11-12-2013 08:59 PM
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  1. blzr409's Avatar
    I don't really buy into the idea that Nokia would do much better with Android. At this point Samsung has pretty much taken over that platform.

    If you look at US smartphone shipments in the last quarter, Nokia ranked 4th. Apple and Samsung of course battled it out for the top spot, followed by LG in a distant third due mainly to the great success of their Nexus phones. Nokia was next on the list, just ahead of Motorola. I'm sure if Nokia scored the Nexus deal they'd be able to leapfrog LG, but if they didn't I think they just flounder with everyone else regardless of the quality of their phones. The HTC One is an amazing piece of hardware. What did that do for HTC? They're down in 9th place, just ahead of Blackberry, and behind the likes of ZTE, Kyocera, and Huawei. Seems like it's very easy to get lost in the shuffle in the Android world.
    11-01-2013 12:06 PM
  2. DJCBS's Avatar
    Anyone who thinks it would be a good idea to invest millions of dollars into an unproven group isn't thinking straight.

    They won't be getting any money unless it's from some trust fund babies who have never worked a day jn their lives and dropped out of high school and sit around all day high on drugs.
    If the business world worked by your mind-set, there wouldn't be a Microsoft, an Apple, a Google, a Facebook etc.

    I don't really buy into the idea that Nokia would do much better with Android. At this point Samsung has pretty much taken over that platform.
    Samsung is heading in a direction that leads to it replacing Android with their own OS.
    From the pragmatical point of view, what Nokia has to offer Android is the same as they had to offer WP, with the exception they would have way more power to change the OS then they do with WP.
    So, basically Nokia would bring to Android what's arguably the best hardware in the market (build quality), camera technology ahead of any other phone OEM and a plethora of its own services and specially designed Apps, along with brand power superior to HTC, LG, Sony or other companies manufacturing Android (exception made to Samsung) in markets like the European ones.
    Would it be harder for them to compete in the Android market where other companies invest too, than it is to compete in WP where other companies don't care to compete? Sure. But the rewards to Nokia would also be bigger.
    Does that mean Nokia would have to drop Windows Phone altogether? Of course not. Just like HTC, Samsung and Huawei didn't dropped Android to produce WP devices.
    11-01-2013 12:29 PM
  3. Reflexx's Avatar
    If the business world worked by your mind-set, there wouldn't be a Microsoft, an Apple, a Google, a Facebook etc.
    The business world does have my mindset. Apple and Google didn't ask for BILLIONS of dollars with a crappy presentation and nothing to show that they could actually DO anything.
    11-02-2013 01:31 AM
  4. Jas00555's Avatar
    The business world does have my mindset. Apple and Google didn't ask for BILLIONS of dollars with a crappy presentation and nothing to show that they could actually DO anything.
    This. Unless the guy is starting a massive campaign to show off his team, he won't get any support. Simply saying "I have a dream team" means nothing to an investor.
    11-02-2013 02:38 AM
  5. DJCBS's Avatar
    The business world does have my mindset. Apple and Google didn't ask for BILLIONS of dollars with a crappy presentation and nothing to show that they could actually DO anything.
    The presentation may be crappy but do you know the guy? For all we know, the guy can be the cream of the crop of Finnish enterprise.
    No, they don't have your mind set. They'll first investigate the guy, then his proposal and the validity of his plan and then they'll decide if they'll put in any money at all in obvious exchange for certain warranties.
    Dismissing a potentially good idea just because you think the presentation is crappy simply doesn't happen. Being them greedy executives or "babies who have never worked a day jn their lives and dropped out of high school and sit around all day high on drugs" (which I call "Zuckerbergs", "Gates", "Jobs" etc.) If the guy is really committed to try and get the funds for this, then he will be able to do it if there are interested companies in taking Nokia.
    11-02-2013 04:37 PM
  6. Editguy1900's Avatar
    Thanks to Elop.
    Once again, they're NOT selling their patents. They are licensing them to MS. Without the patents, Microsoft's offer is reasonable.
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    11-02-2013 05:46 PM
  7. Reflexx's Avatar
    The presentation may be crappy but do you know the guy? For all we know, the guy can be the cream of the crop of Finnish enterprise.

