06-08-2013 09:35 PM
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  1. Bballbenb's Avatar
    Are they? It just seems like the past month has been great for Microsoft.

    -New Outlook.com plus features (Adding google talk)
    -Xbox One
    -New Lumia Phones
    -New Apps (Halo, Rayman, Jetpack Joyride, MSN, 3rd party Snapchat and Instagram, etc)
    -New updates to the Surface (Windows 8.1, Outlook)


    There probably is even a few more I am missing. Just seems like I am hearing a lot of positive things recently and their products are being more in the news. I still think Windows Phone is going to keep growing and expanding. They need Blackberry 10 to be a bust and to get into the corporate world to pick up some more shares.

    Thoughts?
    06-05-2013 11:26 AM
  2. Darren Walsh's Avatar
    Windows Phone 8 rules! That is all !!!!!
    06-05-2013 11:28 AM
  3. anon(6038817)'s Avatar
    I don't think BlackBerry 10 is going to be a bust. Their flagship Q10 is rolling out in the U.S. this week and, by most accounts, it is already doing very well overseas. This is the phone diehard CrackBerries and physical keyboard fans have been waiting for, and I think it will do better than expected. BB has also announced the Q5, a cheaper alternative to the Q10 targeted at emerging markets. BB still enjoys some popularity in certain areas of the world, and as long as they don't drastically mess up the roll-out of their BB10 devices, I think they will be able to right their ship.

    That said, BlackBerry devices are built, first and foremost, around communication and productivity and run the risk of being able to only attract a niche market. I think most people today are more interested in content consumption (apps, music, movies, books). iTunes, Google Play, and Amazon are the clear leaders where that is concerned. BlackBerry has tried to do some of this through BlackBerry World, but it just can't compare at this stage in the game.

    In short, BlackBerry devices excel at communication and productivity, but are weak for content consumption. iOS and Android devices excel at content consumption, but are weak for communication and productivity.

    Windows Phone 8 intrigues me because, from what I know about it, I think it has the potential to be very good at BOTH content consumption AND communication/productivity. It's still a little rough around the edges, but I think it is getting close to finding a great balance between those 2 extremes. And once it finds that balance, I think it will really surge in popularity as a mobile computing platform.

    I've been pretty set on getting a BlackBerry Q10, but the more I learn about WP8, the more I want to just grab a Lumia 521 to try it out and see if it will hook me.
    06-05-2013 01:09 PM
  4. Dave Blake's Avatar
    Its always interesting to me how the OP of a thread can make comment to his thread topic and instead of addressing the topic one small statement becomes the focus. This time lets not turn this into a BB thread and instead lets address the topic.

    Please stay on topic in this thread.
    06-05-2013 01:17 PM
  5. anon(6038817)'s Avatar
    Its always interesting to me how the OP of a thread can make comment to his thread topic and instead of addressing the topic one small statement becomes the focus. This time lets not turn this into a BB thread and instead lets address the topic.

    Please stay on topic in this thread.
    My apologies. I thought my post addressed the OP quite well. I talked about Android, iOS and WP8 in addition to BlackBerry. It was certainly not my intention to turn this in to a "BB thread". Again, I'm sorry if it came across that way.

    If we're discussing whether or not Microsoft is finally turning the corner, its competition needs to be a part of the discussion, does it not?
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    06-05-2013 01:25 PM
  6. stmav's Avatar
    It is nice to see things on an upswing these last few weeks. Besides the things the OP mentioned, I like the new ads that have been coming out lately and getting a positive response. And from the rumors in various posts on the forums, it looks like there are more things coming in the near future.
    06-05-2013 01:32 PM
  7. fatpigeon's Avatar
    Let's just hope they aren't turning the corner like this:

    Though what with Windows 8, it's hard to tell.

    You do kind of get the sense that things are finally if not starting to slot into place, then the places where the slots are supposed to be are at least sort of emerging out of the fog. But it's only recently, and it only takes some moron at the Verge to froth at the mouth following WWDC and carpet-bomb the web with Apple stories - and the perception of momentum could be lost again.
    06-05-2013 04:29 PM
  8. WPFanboy's Avatar
    YES! but they need to show us what WP 8.1 will have too =)
    06-05-2013 06:11 PM
  9. Jazmac's Avatar
    Seems to me they are making the bold moves they were known for back in the day. I do like the new XBOX. Saving up as we speak.
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    06-06-2013 09:17 AM
  10. lippidp's Avatar
    WP8 is not ready for the corporate world. MS has chosen to sell to consumers. They are copying the Apple model: make a consumer device with consumer services and rely on the consumerization of IT.
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    06-06-2013 09:22 AM
  11. Bobert_123's Avatar
    Its always interesting to me how the OP of a thread can make comment to his thread topic and instead of addressing the topic one small statement becomes the focus. This time lets not turn this into a BB thread and instead lets address the topic.

