01-24-2014 10:47 AM
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  1. birgs's Avatar
    Many people don't know about the desktop menu in windows 8.1. Most of them thinks that it's hard to use because only plain start screen lives styles. When they discover the desktop menu. They ask how to do that? Wow!!! It is completely beautiful.
    Windows 8.1 can do everything like smartphones have more apps like Facebook app compare to windows 7.
    12-06-2013 08:06 AM
  2. unstoppablekem's Avatar
    I love Windows 8.1. People complain about Windows 8 having no start button, and I just show them they are wrong. If they want more options, they can right click the start button. :D
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    12-06-2013 08:46 AM
  3. ajst222's Avatar
    I love Windows 8 to death. It mixes the convenience and simplicity of smartphones with a full computer OS. With the introduction of Windows 8, it's clear that apps are the future for computers and laptops and Apple has some catching up to do. Windows 8 is just what Windows (and the computer industry)needed...a fresh new OS that shook everything up. It's amazing that the same OS can work as beautifully on a tablet as it can on a desktop
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    12-06-2013 04:45 PM
  4. tgp's Avatar
    I like Windows 8.1 much better than 8. To me it's a big improvement over even Windows 7. However, I virtually never use the Start UI. I find it pretty useless. It probably is at least partially because of the way I use a computer though. But like WP apps, I find the Windows Store apps are generally low quality, and the Live Tiles show old info. They show my emails & Facebook posts from months ago.

    Besides my home use, which is pretty basic, I use Windows 8.1 it in the workplace environment. I am employed by a Microsoft partner, and with our workplace environment and support work everything is desktop based. The only time I ever go to the Start screen is to search. And most of the apps I search for are legacy apps, and the files open with legacy apps.
    12-06-2013 06:14 PM
  5. chocolateyum's Avatar
    I love 8.1 too. I don't get the hate. Besides the initial install, it's not buggy.

    I have a touch screen so that might make a difference. Only thing I don't love is the expensive future upgrades.
    01-12-2014 02:42 PM
  6. Pivotgeeks's Avatar
    most of the like i have for win 8.1 has come from playing with my moms laptop, now my workstation computer still runs win 7.
    I thought of upgrading, but currectly im on a big project and i don't wanna mess the workflow.
    so after the project. i will upgrade to win 8.1 and clean my computer...
    01-13-2014 08:35 AM
  7. Binoya Mathews's Avatar
    Well, I would like to disagree. When windows 8 came out, there were some people who said that it was the best OS ever like some comments above ,but the sales speak for themselves. Its not good enough. Windows 8.1 improves upon windows 8,but it doesn`t solve any of the issues when it comes to the desktop/a non touch enabled laptop. I for one is not a fan of the touch environment being forced on anything and everything especially not on the desktop/laptop. Yes, you get apps now on your desktop, modern apps, a little extra functionality and a better looking UI. That doesn`t justify this awful decision.
    What about the bifurcated UX? Why do you give me two experiences inside a single OS, its just BS. Give me one, either the desktop or if it is the modern UI you want to push for the future, give me that and ship the product ONLY after you are done with the transition(looking at you windows 8) and optimise it according to the hardware on which it is installed if it is touch enabled, modern/metro else desktop. One size doesn`t fit all, it simply doesn`t.Steve Jobs got that right long back, these guys are still trying and failing over and over again.
    Its ok for the time being, because windows 7 is still around but once that period is over , if there is no product which will solve all these issues, Microsoft will be in deep trouble.Touch enabled laptops, really??Not a fan at all.
    Even about modern UI, I get confused with all those tiles, especially when there is a whole lot of them on my start screen, I use my laptop presently with Apps view switched on by default. Good thing they introduced it with 8.1.Why can`t they get the simple fact that people need stuff which works not those which need to be tweaked in order to. Oh well, they realised quick settings, notification center had to be introduced 2 years later with WP 8.1, surprise,surprise..
    01-13-2014 09:56 AM
  8. anony_mouse's Avatar
    With the introduction of Windows 8, it's clear that apps are the future for computers and laptops and Apple has some catching up to do.
    I have been running apps on computers for many years. I think even Windows XP supported the installation and running of applications. If Apple computers can't run apps, I'm not surprised their market share is so small!
    01-19-2014 04:08 PM
  9. peachy001's Avatar
    As someone that is using XP, I anticipate my opinion carries little weight. I use 7 at work and love it. One thing that confuses me are the comments about the number of windows I can have open. When using my PC I frequently have many windows open. One may be a web page with multiple tabs, there may be several different word docs and a few PDFs open. I may have completely misunderstood the situation, but does 8 restrict me doing things like that? I am holding off upgrading as I also have Office, which is an expensive upgrade in itself, and adds another 90 or more to the price. I have tried Open Office too, but I just did not get on with it. Couple the price of Office and the new system cost, and I need to be putting 650 aside. I therefore cannot afford to make a bad choice regarding the OS.
    01-19-2014 04:26 PM
  10. yarvelling's Avatar
    No Peachy, you shouldn't have any problem having all those windows/programmes running. :) Windows 8.1 allows the same thing, and it also has the separate apps from it's start screen which can stay open in the background, but don't appear to be active (consuming CPU/RAM) whilst dormant, or not in the foreground.
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    01-21-2014 03:56 PM
  11. peachy001's Avatar
    But can I have them all open at the same time. I really did have 4 word docs open and displayed plus 3 different PDFs and 3 internet pages running. The screen was packed.
    01-21-2014 05:23 PM
  12. Cleavitt76's Avatar
    Yes, you open as many windows at once as you want. The desktop works the same way as Windows 7. I'm using it right now with 3 monitors, at least 50 windows running, and about 10 of those windows are visible. There are a few significant changes from Windows 7 to Windows 8.x...

