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  1. Reflexx's Avatar
    Long term investments don't always work out as expected either. I'm sure that if someone would've told the powers that be at WP's launch 3 years ago that in 3 years their global market share would be < 5%, they would've said that that's ridiculous.
    3 years isn't exactly long-term.
    11-11-2013 06:30 PM
  2. Reflexx's Avatar
    Alright, well I already voiced my opinion on what I think Microsoft should do about Xbox (though I admit I don't everything about their inner workings), and I think its a solid idea, now after thinking hard about it, I think I have an answer about Bing.

    What if, instead of keeping Bing as its own entity that investors can determine if it should be sold (and really, its not but investors see it that way), what if they integrated it to such an extent that its basically a part of the OS and its one if those things that you just can't get rid of. They've already started that with Bing smart search in W8, but by integrating it into WP, W8.X, and maybe Xbox, though I'm not 100% sure how it would work with Xbox, they could basically tell investors that its too vital and taking away Bing would be like taking away internet explorer or something like that.

    Again, this is on the assumption that the next CEO is being hounded by investors to kill Bing.

    Edit: also, I forgot to mention that by integrating it, MS could potentially just include it as OS development. They make enough off the OS to offset Bing.

    Thoughts anyone?

    It's pretty much true though. It is being tightly integrated.

    The whole story is BS.

    The board is actively looking for a CEO that can continue the path that has been laid out. They have already publicly stated this.

    If anyone is to make the short list, it's because they meet that requirement.
    11-11-2013 06:32 PM
  3. tgp's Avatar
    3 years isn't exactly long-term.
    You're right, 3 years isn't long term, but I'm sure that they thought market share would be much higher after 3 years than it is.
    11-11-2013 06:33 PM
  4. HeyCori's Avatar
    I will also like to point out that spinning off Xbox or Bing into a separate business, or even selling them to another company, could have far deeper consequences than simply a loss of potential revenue. Especially in regards to Bing. Bing isn't just a search engine. As Ars again put it:

    The Bing integration in Windows 8.1 is a sign that the company is working to put those days behind it. The Bing group's knowledge and expertise—collection and processing of vast amounts of data, extraction of semantic meaning—is being used to make another group's product—Windows—better.
    Now say Bing is spun off. Let's even say that Microsoft handpicks the CEO and has a exclusive license for the next five years. Things change in five years. That handpicked CEO might get tossed out if he can't turn a profit. A new CEO might come in that isn't so Microsoft friendly. And when it comes time to renew that exclusive license, suddenly Bing Inc. sees more opportunity in licensing their software to everyone. Should we call that the Marissa Mayer effect?

    Microsoft can't have its cake and eat it too. Basically, it can't spin Bing off while also maintaining 100% control over it. At some point, Bing Inc. could very well break ties with Microsoft. While Bing isn't profitable, the software behind it is a HUGE weapon. You don't want that just floating out in the wild. You don't want Bing to get snapped up by a competitor like Samsung or Apple. As Reflexx said, losing Bing would be a huge setback and erase any chance of them ever challenging Google.
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    11-11-2013 06:41 PM
  5. Jas00555's Avatar
    It's pretty much true though. It is being tightly integrated.

    The whole story is BS.

    The board is actively looking for a CEO that can continue the path that has been laid out. They have already publicly stated this.

    If anyone is to make the short list, it's because they meet that requirement.
    Oh, I agree, the whole thing with Elop is a bunch of BS. I can't say for certain since I'm not Elop, but I'd be willing to bet money. That still doesn't change the fact that I see analysts and (some) investors begging MS to get rid of Bing and Xbox.
    11-11-2013 06:46 PM
  6. The Hustleman's Avatar
    Recent reports suggest the company has shortlisted Ford CEO Alan Mulally and former Nokia CEO Stephen Elop as external candidates. Mulally has stated he has no intentions to leave Ford, but a Bloomberg report claims that Elop has big plans if hes made CEO.

    Elops return to Microsoft in the CEO position would reportedly involve a push for Office on Android and iOS. Elop is reportedly considering a strategy shift away from Microsofts tradition of Office running primarily on Windows PCs. Elops potential strategy is said to involve maximizing sales of Office instead of using it to push Windows PC and tablet sales.

    Bloomberg also suggests that Elop is willing to shut down or sell some major Microsoft businesses. Elop would reportedly considering killing off the companys Bing search engine, while contemplating selling the Xbox business.

    Some investors and analysts have previously called for the software giant to split off its Xbox business and give up on search. Microsoft co-founder Paul Allen appears to feel the same way. Allens $15 billion asset manager, Paul Ghaffari, revealed recently that Bing and Xbox have been distractions for Microsoft. "My view is there are some parts of that operation they should probably spin out, get rid of, to focus on the enterprise and focus on the cloud." Nomura analyst Rick Sherlund claims Microsofts financial earnings could be boosted by 40 percent in fiscal 2015 if the company sold its Bing and Xbox businesses.

    Any sale of Bing or Xbox seems unlikely, despite continued suggestions over the years. Microsoft is moving to integrate its search engine experience directly into Windows 8.1 and Windows Phone, and the company is just weeks away from launching its next-generation Xbox One console. Bing also powers a number Xbox search and app features.

    Source: http://www.windowscentral.com/elop-d...-microsoft-ceo
    Why would you want to sell xbox when it's like the main money maker for Microsoft right now?

    They're raking in billions from the xbox and we're about to enter the 8th gen, first with the ps4 then the xbox one, no way you sell it!
    11-11-2013 09:45 PM
  7. alv3st3r's Avatar
    Why would you want to sell xbox when it's like the main money maker for Microsoft right now?

    They're raking in billions from the xbox and we're about to enter the 8th gen, first with the ps4 then the xbox one, no way you sell it!
    You missed a lot of posts here, didn't you?
    11-12-2013 01:47 AM
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