11-08-2013 07:20 PM
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  1. psudotechzealot's Avatar
    “A quitter never wins and a winner never quits”-Napoleon Hill
    08-11-2013 06:15 AM
  2. 11B1P's Avatar
    Wrong as lag is subjective depending on the person's perception. What may be acceptable use and function to you may not be for me. Thats why when people talk about it's so laggy and this lags not so much as this phone did for me...
    Actually, no.

    verb (used without object) 1. to fail to maintain a desired pace or to keep up; fall or stay behind

    a5cent is actually correct. Lag is the screen response to your input, not from switching between apps.
    08-11-2013 07:40 AM
  3. 11B1P's Avatar
    Threads like these make me a bit scared whether or not to invest in WP.I am currently using Android and looking to switch to WP but the mature Jellybean OS is tough to ignore(currently on Gingerbread).MS must include big features with every update and release the updates quickly but MS is not doing enough to push WP.I am not a big fan of MS but i do love Nokia.The only reason am interested in WP is because of Nokia Lumia 520.
    Guess you don't realize, the various os' that Android releases, only get released to specific devices. Whereas, you will find better support for WP8, where the majority of phones, if not all WP8 devices, will get the latest update.
    08-11-2013 07:52 AM
  4. tissotti's Avatar
    to Be honest I agree. But I like the way IE10 in windows 8 does it. Just swipe back to your previous page. Genius. With the WP and windows team merging together I think we'll get that feature
    +100

    Love the concept on IE10, though that switching isn't perfect in IE10 on Windows 8.

    This makes so much sense for Windows Phone 8 IE. Granted I can see it being implemented slightly harder on WP thanks to smaller screen and separation between big and smaller movement. Nothing would be more irritating than accidently going back when moving around the site. Still the current IE is a bit slow these days compared to Android and iOS and the UI needs changes.
    08-11-2013 01:05 PM
  5. eric12341's Avatar
    +100

    Love the concept on IE10, though that switching isn't perfect in IE10 on Windows 8.

    This makes so much sense for Windows Phone 8 IE. Granted I can see it being implemented slightly harder on WP thanks to smaller screen and separation between big and smaller movement. Nothing would be more irritating than accidently going back when moving around the site. Still the current IE is a bit slow these days compared to Android and iOS and the UI needs changes.
    Wouldn't say slower, it's just that more information is loaded before the page is displayed which may give the perception that it's slower when it actually isn't.
    08-11-2013 03:31 PM
  6. WinFan1's Avatar
    No back button on screen, because THERE IS ONE NEXT TO YOUR HOME BUTTON
    lol im sorry but i pictured someone getting exponentially mad as they said that. funny response.
    greedypnguin, bawboh86 and kriz225 like this.
    08-12-2013 10:13 AM
  7. kriz225's Avatar
    Actually, no.

    verb (used without object) 1. to fail to maintain a desired pace or to keep up; fall or stay behind

    a5cent is actually correct. Lag is the screen response to your input, not from switching between apps.
    Firstly, I'd like to disclose that I am a long-time Android user who also happens to be a fan of what Microsoft has done of late and will almost certainly be switching to WP8 in the near future.

    With that said, as intelligently as you and a5cent articulated your thoughts I feel that they are misguided. 11B1P, the generic definition you quoted provides 0 evidence that the term "lag" relates to screen response. Moreover, dictionary definitions and the denotation of words are rather useless when applied in a vacuum. Connotation, the perceptive meaning of a word is what truly matters.

    So, socially speaking, from an individual who is very much in the "tech sphere," the term lag is typically used to refer to an unexpected delay. This word is often used in gaming to refer to degraded network or GPU performance. In computing it is typically used to discuss poor software operation as related to both hardware and/or software. In networking it is used to describe poor network performance. In video capture it is typically associated with low frame rates. The list continues in this fashion. It should be noted that in every single one of these instances the term lag is used colloquially and doesn't have a proper technical definition.

    It is because of this that MAJ71303 has a point when saying that "lag is subjective" and dependent "on the person's perception." For example, someone who upgraded their computer from a Core i3 to a Core i7 would likely describe the change as going from "normal" to "fast." Someone who did the exact opposite and downgraded their computer from an i7 to an i3 would likely describe the change as going from "normal" to "slow" or "laggy." Let's remember that while the word delay can be concisely defined as something which isn't instantaneous the word lag is subjective. None of the realms it is applied to will ever be instantaneous, but when used it typically indicates an increased delay from what is expected or considered normal, which is a subjective frame of reference.

