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  1. goodintentions's Avatar
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    Almost 40 million people purchased an iPhone in the last quarter. iPhones account for over 30% of US smartphone sales. They are a legitimate choice when an ordinary person wants to buy a new phone. Yes, you read that right – Apple isn't selling to some cult, they are selling to ordinary people. You're completely out of touch with reality.
    Again, I don't deny that they sell millions of these devices, just like I don't deny that trillions of flies love feces.
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    11-02-2013 12:34 AM
  2. goodintentions's Avatar
    Probably the word "fad' wasn't great for your point, then, which I mostly agree with. I sure went a different direction then what you meant. "Fad" gives the impression that something is the mobile version of the mullet. That wasn't what you were saying at all.
    Forgive me. English isn't my first language.

    But my main point remains. Look, I do not deny that the iphone is a legit choice for people as far as mobile devices go. I also do not deny that they sell millions of these units. What I'm saying is too many people allow apple to tell them what they should have.

    You can spend hundreds of dollars for marginal upgrades. It's your money. That said, if you work minimum wage, live in crappy apartment, and you sell your liver to buy an iphone or you wait in line for a week to buy the latest iAnything, isn't it time you evaluate your priorities?

    The fact remains. These are mobile devices. IF you stare at your mobile device's screen long enough to have the NEED for an ultra HD display, then you need to reevaluate your priorities. If you have the NEED to line up for a week to get a gold phone to look like Kardashian's phone, then you need to reevaluate your priorities. If you have the NEED to unlock your phone via fingerprint even though pattern is just as fast and more secure, (fill in the blank here).

    Every upgrade of the 5s is a gimmick. I don't deny that they sell millions of these because of their gimmicks. Doesn't make them any less gimmicky.
    11-02-2013 12:43 AM
  3. cckgz4's Avatar
    iPhone 5C - $100-200 on AT&T
    iPhone 4S - $1-50 on same

    Sadly, those are more likely to get the lion's share of such sales...



    while I agree, sales show that there is a GREAT interest in the 520/521 because of the price point AND not using an upgrade. I agree that those prices on contract are competitive, but everyone isn't going to be able to just upgrade to a new line by the holidays, and like I said in my post, the 520 is attractive to parents who don't want their kids to have an expensive device that they might break





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    11-02-2013 12:51 AM
  4. cckgz4's Avatar
    And labeling the supporters of the competition a name like iDiots makes is look bad

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    11-02-2013 12:53 AM
  5. psudotechzealot's Avatar
    Wait a minute. So, a few people in this forum are going to unremittingly exclude the thought of the 1520 & Note1/2/3 being flagship devices, because it's for a "niche market" & THEY/SOME PEOPLE PREFER smaller phones? In 2013? Really?
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    11-02-2013 01:56 AM
  6. ag1986's Avatar
    The fingerprint reader on the 5S is extremely unsecure as has been proved by tech people, it can be easily hacked and overridden. Also the higher end Nokia Lumias have screens with a higher resolution than the retina display, retina is 640 x 960 whereas Lumia is 768 x 1280
    It is of course not 100% secure. But you clearly are intentionally spreading FUD, or have no idea what you are talking about.

    It was fooled, not hacked or overridden. That process involves getting a good print of the phone owner from somewhere, cleaning that up digitally, printing it on thin film with a modified inkjet printer using wood glue or similar instead of ink, then carefully wrapping that around a finger.

    So, if this is a problem, you work in the CIA and someone is explicitly targeting your phone to steal America's next generation of weapons or something. For the average consumer and the average thief, this is not an issue since the latter will not have the knowledge or ability to do this sort of thing.
    11-02-2013 02:25 AM
  7. ag1986's Avatar
    Forgive me. English isn't my first language.

    But my main point remains. Look, I do not deny that the iphone is a legit choice for people as far as mobile devices go. I also do not deny that they sell millions of these units. What I'm saying is too many people allow apple to tell them what they should have.

    You can spend hundreds of dollars for marginal upgrades. It's your money. That said, if you work minimum wage, live in crappy apartment, and you sell your liver to buy an iphone or you wait in line for a week to buy the latest iAnything, isn't it time you evaluate your priorities?

    The fact remains. These are mobile devices. IF you stare at your mobile device's screen long enough to have the NEED for an ultra HD display, then you need to reevaluate your priorities. If you have the NEED to line up for a week to get a gold phone to look like Kardashian's phone, then you need to reevaluate your priorities. If you have the NEED to unlock your phone via fingerprint even though pattern is just as fast and more secure, (fill in the blank here).

    Every upgrade of the 5s is a gimmick. I don't deny that they sell millions of these because of their gimmicks. Doesn't make them any less gimmicky.

