10-18-2013 11:14 AM
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  1. Jas00555's Avatar
    Well then obviously you are not this theoretical phones audience. Which is fine. But for someone who has never used one of the operating systems it would be a great way to try them both out. I don't see this ever happening, but a reboot has never been a pain for me, I really don't understand what would be a pain about it. I've never had an android phone so to me this is intriguing.
    Regardless if I'm the target audience is beside the point. The point is that not many of these phones would be sold, so it wouldn't beneficial to HTC or Microsoft to make this.

    If someone is going to buy a phone and they're not sure if they'll like it, they'll try a phone with one OS and if they don't, give it back within 30 days, then buy the other instead of deciding which one they like more then being stuck with wasted space (the other OS).

    There's a reason they don't sell dual-boot computers
    10-05-2013 05:57 PM
  2. a5cent's Avatar
    There's a reason they don't sell dual-boot computers
    Because anyone that wants one can easily setup a dual-boot solution themselves?
    10-05-2013 06:22 PM
  3. Jas00555's Avatar
    Because anyone that wants one can easily setup a dual-boot solution themselves?
    If they were so easy, then you'd have the option when you buy it "to raise awareness of Linux". No, they don't sell them because people would rather buy the OS they want instead of one they do and one they don't.
    10-05-2013 07:09 PM
  4. SwimSwim's Avatar
    I think it's great. Someone who bought it for Android will have no excuse to not at least try Windows Phone, since it will be at no additional cost to them. I feel many don't want to at least give Windows Phone a shot because they think they won't like it, and it would cost them extra money to do so. With this, no additional charge, so I feel we will see an influx of people trying it and liking it.
    10-05-2013 07:48 PM
  5. MobileVortex's Avatar
    If they were so easy, then you'd have the option when you buy it "to raise awareness of Linux". No, they don't sell them because people would rather buy the OS they want instead of one they do and one they don't.
    Linux will never been an OS (by itself maybe a custom version (steamOS)). If steamOS kicks off i can almost guarantee there will be dual OS computers on the market. There is nothing hard, or inconvenient about dual booting. I agree it's not for the "average" computer user, but there are more and more tech savy people out there. The age of "how do i copy and paste" is beginning to end.
    10-05-2013 09:17 PM
  6. futurefrankie's Avatar

    attention! Attention

    !the lumia 1520 has eye scrolling!
    10-05-2013 09:22 PM
  7. bsd107's Avatar
    I also think this has been totally misinterpreted. I think MS is simply asking HTC to put WP8 on existing Android phone IN PLACE OF Android (or to offer separate versions of the same android hardware but only with WP OS installed). Making a dual-boot device is perhaps interesting, but does not really make sense....
    10-06-2013 12:10 AM
  8. a5cent's Avatar
    If they were so easy, then you'd have the option when you buy it "to raise awareness of Linux". No, they don't sell them because people would rather buy the OS they want instead of one they do and one they don't.
    I'm not sure. IMHO the issue is cost. It costs money to setup, test and support such a dual-boot installation, and that cost would inflate the selling price... you can't get people to pay for Linux, if their interest is Windows, particularly in the highly competitive PC hardware business. I think that kills the idea right there. In the subsidized phone market, that cost is probably not so important.

    If it is marketed as a value added feature, that you get for free, I think that would convince a few: "buy the system you know and love, and get the opportunity to test drive its shiny new competitor thrown in for free... 2 for 1."

    Theoretically of course... I doubt such a device will come to market.
    10-06-2013 03:13 AM
  9. Tre Lawrence's Avatar
    Definitely an interesting concept. I'd be interested. I do have to wonder though if Android users will have any reason to use WP, and a lot of WP users probably wouldn't use Android.

    Is this simply a scheme by Microsoft to inflate market share numbers? Think about it; a lot of Android users are also buying a WP, whether or not they care or even know it, or ever use it. Microsoft can report it as a WP sale which raises numbers even if it's never used. 5 million HTC One's were sold in the first 2 months after it was released in March 2013. If they all would've had WP8 installed it would've increased WP sales by at least 50%, judging by my rough estimation.
    Interesting idea. Is Android becoming the vehicle if choice to increase marketshare?
    10-06-2013 10:56 PM
  10. Reui's Avatar
    Ativ q? If this happens, it's either they will love the comparison of the two OS or they will not and I would not say it's a win - win for msft because there is still a chance that they would hate the WP experience.
    10-06-2013 11:07 PM
  11. ohgood's Avatar
    Interesting idea. Is Android becoming the vehicle if choice to increase marketshare?
    It would be in that scenario.

    Over night windows phone could claim 40% market share ( half of Googles 80%) by dual booting with each new phone sale.

    Of course, it would take time to see if it was being used, but developers might really start hopping at the potential.
    10-07-2013 07:09 AM
  12. a5cent's Avatar
    It would be in that scenario.
    Nope. OS market share is not typically measured by device sales. It is measured by actual internet usage stats. See one of my earlier post for an explanation.

    MS could report 40% market share based on unit sales, piggy backing off Android, but it would make them a laughing stock when the unfudged numbers from Kantar come rolling in.
    10-07-2013 08:25 AM
  13. Jas00555's Avatar
    Nope. OS market share is not typically measured by device sales. It is measured by actual internet usage stats. See one of my earlier post for an explanation.