    Please stay on topic in this thread.
    No offence Dave, but I feel Newfangled's post was on topic seeing as the OP talked about BB10 having to be a bust at the end of his post, just sayin ;)
    06-06-2013 10:01 AM
  12. stmav's Avatar
    No offence Dave, but I feel Newfangled's post was on topic seeing as the OP talked about BB10 having to be a bust at the end of his post, just sayin ;)
    I disagree. Of course he doesn't have to agree about BB being a bust. But there was no need for a post about why it will succeed. There is a forum here at WPC where he can extol the virtues of BB all day. The gist of the thread is MS turning the corner not the viability of another OS.
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    06-06-2013 10:12 AM
  13. anon(6038817)'s Avatar
    I disagree. Of course he doesn't have to agree about BB being a bust. But there was no need for a post about why it will succeed. There is a forum here at WPC where he can extol the virtues of BB all day. The gist of the thread is MS turning the corner not the viability of another OS.
    Then the OP went off topic by mentioning BB in the first place.

    He implied BB needs to tank for WP8 to be viable in the corporate world.

    I said BB probably won't tank, but WP8 can still be viable if they strike a good balance between content consumption and communication/productivity.

    I guess we'll have to agree to disagree on this one. But again, I wasn't trying to derail the thread.
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    06-06-2013 12:50 PM
  14. snowmutt's Avatar
    At the risk of going off subject, because I want to go back on subject, which is actually a different subject from from these past posts on this thread which is about a subject other then what is being discussed.....

    I am still concerned about MS. I love their vision, but I am not sure at what point that vision becomes an effective set of products and services. I know they have the means to make a solid ecosystem, but they just seem to be still a large corporation trying to fit unmatched pieces together instead of one company with a single goal. The transition to a mobile based world will be almost complete in a few more years, and I worry MS will be more of a service provider as opposed to a leader in systems.

    I love the fact they are trying to "turn the corner" and have a complete world of mobile OS, entertainment, business solutions, and services. But the snails pace they are moving I am worried the entire street will have changed by the time they make that left turn.
    06-06-2013 02:11 PM
  15. Bobert_123's Avatar
    Then the OP went off topic by mentioning BB in the first place.

    He implied BB needs to tank for WP8 to be viable in the corporate world.

    I said BB probably won't tank, but WP8 can still be viable if they strike a good balance between content consumption and communication/productivity.

    I guess we'll have to agree to disagree on this one. But again, I wasn't trying to derail the thread.
    Exactly
    06-06-2013 02:35 PM
  16. Dave Blake's Avatar
    At the risk of going off subject, because I want to go back on subject, which is actually a different subject from from these past posts on this thread which is about a subject other then what is being discussed.....

    I am still concerned about MS. I love their vision, but I am not sure at what point that vision becomes an effective set of products and services. I know they have the means to make a solid ecosystem, but they just seem to be still a large corporation trying to fit unmatched pieces together instead of one company with a single goal. The transition to a mobile based world will be almost complete in a few more years, and I worry MS will be more of a service provider as opposed to a leader in systems.

    I love the fact they are trying to "turn the corner" and have a complete world of mobile OS, entertainment, business solutions, and services. But the snails pace they are moving I am worried the entire street will have changed by the time they make that left turn.

    Now that is an interesting subject...lol
    06-06-2013 02:38 PM
  17. stmav's Avatar
    Then the OP went off topic by mentioning BB in the first place.

    He implied BB needs to tank for WP8 to be viable in the corporate world.

    I said BB probably won't tank, but WP8 can still be viable if they strike a good balance between content consumption and communication/productivity.

    I guess we'll have to agree to disagree on this one. But again, I wasn't trying to derail the thread.
    Nothing wrong with agreeing to disagree at all.
    06-06-2013 02:52 PM
  18. Angry_Mushroom's Avatar
    I don't think MS needs to turn any corners. They appear to be doing well enough money wise to just need to maintain their momentum. You could argue that the new apps aren't really that important. They could/should have showed up much earlier, but they didn't. Still no official Steam or Instagram. (For those who care about picturesque food) Also the X1 is hardly the publicity that MS needed. It's been generally received poorly from what I've been able to find. I really don't think that BB's downfall is needed to make way for WP8. I think that a reduced market share of Android and Apple is more likely at this time. I am kinda disappointed that only Lumias are being released. I'd like to see more manufacturers pick up the platform. A single platform for an OS might make for a smooth experience, but it limits ultimate market share.

