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  1. bryantest's Avatar
    Listening to this week's Windows Weekly is very interesting Windows Weekly 327 | TWiT.TV

    Paul Thurrot is slightly negative and is scared Nokia is going to be changed and become like Microsoft. I don't know exactly what this means.
    He means that he's afraid people working for Nokia Devices will be sucked in Microsoft's corporate culture that is described as Slow, Complacent and Arrogant. (Read the Vanity Fair story about Microsoft for reference. I will guarantee you that you will never ever see Microsoft in the same light again after reading said article)

    The only hope we have in making this acquisition work is that Microsoft will be instead influenced by Nokia's underdog and agile mentality.
    WanderingTraveler likes this.
    09-05-2013 09:56 PM
  2. bryantest's Avatar
    I don't think people understand that the Lumia team will continue to make lumias just under the Microsoft brand... Nokia isn't going away just the brand name.





    Sent from my Lumia 925 using Tapatalk
    May I suggest you read articles about "Brand Equity"
    09-05-2013 09:56 PM
  3. spaulagain's Avatar
    He means that he's afraid people working for Nokia Devices will be sucked in Microsoft's corporate culture that is described as Slow, Complacent and Arrogant. (Read the Vanity Fair story about Microsoft for reference.)

    The only hope we have in making this acquisition work is that Microsoft will be instead influenced by Nokia's underdog and agile mentality.
    Considering the staff will remain mostly intact and stay in Finland, I really don't see the Microsoft culture magically brainwashing them overnight.

    In addition, Microsoft has been actively trying to fix their culture and become a more agile business. So defeating that kind of culture at Nokia would be counter to their goals.
    WanderingTraveler likes this.
    09-05-2013 10:00 PM
  4. bryantest's Avatar
    Considering the staff will remain mostly intact and stay in Finland, I really don't see the Microsoft culture magically brainwashing them overnight.

    In addition, Microsoft has been actively trying to fix their culture and become a more agile business. So defeating that kind of culture at Nokia would be counter to their goals.
    Have you read this? Honestly I think system is main culprit of the corrupt corporate culture at Microsoft.

    Microsoft CEO Steve Ballmer retires: A firsthand account of the company’s employee-ranking system. - Slate Magazine

    Can you imagine a Nokia employee being evaluated by this kind of performance evaluation system? DAMN!
    09-05-2013 10:10 PM
  5. houkoholic's Avatar
    Oh please, it's not like Nokia culture is all roses and rainbows. Look at this crap Nokia had before Elop came in:

    Juhani Risku, a manager who worked on user interface designs for Symbian from 2001 to 2009, said his team had offered 500 proposals to improve Symbian but could not get even one through.
    Imagine staying to work for a company like THAT, is it any better and less demoralising than stacked ranking? Arguable.

    The best take away is that Elop DID fix this kind of stupid management bureaucracy at Nokia with the flood of release of all these great handsets and he is coming back to MS to lead the Device and Service division. So stay optimistic.
    Blu3V3nom07 likes this.
    09-05-2013 10:20 PM
  6. Reflexx's Avatar
    Have you read this? Honestly I think system is main culprit of the corrupt corporate culture at Microsoft.

    Microsoft CEO Steve Ballmer retires: A firsthand account of the company’s employee-ranking system. - Slate Magazine

    Can you imagine a Nokia employee being evaluated by this kind of performance evaluation system? DAMN!
    Then let's hope that Elop become CEO.
    09-05-2013 10:30 PM
  7. psudotechzealot's Avatar
    Winning Guy is take you Microsoft haters to school! Good job bro.
    09-06-2013 01:10 AM
  8. JustToClarify's Avatar
    Oh please, it's not like Nokia culture is all roses and rainbows. Look at this crap Nokia had before Elop came in:



    Imagine staying to work for a company like THAT, is it any better and less demoralising than stacked ranking? Arguable.

    The best take away is that Elop DID fix this kind of stupid management bureaucracy at Nokia with the flood of release of all these great handsets and he is coming back to MS to lead the Device and Service division. So stay optimistic.
    noone can deny that Nokia needed change, but they needed change to a better...
    09-06-2013 02:59 AM
  9. WanderingTraveler's Avatar
    Oh please, it's not like Nokia culture is all roses and rainbows. Look at this crap Nokia had before Elop came in:



    Imagine staying to work for a company like THAT, is it any better and less demoralising than stacked ranking? Arguable.

    The best take away is that Elop DID fix this kind of stupid management bureaucracy at Nokia with the flood of release of all these great handsets and he is coming back to MS to lead the Device and Service division. So stay optimistic.
    A case of miscommunication.

    You know other cases in Nokia's history?
    -Series 80 cancelled in favor of Series 60.
    -The fiasco that was S60 5th Edition
    -The Symbian team not having a say in anything MeeGo-related (i.e. Working separately)
    09-06-2013 03:34 AM
  10. Villain's Avatar
    How long do you think before we see a Microsoft branded device?


    Does seem like a set up and a shady take over... Elop a former MS head goes to Nokia as the CEO, Nokia announces an Exclusive deal with Microsofts OS, Balmer retiring and Elop rumored to be runner up for Microsofts new CEO, Microsoft purchases Nokia.

    BUT guess what? I don't care! and excited! excited Microsoft will most likely drop other OEM's like HTC, Samsung, LG etc who half @$$ supported Windows Phone in favor of Android because its a free OS... I dislike Iphones BUT one thing you can't knock is Apple owns and makes it's own hardware and makes sure it a quality built device. I expect MS to have Surface quality devices pushed to all carriers and not restricted to exclusive carrier deals due to being able to afford marketing for them.