    No, they don't have your mind set. They'll first investigate the guy, then his proposal and the validity of his plan and then they'll decide if they'll put in any money at all in obvious exchange for certain warranties.
    Dismissing a potentially good idea just because you think the presentation is crappy simply doesn't happen. Being them greedy executives or "babies who have never worked a day jn their lives and dropped out of high school and sit around all day high on drugs" (which I call "Zuckerbergs", "Gates", "Jobs" etc.) If the guy is really committed to try and get the funds for this, then he will be able to do it if there are interested companies in taking Nokia.
    That's not how it works. You're in dreamland.

    There are tons of people out there with swell ideas asking for money. TONS.

    Investors dont sit around investigating everyone that has a nice sounding idea with bold claims. That would be straight up foolish.

    It's the job of the people who want the money to be professional. They have to make their case with a compelling presentation and loads of documentation to back up every claim they make. The more money they ask for, the more they need to back up their claims. And the money these guys are asking for is absolutely absurd.

    You have a very strange idea about venture capitalism.
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    11-03-2013 01:49 AM
  8. DJCBS's Avatar
    That's not how it works. You're in dreamland.

    There are tons of people out there with swell ideas asking for money. TONS.

    Investors dont sit around investigating everyone that has a nice sounding idea with bold claims. That would be straight up foolish.

    It's the job of the people who want the money to be professional. They have to make their case with a compelling presentation and loads of documentation to back up every claim they make. The more money they ask for, the more they need to back up their claims. And the money these guys are asking for is absolutely absurd.

    You have a very strange idea about venture capitalism.
    Again, do you know the guy? No. So don't rush making your judgements on him or the amounts of documentation he has or has not.
    Also, do you know how high finance sometimes works? Here's a tip: suppose, say, Google, was interested in getting Nokia from Microsoft. Due to the deals terms, Nokia would have to pay MS a couple of millions if they seek or in any way helped another investor to make a counter-offer. How can Google go around this? By backing an independent entrepreneur. Getting a what we call "iron-head" to act on their behalf as CEO of another company. The funds come from the company behind him, he only serves as a face and his company as a puppet company.
    This guy can be a wishful thinker...or he can turn out to be a puppet in the hands of another major company who doesn't want to directly confront Microsoft. A company like Google. Or Samsung. Or God Knows Who.

    Again, you don't know the guy nor his background. Not all relevant CEO's have to be Jet Set people. Or known around the World. Want an example? The name "Zeinal Bava" means anything to you? I bet it doesn't. Yet he's about to become the CEO of a major multinational communications company that results of the fusion between PT- Portugal Telecom and the Brazilian Oi. That new company will rival in size with Telefnica and AT&T and is aimed at becoming the biggest carrier in Latin America. The fusion will be a billionaire deal. Do you know the guy? No, you don't. Yet we do know him here. Who tells you the same thing doesn't happen with this guy in Finland?
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    11-04-2013 06:46 PM
  9. Jas00555's Avatar
    Again, do you know the guy? No. So don't rush making your judgements on him or the amounts of documentation he has or has not.
    Also, do you know how high finance sometimes works? Here's a tip: suppose, say, Google, was interested in getting Nokia from Microsoft. Due to the deals terms, Nokia would have to pay MS a couple of millions if they seek or in any way helped another investor to make a counter-offer. How can Google go around this? By backing an independent entrepreneur. Getting a what we call "iron-head" to act on their behalf as CEO of another company. The funds come from the company behind him, he only serves as a face and his company as a puppet company.
    This guy can be a wishful thinker...or he can turn out to be a puppet in the hands of another major company who doesn't want to directly confront Microsoft. A company like Google. Or Samsung. Or God Knows Who.

    Again, you don't know the guy nor his background. Not all relevant CEO's have to be Jet Set people. Or known around the World. Want an example? The name "Zeinal Bava" means anything to you? I bet it doesn't. Yet he's about to become the CEO of a major multinational communications company that results of the fusion between PT- Portugal Telecom and the Brazilian Oi. That new company will rival in size with Telefnica and AT&T and is aimed at becoming the biggest carrier in Latin America. The fusion will be a billionaire deal. Do you know the guy? No, you don't. Yet we do know him here. Who tells you the same thing doesn't happen with this guy in Finland?
    First off, you sound like this guy is one giant conspiracy theory where there actually is a puppet company. There's not. I swear you're worse than an Apple fan.