    As for 8.1? I think that's an excellent move. I would be surprised if Win8 didn't pickup more steam after 8.1 drops.
    06-06-2013 05:46 PM
  19. fatpigeon's Avatar
    A single platform for an OS might make for a smooth experience, but it limits ultimate market share.
    Um...

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    06-06-2013 07:00 PM
  20. Dave Blake's Avatar
    Microsoft is turning the corner WP8 is being adopted by more and more smartphone users. The writer for WPC can't seam to get the good news articles written fast enough these days. I believe this is because people are starting to see a need for WP integration with their other devices. Here is the hold back though. Microsoft needs to silence the critics to punch through. The negative press caused by the dislikes from people like us the WP community. Windows Phone 8 is missing a few basic features these need to be addressed. I am clueless why these things don't just get done already. I know there is nothing that IOS, Android or BB can offer that is worth giving up what WP does better. That said if Microsoft will silence the critics it will help WP not only turn a corned but will propel WP way down the road.
    Last edited by Dave Blake; 06-06-2013 at 08:33 PM.
    06-06-2013 07:43 PM
  21. gsquared's Avatar
    Make no mistake, the giant has awoken after 10 years of government beat-down. Per Tim Cook, Jobs warned him that "Redmond is always working". He was particularly aware of this as he, a man of such aggogance was once forced to bow before Big Bill.
    06-06-2013 08:23 PM
  22. gsquared's Avatar
    Let's just hope they aren't turning the corner like this:
    http://forgifs.com/gallery/d/204418-...party-hard.gif
    Though what with Windows 8, it's hard to tell.

    You do kind of get the sense that things are finally if not starting to slot into place, then the places where the slots are supposed to be are at least sort of emerging out of the fog. But it's only recently, and it only takes some moron at the Verge to froth at the mouth following WWDC and carpet-bomb the web with Apple stories - and the perception of momentum could be lost again.
    Wow. I would so kick that guys ***. WTF was he thinking.
    06-06-2013 08:48 PM
  23. smoledman's Avatar
    Man, what an ugly retro looking interface.
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    06-07-2013 12:09 AM
  24. fatpigeon's Avatar
    Man, what an ugly retro looking interface.
    But see, that's pretty much all we've got in the end. It's important, but really that is the one standout feature of WP - the UX. That ugly retro 'mainstream hipster' thing does more (not even counting the app gap), and moreover has all the important details worked out as you'd expect a mature mobile OS to have, not left hanging half up in the air like WP at this moment.

    If iOS comes out all flat and slick with 7 as a response, WP could lose significant steam, especially as the majority of people who laughably give themselves the title of "tech journalist" (sure, if we can call the likes of the cast of Jersey Shore, Jenny McCarthy or hell, Jessica Alba a tech journalist too) all over the webs will be falling over themselves to praise Apple for their 'innovation' in flat design.
    06-07-2013 02:47 AM
  25. WanderingTraveler's Avatar
    But see, that's pretty much all we've got in the end. It's important, but really that is the one standout feature of WP - the UX. That ugly retro 'mainstream hipster' thing does more (not even counting the app gap), and moreover has all the important details worked out as you'd expect a mature mobile OS to have, not left hanging half up in the air like WP at this moment.

    If iOS comes out all flat and slick with 7 as a response, WP could lose significant steam, especially as the majority of people who laughably give themselves the title of "tech journalist" (sure, if we can call the likes of the cast of Jersey Shore, Jenny McCarthy or hell, Jessica Alba a tech journalist too) all over the webs will be falling over themselves to praise Apple for their 'innovation' in flat design.
    I'll have to wait till WWDC if I'm going to make a verdict.
    Meanwhile, based on what I've heard, it's going to be nothing more than a facelift. The same UI is still in place: rows upon rows of icons.

    And, no, the UI isn't the only thing WP has. You have out-of-the-box functionality: XBL (which is admittedly barebones), Office Mobile (also barebones), XBOX Music + Video (still quite lacking) and Bing Search (nothing outside the US)

    Half-baked, but can still improve. And, let's not forget about hardware. We have single-core phones running as smoothly as quad-core phones. Well, when apps use it, it's a different story, but WP can run on low-end hardware and deliver a high-end experience.

    At the end of the day, though, we have to vote with our (empty, in my case) wallets.

    It's quite a shame that I don't really trust most tech journalists anymore, though.
    Last edited by WanderingTraveler; 06-07-2013 at 03:13 AM. Reason: Mistakes in spellling
    06-07-2013 03:07 AM
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