I'd say they are doing pretty good with Windows 8. If they can just roll out everything they promised at launch, they should do even better.

    Did people think they would be #1 or #2 after such a short amount of time?
    05-16-2013 10:20 PM
  9. spaulagain's Avatar
    Of course it has a chance. Windows Phone has the benefit of riding the backs of Windows, Xbox, Office, Outlook, etc.

    Look how long it took for MS to get the Xbox killing the competition, at least 5 years? Now I'd say it's THE game council, and soon to be THE entertainment center.
    Laura Knotek likes this.
    05-16-2013 10:21 PM
  10. usnberry's Avatar
    WP8 just took no. 3 spot from BBRY. I think that if they can push and tweak their OS they have a great chance at a 5-8% market share in 2014.

    Their OS is easy to learn, smooth and very personal-izable. Many big apps are here, and more coming out each month. The hardware is up to par and overall experience is agreeable.

    Blue might be the update they need to breakout, but I think WP8 needs some tender tweaks (quick adjust menus, notification center, app organizer) and a flashly flagship with that cool concept customizable color band to catch consumers attention.
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    05-16-2013 10:35 PM
  11. Simon Tupper's Avatar
    I believe Microsoft should surprise us with a redesign of their tiles. Not something drastic but small changes. Its been a while since WP is out and I think MS should always be looking for a new way to present Metro. You must never believe that your first shot was your greatest.
    wpn00b likes this.
    05-16-2013 11:08 PM
  12. Laura Knotek's Avatar
    I believe Microsoft should surprise us with a redesign of their tiles. Not something drastic but small changes. Its been a while since WP is out and I think MS should always be looking for a new way to present Metro. You must never believe that your first shot was your greatest.
    They already have redesigned the tiles. Tiles were all one size until 8/7.8.
    05-16-2013 11:12 PM
  13. smoledman's Avatar
    No because Google is blocking their services on Windows Phone and that is the primary thing people care about.
    05-17-2013 02:08 AM
  14. Simon Tupper's Avatar
    They already have redesigned the tiles. Tiles were all one size until 8/7.8.
    it was a nice change, bu maybe if we could edit buil-in apps' tiles from the start screen by choosing a particular accent or by picking a picture from your library. WP would be even more personal.
    wpn00b likes this.
    05-17-2013 03:37 AM
  15. Daniel Ratcliffe's Avatar
    I think WP does have a chance (coming from an ipod touch that does phone calls [though an attachment] and a few android devices).
    How did you pull this off? I presume the attachment makes it able to accept a SIM card? If so I would love that for my iPod Touch. Be nice to have that option for when my Nokia dies.
    05-17-2013 03:49 AM
  16. Dave Blake's Avatar
    Its interesting to me how I see a thread like this posted every time Windows Phone has a big announcement. Usually posted by someone with obvious Android. or IOS bias like the OP of this thread. Obviously there is room for a three that is WP and there is even room for a 4&5. Not ever person is going to like the same thing. We need choices in smartphones competition helps the bottom line. We all benefit from this. Samsung makes some compelling hardware but Android is rough to use, can you have to many options? My mother in law doesn't need 5 ways to set the volume on her phone it to confusing to her. She gets frustrated the starts to hate her phone. Like it or not people she represents the majority smart phone users. We are the minority here discussing this topic. Most people using Android devices don't know how to use 50% of the options available and never will. This is where iPhone came in and stole the show with a simple easy to use OS. IOS needs a refresh its getting old and tired don't get me wrong iPhones have some of the best apps they steel the show with options and some of the things they do and it is done in a very simple easy way. The icon launchers over a background with no real information added approach is bland.

    Windows Phone steps in with a simple easy to use OS. The MS store is growing with a building app market. Microsoft made into the OS some simple and easy ways to keep in touch with family and friends. The 10% discussing this will have to get used to some things on WP things they miss from other OS's. Its simple WP doesn't do that, its not needed, its too confusing the average consumer wants a simple easy fluid phone experience. I don't think the question here should be "Does Windows Phone even have a chance anymore?" what the question should be is "When will WP be #2"
    05-17-2013 07:41 AM
  17. freestaterocker's Avatar
    Its interesting to me how I see a thread like this posted every time Windows Phone has a big announcement. Usually posted by someone with obvious Android. or IOS bias like the OP of this thread. Obviously there is room for a three that is WP and there is even room for a 4&5. Not ever person is going to like the same thing. We need choices in smartphones competition helps the bottom line. We all benefit from this. Samsung makes some compelling hardware but Android is rough to use, can you have to many options? My mother in law doesn't need 5 ways to set the volume on her phone it to confusing to her. She gets frustrated the starts to hate her phone. Like it or not people she represents the majority smart phone users. We are the minority here discussing this topic. Most people using Android devices don't know how to use 50% of the options available and never will. This is where iPhone came in and stole the show with a simple easy to use OS. IOS needs a refresh its getting old and tired don't get me wrong iPhones have some of the best apps they steel the show with options and some of the things they do and it is done in a very simple easy way. The icon launchers over a background with no real information added approach is bland.

