11-08-2013 07:20 PM
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  1. Fade_z's Avatar
    Got to light a match under the WP team's feet! I think they're slow to make changes in some instances because it may affect the cosmetics of the design, but seriously, why is vibrate on a separate switch? Off, on, vibrate, and vibrate plus sound should all be available equally. It's the dozens of little extra hurdles that they need to refine and simplify.
    well wp8 is reasonably new, so i would expect these features early 2014 at the "blue" update.
    08-03-2013 04:44 PM
  2. david90531's Avatar
    No back button on IE, is this for real?!
    08-03-2013 05:54 PM
  3. Fade_z's Avatar
    No back button on IE, is this for real?!
    maybe you haven't noticed but there is a big button with an arrow on it at the bottom called the "back button"
    08-04-2013 08:28 AM
  4. slavrenz's Avatar
    maybe you haven't noticed but there is a big button with an arrow on it at the bottom called the "back button"
    If you and david90531 had bothered to read the previous posts, you would see what the OP is referring to. If you open IE, switch to another app, then go back to IE, the back button stops working to take you to old web pages. It simply closes out the app instead.
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    08-04-2013 08:37 AM
  5. ricardios's Avatar
    The reason I'm sticking with windows phone is its clean and fast UI. Don't want to go back to multiple messy home screens with Android. I also prefer the lag-free experience of WP.
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    08-04-2013 08:58 AM
  6. Fade_z's Avatar
    If you and david90531 had bothered to read the previous posts, you would see what the OP is referring to. If you open IE, switch to another app, then go back to IE, the back button stops working to take you to old web pages. It simply closes out the app instead.
    Open IE with holding the back button and select it from the multitasking view.

    And the post i was quoting should have said something about what you just said to avoid misterunderstandings
    08-04-2013 09:09 AM
  7. Ed Boland's Avatar
    Whenever I want to go back to a previous page in IE, I just pull up the recent/history thing and use that.. avoiding all of the back button frustration.
    08-04-2013 09:24 AM
  8. maj71303's Avatar
    The reason I'm sticking with windows phone is its clean and fast UI. Don't want to go back to multiple messy home screens with Android. I also prefer the lag-free experience of WP.
    Lets gone head put this lag thing to rest I can tell that most that buy android phones buy some of the crappiest out there. Then go to the high end side that has some of the clunkiest UI's imaginable. Android lags because of the clunkie UI's these manufacturers put on them to differentiate their products. This lag free experience of WP is indeed false as I have one and it makes for a new experience. WP does indeed lag when switching from one app to the other and from going from the tiles to the application list. Depending on what you're doing you also get those dots scrolling at the top of the screen which sorry in my book is a delay to doing things. Every smartphone platform has stutters, lag, and delays when doing some things. So let's put this farce of UI's being smooth to rest because it is false for all platforms as at some point they will stutter, lag, and have sizable delays in task.
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    08-04-2013 09:25 AM
  9. Nogitsune Micah's Avatar
    Lets gone head put this lag thing to rest I can tell that most that buy android phones buy some of the crappiest out there. Then go to the high end side that has some of the clunkiest UI's imaginable. Android lags because of the clunkie UI's these manufacturers put on them to differentiate their products. This lag free experience of WP is indeed false as I have one and it makes for a new experience. WP does indeed lag when switching from one app to the other and from going from the tiles to the application list. Depending on what you're doing you also get those dots scrolling at the top of the screen which sorry in my book is a delay to doing things. Every smartphone platform has stutters, lag, and delays when doing some things. So let's put this farce of UI's being smooth to rest because it is false for all platforms as at some point they will stutter, lag, and have sizable delays in task.
    I doubt anyone can honestly say that windows phone does not lag. It does...however android is far worse and there is nothing that can be said otherwise.

    With all these processors and ram and other gimmicks powering these phones you would think that they wouldn't lag like they do. using the excuse that people buy low end devices that are crp isn't much of am excuse.

    Why? Because I can buy a cheap 521 and get a vastly superior experience on phones running the same hardware specification as low end androids. In fact the 521 runs smoother than some androids with 1 GB ram and dual core processors.

    I used android for three years and the stuttering when pressing the home button to get to the main screen, the app freezing when you launch them....i can go on and on.

    The user interface also isn't a suitable excuse. For Samsung to be the most powerful android devices, it makes no sense that their phones still lag as they do with touchwiz. That is still android, its just not pure android.

    Windows phone does tend to lag from time to time but I'm glad that with windows phone I don't have to actively keep checking which apps are running in the background like I did with android.