    1) The start menu has been replaced with the start screen. The start screen is full screen and arranged as groups of tiles instead of the folder hierarchy that the old start menu used. People act like this is the end of the world for all kinds of made up reasons, but it really doesn't change the workflow at all. You open it, click the program or function you want, and continue working.

    2) The more common configuration settings have been duplicated in a touch friendly (full screen) settings menu. Things like basic Wifi config, volume, screen brightness, etc. The new methods are intended for people using tablets which is why those menus only cover a subset of the full Control Panel. You can still access these things (and a lot more) through the traditional Control Panel, so again it really doesn't change the workflow if you are on a desktop/laptop.

    3) Support for apps from the Windows Store (i.e. Modern UI apps). These are optional apps that run full screen and are touch optimized instead of running on the desktop. You can switch between them and the desktop very quickly. A lot of people are confused by this because they think MS is trying to replace the desktop with this UI model just because it's newer. However, that is not the case. The Modern UI apps are intended to supplement or compliment the traditional desktop and programs written for the desktop. Both will continue to exist although I'm sure over time the two UI environments will be more blended than they are now. You don't have to use Modern UI apps if you only need desktop apps. On my work computer, I only use the weather app live tile, but everything else is a desktop app. On my Surface Pro 2 I use quite a few Modern UI apps when I'm using the device as a tablet and I mostly use desktop apps when I'm using the device as a desktop or laptop. It's worth mentioning that there is a menu that allows you to set the default apps that will open Video, Music, and Picture files and you can choose either a desktop app or a modern UI app as appropriate for your device. A lot of people don't set this properly and then complain that "Windows is jumping out of the desktop all the time."