    Yes, and you are an economist who has analysed the lifestyle of the umpty-million 5S owners, qualifying you to comment on their lifestyle? Get outta here.
    11-02-2013 02:26 AM
  8. david90531's Avatar
    I have an old sock in the bottom of my wash basket that's more appealing than the iphone 5s

    how about this:
    Attachment 48474
    omg loved that phone!
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    11-02-2013 02:41 AM
  9. ohgood's Avatar
    while I agree, sales show that there is a GREAT interest in the 520/521 because of the price point AND not using an upgrade. I agree that those prices on contract are competitive, but everyone isn't going to be able to just upgrade to a new line by the holidays, and like I said in my post, the 520 is attractive to parents who don't want their kids to have an expensive device that they might break





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    Do you have a link to these sales numbers or sales interest ?
    11-02-2013 03:24 AM
  10. AngryNil's Avatar
    But my main point remains. Look, I do not deny that the iphone is a legit choice for people as far as mobile devices go. I also do not deny that they sell millions of these units. What I'm saying is too many people allow apple to tell them what they should have.
    I take issue with labelling people as idiots for choosing a brand of smartphone. But more importantly, I don't understand why you're singling out Apple in this situation as if they are some outlier. Every vendor in the smartphone market plays the game of marginal upgrades and high prices. Only a few companies offer certain models at prices to disrupt this, like Nokia with the 520 and Google with the Nexuses. And that doesn't mean they are angels, Nokia will still charge you $750 for its latest device and Google's Motorola hasn't been particularly competitive on price.

    Wait a minute. So, a few people in this forum are going to unremittingly exclude the thought of the 1520 & Note1/2/3 being flagship devices, because it's for a "niche market" & THEY/SOME PEOPLE PREFER smaller phones? In 2013? Really?
    They are a different class of device and do not directly compete. Yes, some people prefer phablets, but as it stands today, the market for smaller devices is larger. As an example, while Samsung has the Note 3 as its phablet, it also offers the Galaxy S4 (and some variants like the Active). And even though the S4 is not brand new, it's still a generation ahead of the 920/925/1020, which use a hardware chassis built to compete with the S3.
    11-02-2013 04:27 AM
  11. paulm187's Avatar
    I would say there will be a new flagship device when windows phone 8.1 is released. Sadly its too late, WP 8.1 should have been released this holiday. Android kit Kat and iOS 7 is pulling ahead and MS can't work fast enough to keep up. I'm seriously thinking of taking a break from WP when I'm up for an upgrade in March.
    11-02-2013 05:11 AM
  12. skinnypig118's Avatar
    I would say there will be a new flagship device when windows phone 8.1 is released. Sadly its too late, WP 8.1 should have been released this holiday. Android kit Kat and iOS 7 is pulling ahead and MS can't work fast enough to keep up. I'm seriously thinking of taking a break from WP when I'm up for an upgrade in March.
    Let's rephrased the question: What's Microsoft's answer to iOS7 and KitKat this holiday season? Sadly the answer is GDR3...
    11-02-2013 08:56 AM
  13. goodintentions's Avatar
    And labeling the supporters of the competition a name like iDiots makes is look bad

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    Ok. I will start calling the minimum wage people that wait in line for a week to get the latest iAnything iSupporters. Happy?

    I'm just glad my boyfriend isn't an iSupporter anymore. Minimum wage, loaded with debt, and he had to always have the latest iGimmick by waiting in line for days.

    I'm not against apple or their gimmicks. I'm against the brainwashing that gives status symbol to iSupporters that wait in line for a week.
    11-02-2013 09:17 AM
  14. nohra's Avatar
    Probably the word "fad' wasn't great for your point, then, which I mostly agree with. I sure went a different direction then what you meant. "Fad" gives the impression that something is the mobile version of the mullet. That wasn't what you were saying at all.
    I love the phrase "mobile version of the mullet"! Of course, I'm sure that's what some iphone/android users think of the 1020...

    Heck, I'm sure some WP fans think that! I know some think that way about phablets! I like both... guess I'm a mullet phone fan ;-D I'm waiting for the next version of 1520 to get the 1020s camera...
    11-02-2013 09:42 AM
  15. ag1986's Avatar
    Ok. I will start calling the minimum wage people that wait in line for a week to get the latest iAnything iSupporters. Happy?

    I'm just glad my boyfriend isn't an iSupporter anymore. Minimum wage, loaded with debt, and he had to always have the latest iGimmick by waiting in line for days.