    The lag free experience isn't false but it might be slightly inaccurate but I can say I can go days without noticing lags on my Lumia.

    Can't say the same for my last android devices.
    08-04-2013 09:44 AM
  10. a5cent's Avatar
    This lag free experience of WP is indeed false as I have one and it makes for a new experience. WP does indeed lag when switching from one app to the other and from going from the tiles to the application list. Depending on what you're doing you also get those dots scrolling at the top of the screen which sorry in my book is a delay to doing things. Every smartphone platform has stutters, lag, and delays when doing some things. So let's put this farce of UI's being smooth to rest because it is false for all platforms as at some point they will stutter, lag, and have sizable delays in task.
    You do not understand the term "lag".

    Saying an OS lags is making a statement about a technical fault, but not every delay is a fault! For example, when you launch a program, the executable files must be transferred from storage into RAM. This process always requires some time, causing a delay, on any OS, and on any smartphone. This is not a fault, but a technical necessity. If we are going to call this technical necessity "lag", then we might as well stop using the word entirely, as it provides no additional meaning beyond what the English word "delay" already has to offer.

    Typically, the term "lag" refers to a devices inability to scroll the content area of a touch based display precisely in coordination with your finger movements. This may result in the content area lagging behind your finger (which is where the term comes from), or the content area jumping/stuttering to keep up, instead of following smoothly (which is why some use the term smooth or fluid as the opposite as lag).

    That is why it is correct to say that WP devices lag less, at least when compared to similarly spec'ed Android devices. That doesn't mean that using a WP device is completely without delays and reacts instantaneously at all times.
    08-04-2013 11:25 AM
  11. Iain_S's Avatar
    yes the 520/521 is the best selling phone in many countries right now, it has taken the world by storm. We are not talking about the most used phone here we are talking about sales of a phone in the last quarter and the 520/521 beats them all in the countries where it is available.
    08-04-2013 12:34 PM
  12. maj71303's Avatar
    You do not understand the term "lag".

    Saying an OS lags is making a statement about a technical fault, but not every delay is a fault! For example, when you launch a program, the executable files must be transferred from storage into RAM. This process always requires some time, causing a delay, on any OS, and on any smartphone. This is not a fault, but a technical necessity. If we are going to call this technical necessity "lag", then we might as well stop using the word entirely, as it provides no additional meaning beyond what the English word "delay" already has to offer.

    Typically, the term "lag" refers to a devices inability to scroll the content area of a touch based display precisely in coordination with your finger movements. This may result in the content area lagging behind your finger (which is where the term comes from), or the content area jumping/stuttering to keep up, instead of following smoothly (which is why some use the term smooth or fluid as the opposite as lag).

    That is why it is correct to say that WP devices lag less, at least when compared to similarly spec'ed Android devices. That doesn't mean that using a WP device is completely without delays and reacts instantaneously at all times.
    Wrong as lag is subjective depending on the person's perception. What may be acceptable use and function to you may not be for me. Thats why when people talk about it's so laggy and this lags not so much as this phone did for me..... it is a personal perception that can easily be dismissed because it is subjective. So i indeed dismiss your definition of it and the other posters as well. Because at the end of the day each platform has it's flaws and things it does well. And I care less what you think that lag is. I also care less how you defend the platform because the thread is about what the problems are with WP keeping people using WP.

    The op is talking about software improvements to the platform that will bring it to par with the other platforms, not what's wrong with other platforms.
    08-04-2013 01:10 PM
  13. JamesDax's Avatar
    I'm actually gaining faith in Windows Phone.
    08-04-2013 01:54 PM
  14. a5cent's Avatar
    So i indeed dismiss your definition of it and the other posters as well.
    So, basically, you reserve the right to invent your own definition of the term, which is exactly what you are accusing everyone else of doing. Fine. Just don't expect anyone to agree with your definition, and don't expect to converse meaningfully using your own fantasy vocabulary.

    I realize that the general public is unaware of a precise definition of the term "lag", as it relates to touch based input. I agree that many statements referring to "lag" can be dismissed as a result. However, the definition I provided is not my personal interpretation, but the definition of the term as used by the software community that develops these devices. It is the only meaningful definition of the term (that I am aware of), but you are obviously free to reject that definition as well.