    All that aside, I'd say that MAJ71303 is utterly wrong to dismiss everyone's commentary on WP8's "lag-free" environment because, while the wording is a bit misleading, it is mostly true by comparison. What I mean is, regardless of what your frame of reference for "lag" is, a comparable piece of hardware on WP8 has less unexpected delays than it's Android (or even iOS) counterpart.

    I can honestly say that as an avid Android user for over 4 years who has always sought performance in the best hardware and the cleanest OS variants possible (mostly custom ROMs for my rooted Android phones) I was thoroughly impressed by WP8's performance when I tested a mid-range WP8 demo phone at a local store.
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    08-17-2013 11:34 AM
  8. bawboh86's Avatar
    I can honestly say that as an avid Android user for over 4 years who has always sought performance in the best hardware and the cleanest OS variants possible (mostly custom ROMs for my rooted Android phones) I was thoroughly impressed by WP8's performance when I tested a mid-range WP8 demo phone at a local store.
    I had used Android since the release of the OG Droid, and ended up making a full switch to WP8 this last December (I'd owned an L900 before, but couldn't make the switch and stuck with my HTC One X). I made the switch for this very reason. Not to mention, being forced to reboot my Android phones about once a month just to get rid of some of the lag was bothering me. This was a stock device running the latest version of Android (at the time), so I can't say it was a buggy ROM (which I had encountered in the past). That said, I have nothing against Android, but I thoroughly enjoy the smoother experience of WP8 more. I like that Android is pushing the features further in mobile devices, but feel that WP8 is a more fluid experience with the features it has.
    montsa007 and kriz225 like this.
    08-17-2013 12:25 PM
  9. KitN's Avatar
    As a current owner of Android devices running pure Android (as Google intended) via Nexus devices (Nexus 4 & Nexus 7) as well as owing an iPhone (and have had every iPhone from the beginning) as well as a brand new Windows Phone 8 device (L521), I can say, without bias, that all platforms have their pros and cons.

    All platforms experience "lag"/"stutter" at one point or another whether from a sloppily written 3rd party app or too many apps open hogging too many resources or an OS hiccup, or whatever. All of them experience it once in a while so stop the hate, please.

    Yes, WP8 is indeed lacking some "basic" functionality long since present in other OSes. Like the ability to directly close programs, real multitasking, a real notification shade...

    I mean, when I open up most programs, I have no #@&% idea what time it is or what notifications I have or if WiFi is still connected, etc! That's some garbage! :eek:

    Basic functionality goes right out the window and is inaccessible to me unless I close out the program (spam that Back arrow!!) or press that Windows button to get back to the home screen. Come on! I shouldn't have to guess what time it is or what that notification chime was! I should be able to see all of this with little to no effort on my part via a drop down, ALWAYS ACCESSIBLE notification bar or a static one.

    That just ONE example. There are a bunch of others that negatively impact basic functionality. But even with that said I still love my Live Tiles and Metro UI in spite of its shortcomings.

    And, yes, Microsoft needs to be quicker to address issues and add the missing functionality to ALL devices running WP8, not just to the highest end phones. (A back/forward button in IE doesn't require an HD screen, 1+ GBs of RAM, etc. :rolleyes: )

    Get moving, Microsoft! You've got a lot of catching up to do: Add those missing features to ALL WP8 devices and stop being lazy and wanting to force people to keep upgrading hardware that should have had these basic software implementations out of the box!

    Sent from my Nexus 4 with my Nokia Lumia 521 resting nearby
    jaimeastin likes this.
    08-17-2013 04:00 PM
  10. cckgz4's Avatar
    Eh.

    Just like that makes you upset, what makes me VERY upset is having to clear out the SAME notifications in three spots (notification shade, the icon on the homescreen, and the lock screen notification). I like that I am able to pick and choose what notifications I want to keep track of on WP8 via my homescreen and live tiles. It's not perfect (facebook notifications do come in much later), but neither are the other platforms. Your basic functionality is not my basic functionality.
    a5cent likes this.
    08-20-2013 04:12 PM
  11. jmshub's Avatar
    The nice thing about Microsoft and Nokia being separate companies is that they can each concentrate on their specialties. Nokia can concentrate on hardware design, and Microsoft does the OS. It may not have the total integration like Apple, but I think it means that there are two companies who are entirely behind the ecosystem of Windows Phone.

    For instance, Samsung sells Android like gangbusters, but would drop it in a heartbeat if they thought that anybody would use Bada.
    08-21-2013 09:41 PM
  12. ajst222's Avatar
    Well, OP, I am gaining faith in Windows Phone to be honest. I have a lot of confidence that Microsoft and Nokia are in it for the long haul and I give them credit for finally digging their heels into the ground and gaining traction.
    08-22-2013 08:14 AM
  13. a5cent's Avatar
    With that said, as intelligently as you and a5cent articulated your thoughts I feel that they are misguided.
    We all agree that the term "lag" lacks a precise temporal definition. That aspect of the term truly is subjective and dependent on personal perception. I have no idea why you failed to notice, but this wasn't disputed by anybody; not I, MAJ71303 or anyone else. So no, we are not misguided, but you might want to read more carefully next time.