    I'm not against apple or their gimmicks. I'm against the brainwashing that gives status symbol to iSupporters that wait in line for a week.
    Right, there are many things wrong here but let me try and set a few right:

    Everybody has an iPhone. It's available on contract for $200, just like every other manufacturer's flagship. It is not a status symbol any more. It is also not prohibitively expensive unless you buy off-contract. $200 every 2 years is not bad, even for minimum wage.
    11-02-2013 09:44 AM
  16. Jas00555's Avatar
    Forgive me. English isn't my first language.

    But my main point remains. Look, I do not deny that the iphone is a legit choice for people as far as mobile devices go. I also do not deny that they sell millions of these units. What I'm saying is too many people allow apple to tell them what they should have.

    You can spend hundreds of dollars for marginal upgrades. It's your money. That said, if you work minimum wage, live in crappy apartment, and you sell your liver to buy an iphone or you wait in line for a week to buy the latest iAnything, isn't it time you evaluate your priorities?

    The fact remains. These are mobile devices. IF you stare at your mobile device's screen long enough to have the NEED for an ultra HD display, then you need to reevaluate your priorities. If you have the NEED to line up for a week to get a gold phone to look like Kardashian's phone, then you need to reevaluate your priorities. If you have the NEED to unlock your phone via fingerprint even though pattern is just as fast and more secure, (fill in the blank here).

    Every upgrade of the 5s is a gimmick. I don't deny that they sell millions of these because of their gimmicks. Doesn't make them any less gimmicky.
    The 5S offers an easy to use OS with thousands of high quality apps and gets tons of 3rd party support. Yes, how could anyone find those appealing?

    Most people don't upgrade every year and the group of people you're hating on are a small minority. I have no evidence, but I'm going to wager that no more than 5000 people per year wait in lines every year. More people buy blackberries than that.

    Also, "Apple tells people what they should have"??? What the hell do you mean by this? I realize they're incremental upgrades, but you expect too much from Apple if you want them to start a revolution every time a product comes out. Or do you mean that Apple simply makes what they think is a good phone and ignores what some people want? If that's the case, then I have a long list of things that I would like to tell Nokia, LG, Samsung, and HTC what I would like to see from their phones.

    Call these things gimmicks all you want, but people in the forums are freaking out over Cortana, which probably wouldn't happen if not for Siri.
    11-02-2013 09:59 AM
  17. tgp's Avatar
    Right, there are many things wrong here but let me try and set a few right:

    Everybody has an iPhone. It's available on contract for $200, just like every other manufacturer's flagship. It is not a status symbol any more. It is also not prohibitively expensive unless you buy off-contract. $200 every 2 years is not bad, even for minimum wage.
    I agree. The iPhone is not a status symbol anymore. I think for WP users to call iPhone users iSheep is the pot calling the kettle black. Look at it from their perspective. iPhone is what they know, it does what they need to do, and it's not any more expensive than getting a flagship WP or Android. Why switch? They probably look at WP users who keep waiting for whatever is "coming soon" that should have come a long time ago, and rejoicing over getting rotation lock, and waiting for GDR3 which will get them caught up to 2011, and say that they're blind loyalists who are out of touch with reality. Really, what's the difference? Users from both camps are essentially doing the same thing.
    11-02-2013 10:08 AM
  18. cckgz4's Avatar
    Do you have a link to these sales numbers or sales interest ?



    I guess you don't go to the homepage





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    11-02-2013 12:39 PM
  19. cckgz4's Avatar
    Let's rephrased the question: What's Microsoft's answer to iOS7 and KitKat this holiday season? Sadly the answer is GDR3...



    and what was their answer to Windows Phone 8 last year?





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    11-02-2013 12:40 PM
  20. techiez's Avatar
    and what was their answer to Windows Phone 8 last year?
    WP8 was probably answer to android 2.3 or IOS5 in terms of functionality.
    11-02-2013 01:14 PM
  21. skinnypig118's Avatar
    and what was their answer to Windows Phone 8 last year?
    As if they need to provide an answer? Apple and Google are not the ones playing catchup
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    11-02-2013 02:33 PM
  22. cckgz4's Avatar
    Yes avoid the point which is competition rotates as far as new updates or features. IOS was being DRAGGED by the tech community for the same ol for seven years, and before IOS 7, they WERE the oldest looking platform out there.

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    11-02-2013 06:03 PM
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    11-02-2013 06:03 PM
  24. ohgood's Avatar
    I guess you don't go to the homepage





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    vague ftw.
    11-02-2013 07:00 PM
  25. tgp's Avatar
    WP8 was probably answer to android 2.3 or IOS5 in terms of functionality.
    Ha this was exactly my first thought when I saw the challenge, even those very versions!

    As if they need to provide an answer? Apple and Google are not the ones playing catchup
    Exactly! It was more like WP8 was Microsoft's attempt at an answer to Apple and Google.
    11-02-2013 09:42 PM
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