    Finally, the purpose of my post was not to defend WP, but to defend the word "lag" from being further reduced towards utter meaninglessness.
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    08-04-2013 02:37 PM
  15. greedypnguin's Avatar
    People don't buy windows phones because of business And financial loss, by that I mean, other os' have a Barclays app, wp doesn't. Easyjet app is available on other os. Not on wp. But also there are the teens who need social apps like Instagram and tumblr. We don't have Instagram. If there were.less games and more of these we would have a lot more customers and more business would choose windows phone. This is my theory
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    08-05-2013 08:32 AM
  16. tdsweetwheels's Avatar
    WP has Tumblr, Twitter, Facebook, and Pinterest. Facebook Twitter and Pinterest are the top 3 social networks on the planet. All are official ones too. It has already been revealed that Instagram and Snapchat are both coming to windows phone as both of the 3rd party apps have been removed from the market which means they are on their way. Other than that I see no distinct difference in app availabity from other os. Oh wait, they both have about 400,000 garbage apps nobody uses that WP doesnt.
    08-05-2013 10:25 AM
  17. greedypnguin's Avatar
    Business apps. But I see where you're coming from, however I have never heard of pintrest
    08-05-2013 09:35 PM
  18. tdsweetwheels's Avatar
    Pinterest is mainly dominated by women. Its a social site where people share interests like cooking recipes, artwork, and or hobbies
    08-06-2013 12:46 PM
  19. JamesDax's Avatar
    My daughter and wife use pinterest.
    08-09-2013 06:12 AM
  20. mohit9206's Avatar
    Threads like these make me a bit scared whether or not to invest in WP.I am currently using Android and looking to switch to WP but the mature Jellybean OS is tough to ignore(currently on Gingerbread).MS must include big features with every update and release the updates quickly but MS is not doing enough to push WP.I am not a big fan of MS but i do love Nokia.The only reason am interested in WP is because of Nokia Lumia 520.
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    08-10-2013 02:51 AM
  21. devize's Avatar
    I am currently using Android and looking to switch to WP but the mature Jellybean OS is tough to ignore.The only reason am interested in WP is because of Nokia Lumia 520.
    Good luck finding a phone on Jelly bean in the 520's price range. Honestly, if you're looking in that price range for a new phone then WP can't be beaten. Different story for the high end market.
    08-10-2013 03:32 AM
  22. cckgz4's Avatar
    At the end of the day, everyone will be tired with a device at some point. Windows Phone's use of live tiles won't be the reason for consumers to get bored.

    Also, its a phone at the end of the day. You figure out your needs, and decide if that platform works for you



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    08-10-2013 03:42 AM
  23. Kevin N Smith's Avatar
    OP is right about the IE back-button. That MS placed app-navigation and web-page-navigation on the same button leads to all kinds of chaos.

    For example, if you switch to IE using the task switcher, using the hardware back button takes you back to the previous app, when you might have wanted to move to the previous web page, which is no longer possible.

    The two concepts need to be separated. Software based forward and backward buttons for web page navigation, and the hardware button for navigation between apps (which is what it is used for everywhere else). This would also allow us to close IE with a single tap of the hardware back button, instead of requiring us to spam it.

    I consider this one of WP's worst design flaws.
    True. 8.1 should remove the back and search button, or at least the search one (They are capacitive and will turn off). Therefore, it is not only unifying the Windows Experience (8.1 has no back key), it is taking this annoying bug away. Make search into a app plke W8's Bing.
    08-10-2013 03:49 AM
  24. Kevin N Smith's Avatar
    Threads like these make me a bit scared whether or not to invest in WP.I am currently using Android and looking to switch to WP but the mature Jellybean OS is tough to ignore(currently on Gingerbread).MS must include big features with every update and release the updates quickly but MS is not doing enough to push WP.I am not a big fan of MS but i do love Nokia.The only reason am interested in WP is because of Nokia Lumia 520.
    Don't worry about this thread. There is GDR2, 3, and 8.1 coming over the next 6 months. Ios can't get a single one out.
    Last edited by eric12341; 08-11-2013 at 01:06 PM. Reason: No calling others a troll
    08-10-2013 04:07 AM
  25. WanderingTraveler's Avatar
    True. 8.1 should remove the back and search button, or at least the search one (They are capacitive and will turn off). Therefore, it is not only unifying the Windows Experience (8.1 has no back key), it is taking this annoying bug away. Make search into a app plke W8's Bing.
    Search isn't a button due to the charms. Removing back isn't an option unless you can remap closing apps manually by, say, swiping down from the top.
    And, don't forget about the apps that need to be recoded.
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    08-10-2013 04:10 AM
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