    Windows Phone steps in with a simple easy to use OS. The MS store is growing with a building app market. Microsoft made into the OS some simple and easy ways to keep in touch with family and friends. The 10% discussing this will have to get used to some things on WP things they miss from other OS's. Its simple WP doesn't do that, its not needed, its too confusing the average consumer wants a simple easy fluid phone experience. I don't think the question here should be "Does Windows Phone even have a chance anymore?" what the question should be is "When will WP be #2"
    Couldn't have said it better if I tried.
    05-17-2013 08:09 AM
  18. Artisel's Avatar
    Microsoft will never beat android, they might be able to overtake Apple but that would require many mistakes from Apple I don't see happening.
    I'm pretty sure I remember hearing that same thing about Apple and Google...
    Laura Knotek likes this.
    05-17-2013 11:42 AM
  19. omniusovermind's Avatar
    I've often questioned whether the market will allow there to be room for a #3 or 4 just going by how we've seen the computer industry unfold over the past couple of decades. It's pretty much nailed shut between Windows and MacOS. Linux after all this time never has been able to reach the marketshare of that duopoly. I think all of the "other" desktop OS's combined only reach about 2% currently
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    05-17-2013 12:03 PM
  20. MinnesotaSteve's Avatar
    Microsoft usually garners success by waiting for the competition to screw up. The XBox 360 took over because the PS3 was hard to develop for, as an example.

    I think the shine is wearing off Apple. They're starting to get a lot of negative commentary about their stores and genius bar's who can no longer help customers. Their OS looks dated and ugly. The phones are too small for how people are using phones these days, etc. I'd say if Apple doesn't announce something this fall, a major OS redesign and larger displays on phones they're going to start losing market share.

    Given the quality of the Nokia phones, there is a chance for Microsoft to pick up those shifts... rather than them going to Android. But I wouldn't hold my breath. Right now the problem is it's lacking too many features, things that phones have had for years, along with apps. This is improving with WP8, but I'm not sure it's fast enough.

    The way Microsoft dominated the web browser was because Netscape's code base was so poorly done they couldn't respond to changes fast enough. So IE won. then they sat on their thumbs and let Mozilla rewrite the browser and suddenly IE couldn't respond to changes fast enough. But then Google came along with Chrome and doubled down on development efficiency again. Google's developers are smart, and while I suspect Apple's problem right now is a bloated code base I don't think Android suffers the same problem.
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    05-17-2013 12:12 PM
  21. MinnesotaSteve's Avatar
    I've often questioned whether the market will allow there to be room for a #3 or 4 just going by how we've seen the computer industry unfold over the past couple of decades. It's pretty much nailed shut between Windows and MacOS. Linux after all this time never has been able to reach the marketshare of that duopoly. I think all of the "other" desktop OS's combined only reach about 2% currently
    The reality is the OS has never been important.

    It's the apps.

    It's something Apple learned the hardway with the desktop, and why their mobile position is still strong.
    05-17-2013 12:13 PM
  22. a5cent's Avatar
    I've often questioned whether the market will allow there to be room for a #3 or 4 just going by how we've seen the computer industry unfold over the past couple of decades. It's pretty much nailed shut between Windows and MacOS. Linux after all this time never has been able to reach the marketshare of that duopoly. I think all of the "other" desktop OS's combined only reach about 2% currently
    Same here. I'd like to think there is room for a #3 and even a #4 and #5. I hope Dave is right, but I'm ever more sceptical. I just don't see developers supporting that many uniquely different ecosystems, and I think the ecosystems are what will ultimately decide each platforms fate.
    05-17-2013 01:53 PM
  23. a5cent's Avatar
    Google's developers are smart, and while I suspect Apple's problem right now is a bloated code base I don't think Android suffers the same problem.
    I don't know about iOS, but the Android code base is almost entirely out of control at this point. As a result, Google tends to avoid alterations to the OS as much as possible. Most of Google's efforts go into the apps that are distributed along with the OS (Maps, Google Now, etc) and ecosystem integration.

    That is the exact opposite of what Microsoft is doing, who continue to reengineer the lowest levels of the OS, while not paying as much attention to the user facing features.
    05-17-2013 02:03 PM
  24. Dazzi's Avatar
    How did you pull this off? I presume the attachment makes it able to accept a SIM card? If so I would love that for my iPod Touch. Be nice to have that option for when my Nokia dies.
    lol -- I think they mean Viber and Facetime.
    05-17-2013 02:17 PM
  25. Jaskys's Avatar
    No there's no hope for windows phone we can go and cry now.
    But seriouslly, you think android came from nowhere ? It was a **** which was bullied by symbian and iOS alot, i never expect android to take off.
    Windows phone has bigger growth rate then android has and have now, doesn't it show you anything ?
    Windows phone will take off, but the question is will it be as popular as android? Or it will always stay as underdog...
    05-17-2013 02:22 PM
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