    MS could report 40% market share based on unit sales, piggy backing off Android, but it would make them a laughing stock when the unfudged numbers from Kantar come rolling in.
    so is that why android has an 80% market share? Because it takes longer to do things on android than windows? Sounds about right to me XD
    10-07-2013 10:13 AM
  14. MobileVortex's Avatar
    Lol 80%? Are u on crack?
    10-07-2013 10:22 AM
  15. Jas00555's Avatar
    Its somewhere up there around 80%. If Windows has 6% and IOS has 15%, that would give Android about 80%
    10-07-2013 10:26 AM
  16. a5cent's Avatar
    so is that why android has an 80% market share? Because it takes longer to do things on android than windows? Sounds about right to me XD
    Sometimes I can be pretty dense, and this is probably one of those situations... lol... no idea what you're talking about.

    Lol 80%? Are u on crack?
    According to this, Android owning 80% of the mobile OS market is about right.
    10-07-2013 10:42 AM
  17. MobileVortex's Avatar
    Hmmm that article only talks about shipments. Its just hard for me to believe. In my circle only about 25-30% of the people I know / have encountered use android. They def don't have %80 in the USA. The only market that's ever mattered :P
    10-07-2013 10:54 AM
  18. Jas00555's Avatar
    What I meant was that you said its measured by mobile usage instead of device sales. I was making a jab at Android at how Windows is much easier to use, so it takes less time to do things, so that would be affecting the marker share
    10-07-2013 11:05 AM
  19. tgp's Avatar
    Hmmm that article only talks about shipments. Its just hard for me to believe. In my circle only about 25-30% of the people I know / have encountered use android. They def don't have %80 in the USA. The only market that's ever mattered :P
    The 80% figure is worldwide market share. In the US it's more like 50%.
    10-07-2013 11:34 AM
  20. a5cent's Avatar
    Hmmm that article only talks about shipments. Its just hard for me to believe. In my circle only about 25-30% of the people I know / have encountered use android. They def don't have %80 in the USA. The only market that's ever mattered :P
    Yep, typical mistake... using your friends and family as a way of estimating a product's world wide market share is a sure way to get egg on your face.

    I was specifically trying to find a report on OS market share that is based on shipped/sold units, because that is the only number MS could fudge by claiming every dual-boot device sold as a sale for WP. The report I linked to is what I found, and I remembered that it did support the 80% claim. You are right however, that most other reports show lower market share, but not much lower, usually around 70%.

    What I meant was that you said its measured by mobile usage instead of device sales. I was making a jab at Android at how Windows is much easier to use, so it takes less time to do things, so that would be affecting the marker share
    lol, please don't ever take a job in MS' marketing department to help them figure out how to improve those stats.
    10-07-2013 11:38 AM
  21. octimus's Avatar
    Microsoft also would like to put WP on samsung devices not HTC only, have the WP8 on the galaxy s4 or the galaxy note 3 knowing that the galaxy note 3 is seling to millions would be very good for microsoft
    10-09-2013 08:09 AM
  22. Villain's Avatar
    I would like it as I tend to own multiple devices (freak like that) but to many questions and current hurdles to see this happening

    - standard buttons, button requirements.
    - microsoft having restrictions for hardware... as it stands right now most worth while droids out spec MS max spec limits.
    - Storage.. we have a hard enough time with WP using up device storage let alone adding Android and all the bloat that follows
    10-10-2013 10:34 PM
  23. anony_mouse's Avatar
    If the report is correct at all, it is clearly about HTC making a Windows Phone version of their Android products, not about a dual boot phone. Apart from a few "technology fans", I don't see why anyone would want a dual boot phone.

    There might be some problems. Microsoft optimise for and certify specific hardware platforms for WP. That's the reason WP tends to be smoother (not faster) than Android on cheap hardware, but also why it's not available on the latest chipsets. I doubt HTC would want to be constrained by this for Android. It may also be the reason that we haven't seen this concept before.

    In principle though, the idea is not a bad one, but MS will have to step up and certify platforms more quickly.
    10-18-2013 08:30 AM
  24. a5cent's Avatar
    I doubt HTC would want to be constrained by this for Android. It may also be the reason that we haven't seen this concept before.
    It's the only way it would work. OEMs will either have to build their dual-boot systems on WP compatible hardware or not make the deal. Since GDR3 that limitation no longer really exists though. The Snapdragon 800 is pretty much the best thing out there besides Apple's A7.
    10-18-2013 09:32 AM
  25. anony_mouse's Avatar
    It's the only way it would work. OEMs will either have to build their dual-boot systems on WP compatible hardware or not make the deal. Since GDR3 that limitation no longer really exists though. The Snapdragon 800 is pretty much the best thing out there besides Apple's A7.
    The HTC Two might have a 3840x2160 display, or they might prefer to use the latest and greatest chip from Intel. Yes, using a MS approved chip is the only way it would work, but HTC may not want to constrain one line of phone based on limitations of another.

    Having said that, it would make sense for HTC to use one platform for both Android and WP. It should lead to cost savings. I'm not sure it will happen with the top of the range phones though, which run ahead of MS certification. It's more likely at the mid/low end, where such constraints are not so much of a problem.
    10-18-2013 10:01 AM
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