    Let Samsung smoother Android and let HTC try for another 6 months and go bankrupt.


    Not a Nokia fanboy either... My WP devices were the LG Optimus Quantum, Titan II, HTC 8X and currently using a Samsung ATIV S.
    09-06-2013 03:49 AM
  11. seelani's Avatar
    Finally seeing some positivity in this thread despite our skepticism about the deal.
    It makes sense that Steve Ballmer needs to leave for the new culture to takeover Microsoft.
    I believe Elop maybe one of the best men for the job. However while saying this, I must remind you that the boards at Nokia/Microsoft were ultimately responsible for their choice of CEO. There is no such thing as a "shady" deal.
    Turns out Nokia was losing strength in their market, Windows needed hardware expertise. So we had the Nokia Lumia line. Just at this point to improve the relationship/business Microsoft has purchased Nokia's devices and services. But Microsoft ain't stupid enough to try all this under old leadership and culture.

    Looking forward to Surface standard products running a fluid and sexy OS, that can do actual work. And perhaps Nokia coming out of this deal as the powerhouse mobile device company we all know and love.
    09-06-2013 04:59 AM
  12. Daniel Ratcliffe's Avatar
    Have you read this? Honestly I think system is main culprit of the corrupt corporate culture at Microsoft.

    Microsoft CEO Steve Ballmer retires: A firsthand account of the companys employee-ranking system. - Slate Magazine

    Can you imagine a Nokia employee being evaluated by this kind of performance evaluation system? DAMN!
    I read that. Holy Jetiznot....
    09-06-2013 05:21 AM
  13. JFH_2012's Avatar
    It's not. It's only bad for the Nokia fans.
    I agree with you. It's a very good deal for Nokia itself, but terrible for Nokia fans like me.
    09-06-2013 07:04 AM
  14. maverick786us's Avatar
    The only quality hardware that Microsoft produces is Xbox
    Nokia might not provide all its secret component to Microsoft to succeed. Any ways that's my presumption. Now that Nokia is taken i wish Microsoft good luck and continue the vision created by Nokia
    Blu3V3nom07 likes this.
    09-06-2013 11:18 AM
  15. iamtim's Avatar
    the only quality hardware that microsoft produces is xbox
    Really? LOL.
    09-06-2013 11:59 AM
  16. Daniel Ratcliffe's Avatar
    The only quality hardware that Microsoft produces is Xbox
    Nokia might not provide all its secret component to Microsoft to succeed. Any ways that's my presumption. Now that Nokia is taken i wish Microsoft good luck and continue the vision created by Nokia
    Microsoft LifeCam. Microsoft LifeChat. Yet two more quality products from Microsoft.
    09-06-2013 12:07 PM
  17. mogelijk's Avatar
    Microsoft keyboards and mice tend to be good, though like all manufacturers there are some that aren't as good.
    09-06-2013 01:40 PM
  18. Reflexx's Avatar
    The only quality hardware that Microsoft produces is Xbox
    Nokia might not provide all its secret component to Microsoft to succeed. Any ways that's my presumption. Now that Nokia is taken i wish Microsoft good luck and continue the vision created by Nokia
    What hardware does MS make that isn't high quality?
    09-06-2013 08:49 PM
  19. dw852's Avatar
    I used to have a M$ optical mouse, it costs me about US$12 and last for less than a year. Then I bought another no brand optical mouse for US$1, and I have been using it for 2 years.

    Oh... btw, I am using a ThinkPad laptop and it is not very good in quality too.
    09-06-2013 09:35 PM
  20. Reflexx's Avatar
    I used to have a M$ optical mouse, it costs me about US$12 and last for less than a year. Then I bought another no brand optical mouse for US$1, and I have been using it for 2 years.

    Oh... btw, I am using a ThinkPad laptop and it is not very good in quality too.
    My sister had a Nokia that had to be replaced after 2 months.

    But overall, Nokia makes quality devices. Same with Microsoft.
    09-07-2013 12:34 PM
  21. maverick786us's Avatar
    What about Nokia's partnership with Carl Zeiss? Will it still remain?
    09-07-2013 11:02 PM
  22. stalemate1's Avatar
    IMO as a result of this deal, Nokia has become the OFFICIAL windows phone...but I wonder if this will damage Nokia's originality, though it's good to know that they are keeping most, if not all the employees and keeping the headquarters in Finland, so Nokia will stay a Finnish company like it always has been.

    Let me explain by what I mean by official Windows phone. It would have the same value/exclusivity/favour as iPhone has to Apple, so Nokia will be to Microsoft.
    09-08-2013 05:18 AM
  23. JustToClarify's Avatar
    Nokia has become nothing, since its mobile division ceased to exist under Nokia name.
    09-08-2013 11:24 AM
  24. Reflexx's Avatar
    Nokia has become nothing, since its mobile division ceased to exist under Nokia name.
    Nothing except a profitable and stable company that has a legitimate chance to become the #1 provider of location services in the world.

    So yeah. Other than being a world leader in a high tech market, they're nothing.

    SMH
    09-08-2013 01:41 PM
  25. paulxxwall's Avatar
    What hardware does MS make that isn't high quality?
    Xbox 360 rrod on my third one
    09-09-2013 07:25 AM
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