    Secondly, if this guy were a "big shot" like he claims to be, he would know how to make a decent presentation. Seriously, I don't care if its Warren Buffett himself making the presentation, if he calls himself W. Buffett, can't be found on a Bing search related to anything he's described, and makes a haphazard presentation, hardly anyone would invest anything, let alone "5 million to 5 billion".
    Last edited by Muessig; 11-12-2013 at 12:00 PM. Reason: Removed insult
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    11-04-2013 08:18 PM
  10. Reflexx's Avatar
    YOU ARE DELUSIONAL!!

    First off, you sound like this guy is one giant conspiracy theory where there actually is a puppet company. There's not. I swear you're worse than an Apple fan.

    Secondly, if this guy were a "big shot" like he claims to be, he would know how to make a decent presentation. Seriously, I don't care if its Warren Buffett himself making the presentation, if he calls himself W. Buffett, can't be found on a Bing search related to anything he's described, and makes a haphazard presentation, hardly anyone would invest anything, let alone "5 million to 5 billion".
    Spot on.

    It's hilarious.
    11-05-2013 03:05 AM
  11. anony_mouse's Avatar
    I'm sympathetic to this bid but it has zero chance of success. It's such a shame that a great European company has been destroyed, although they did much of the early work themselves. Of course, they should have made Android and Windows Phones from the start. Probably too late now.
    11-09-2013 02:41 PM
  12. DJCBS's Avatar
    YOU ARE DELUSIONAL!!
    I swear you're worse than an Apple fan.
    Says the person crying at the possibility of Microsoft's next CEO killing useless stuff like Bing or unprofitable ones like Xbox...
    11-09-2013 05:58 PM
  13. Jas00555's Avatar
    Says the person crying at the possibility of Microsoft's next CEO killing useless stuff like Bing or unprofitable ones like Xbox...
    Well, for one, I never said "save Bing" not once. Don't know where you got that from. Probably you made it up, idk.

    Secondly, I said that the Xbox could be profitable, although it isn't now. That's the entire point of the thread I wrote, but I guess you didn't read that either. Crying though? I found it to be a civil discussion, but whatever.

    So yes, based on the fact that I never said things that you think I did, you're delusional.
    11-10-2013 02:51 PM
  14. dkediger's Avatar
    How many billion dollar deals are financed with a publicly available PowerPoint on a website? Yeah - didn't think so. These types of deals just aren't done this way. Basically the group is trying to do a homegrown Kickstarter project without Kickstarter.

    And on Microsoft's bid...If the properties being bought are so valuable, there would have been a bidding war. That it hasn't materialized essentially indicates several things:
    *) The bid (and premium) is seen by other parties as value appropriate to over-valued - hence no interest in even matching terms;
    *) Other parties don't feel a compelling need in the physical/intellectual assets being offered to pay a premium over and above Microsoft's bid.
    *) There may be another party with an offer - but it is to acquire more (or less) of the assets than Nokia's board is willing to divest.
    11-11-2013 02:28 PM
  15. Reflexx's Avatar
    Says the person crying at the possibility of Microsoft's next CEO killing useless stuff like Bing or unprofitable ones like Xbox...
    Says the person that doesn't really understand what Bing is and doesn't understand that XBOX is profitable.
    11-11-2013 05:51 PM
  16. azcruz's Avatar
    Presentation a high school student can make, J. Parda who doesn't even turn up on search, enough.
    11-11-2013 06:33 PM
  17. DJCBS's Avatar
    Says the person that doesn't really understand what Bing is and doesn't understand that XBOX is profitable.
    LOL You're pathetically fanboyish. It's not I who thinks that. It's all the bloody specialized analysts. And probably half the candidates to the place of CEO of MS.
    Bing is pathetic so I don't think it takes a genius to put an end to its miserable existence. I don't know how they reach their conclusion regarding Xbox, but I'm sure they have more knowledge about that than you and I.
    11-12-2013 08:39 PM
  18. HeyCori's Avatar
    This thread has run its course.
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    11-12-2013 08:59 PM
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