    You included a list of things that the term "lag" may refer to when used in different contexts (network lag, monitor lag, etc). In all of those cases, the nature of the delay being referred to is quite clear, which is equally true of smartphone lag. Admittedly, this sais nothing about the temporal extents of that lag, but that was never the issue.
    08-22-2013 11:31 PM
  14. kriz225's Avatar
    We all agree that the term "lag" lacks a precise temporal definition. That aspect of the term truly is subjective and dependent on personal perception. I have no idea why you failed to notice, but this wasn't disputed by anybody; not I, MAJ71303 or anyone else. So no, we are not misguided, but you might want to read more carefully next time.
    I invite you to take your own advise and re-read 11B1P's post below:

    Actually, no.

    verb (used without object) 1. to fail to maintain a desired pace or to keep up; fall or stay behind

    a5cent is actually correct. Lag is the screen response to your input, not from switching between apps.
    As you can plainly see, he quoted a dictionary definition of the word "lag" which referred in no way to touch-sensitive interfaces nor user input to an electronic device and yet derived the conclusion that it supported your statements indicating such.

    I merely refuted this and indicated that:

    a) The term "lag" is a colloquial term which is applied to various forms of unexpected delays with great liberties taken on its true meaning.
    b) Words only take on meaning when it is assigned to them. If you (and phone manufacturers) choose to say that "lag" refers exclusively to a delayed response to touch-based input that's fine. However, don't try to tell me and the rest of the internet that this is the sole and truest meaning of the word when I have used it and seen it used in a plethora of other socially acceptable ways.

    In a broader sense, all I said is that linguistics is the study of language as is used by humankind, not a set of rules by which humankind must communicate (as you implied by dismissing your fellow poster's interpretation of the word lag)

    You included a list of things that the term "lag" may refer to when used in different contexts (network lag, monitor lag, etc). In all of those cases, the nature of the delay being referred to is quite clear, which is equally true of smartphone lag. Admittedly, this sais nothing about the temporal extents of that lag, but that was never the issue.
    If this is the meaning you took from my post then I suppose I must apologize for my lack of eloquence, for my point was just the opposite. What I intended to carry is that the term "lag" has many different connotations in many different contexts, but has no quantitative denotation as it applies to any of them.

    In other words, "lag" means that there is an unexpected delay in some function. The term itself does not denote what the action is, nor what the expected delay was, and hence is a subjective term.
    08-23-2013 12:48 AM
  15. JustlMe's Avatar
    In my eyes Nokia is definitely doing its best here releasing good (and sexy ) phones and continuing to support and push the WP market. I think its just Microsoft that needs to push a little more. Don't get me wrong I'm currently loving my windows on my l1020. But it would be nice is microsoft did mend some bugs and get some features in now instead of leaving those bug fixes and implementations of new features for the next huge update.

    As im a fresh user , just moved from iphone 5, I'm having lots of faith in windows! And i hope they pick it up ! ( obviously properly testing the updates first before releasing it )
    08-23-2013 01:07 AM
  16. cckgz4's Avatar
    To be on topic, I think this is probably the biggest Windows Phone has ever been. I only see it growing
    08-23-2013 03:40 AM
  17. montsa007's Avatar
    I worship WP8 everyday :), left droids for smoother experience, my next switch is going to be a WP8 only ;)
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    08-23-2013 06:08 AM
  18. Adrian Finn1's Avatar
    Thinking of leaving windows phone myself, i have lumia 620 and quite honestly i do really like it but i keep having this problem with ie and uc browser where it just keeps kicking me back to the tiles while browsing, especially when browsing facebook. I have been trying to get help with this issue but from what I'm hearing its some sort of low memory problem and that i should just clear the cache regularly. Not sure that is right or not but i shouldn't really have to keep doing that and i think it should be able to dynamically manage that for me and/or start using sd memory in order to give me a seamless browsing experience. Would be excellent if that could happen cuz it would just be a case of banging in a big sdcard. Its just so annoying and i hope it will be solved with or by the time we get windows 8.1 update because I'm gonna have to go with the latest android because it seems so much rich in content apps and features. i feel i am constantly missing out on things compared to my android buddy's. Sort it out Microsoft or your gonna lose alot of people. I have been a fan of Microsoft for over a decade and i don't want to go. Anyone else have same or similar issue as me?
    11-08-2013 07:20 PM
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