    None of these changes are "bad" they are just different, but a lot of people don't deal well with change. In most cases though, these changes are optional additions that you don't have to use if they don't make sense for your workflow. The advantage is that you have the option of different workflows on different devices or just based on what you are doing (work/play) without changing operating systems. In some cases you can even have all your workflows supported on one device (hybrid tablet/laptop + desktop docking station would allow this for most people). With other OSs you can't just jump from one app type/workflow to another. Instead, you have to change devices/OSs/apps and you have to keep all of those things updated and in sync with each other.
    Last edited by Cleavitt76; 01-22-2014 at 11:13 AM.
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    01-22-2014 10:58 AM
  13. peachy001's Avatar
    I sincerely appreciate the replies. So, I would be a traditional desktop guy, I think. Again, I must remind you that I have never used 8. So, can I not use new style apps and old school desktop programs at the same time? It sounds like the old dos/windows switching. I assume it is better than that and the two can display side by side? On 7, at work, at the bottom of my screen I have icons for Word Etc, that I can pin frequently used docs, spreadsheets to. Is that feature still there?
    01-22-2014 12:58 PM
  14. Catalin Dan's Avatar
    Yes the feature is still here, the desktop is exactly the way you know it. Also, u can use the new style apps and desktop together, like Skype/music app on half the screen and desktop/word on the other half.
    01-22-2014 01:05 PM
  15. peachy001's Avatar
    No custom minimise size I assume? Git to be honest, it does not sound as bad as I had heard.
    01-22-2014 04:48 PM
  16. Cleavitt76's Avatar
    It's not bad at all. Windows 8.1 is my favorite OS ever and I spend plenty of time using non-windows OSs so I'm not just comparing to other Windows versions. There is a bit of a learning curve compared to previous Windows versions, but it literally does everything that Windows 7 does plus new optional functionality. Everyone I know that has taken the time to understand it likes it. Everyone I know that complains about it has barely used it or not used it at all.

    The "fullscreen" modern UI apps can actually be resized to take up part of the screen with the desktop or other modern UI apps taking up the rest. It's hard to explain. Here is a screen shot of my desktop. A picture is worth a thousand words. This is a dual monitor PC so the screen shot captures both the left and right monitor. The Modern UI "Mail" app has been "minimized" to about 30% of the right screen so that I can see and respond to incoming email. At work I use Outlook, but for my home PC the simple Mail app is all I really need.

    windows-8.1-desktop.jpg
    Last edited by Cleavitt76; 01-22-2014 at 09:38 PM.
    01-22-2014 09:07 PM
  17. peachy001's Avatar
    I have to be honest.... I am struggling to see the problem. Not seriously just the missing start button? Which I understand has returned anyway.
    01-23-2014 02:48 AM
  18. peachy001's Avatar
    As it happens, went to a training session with work today. The presentation laptop had 8 on. Looked nice.
    01-23-2014 12:38 PM
  19. peachy001's Avatar
    Is there not a little corner option like before?
    01-23-2014 05:50 PM
  20. Cleavitt76's Avatar
    Are you trying to help me prove my point about people that haven't used Windows 8 talking smack about it?

    Outlook and lots of other desktop email clients have that "notification icon" functionality. They continue to work on Windows 8 the same as previous versions of windows.

    The "Mail" app (and many other Modern UI apps) also has the option to show notifications...

    email-notify.jpg

    And of course you also get the live tile update on your start screen...

    start-screen-email.jpg

    I don't usually dock the mail app to my desktop unless I am actively emailing back and forth with someone while trying to do other things. I only did it in this case as an example of how Modern UI apps can be docked since that was specifically asked about. It could just have easily been Skype, Facebook, Twitter, Stocks, or any other Modern UI app and of course you always have the option to not use Modern UI apps if you only need the desktop.

    Also, the docked Mail app doesn't just show "an ugly list of emails." It continues to function as it does when it's running full screen. If you click a message it will display the contents of the message and you can reply/forward/delete/whatever even from that narrow window. Of course you can drag the docked app larger or full screen if that makes more sense and you can make it go away by dragging its "panel" off the edge of the screen.

    As far as Facebook messages, if you are using the Facebook app you can also get live tile updates, popup notifications (even when the app is closed), and you can dock the app along side the desktop or another app very much like the Mail app. I actually do this all the time when people are messaging me, but I didn't feel like sharing a screenshot of my Facebook messages with the whole world so I didn't use it in my example.
    Last edited by Laura Knotek; 01-24-2014 at 02:23 AM.
    01-23-2014 07:31 PM
  21. tgp's Avatar
    The "Mail" app (and many other Modern UI apps) also has the option to show notifications...
    Outlook 2013 shows a notification like that as well on the Windows 8 desktop.
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    01-23-2014 08:23 PM
  22. jmshub's Avatar
    I get sick of people parroting that windows 8 is a disaster, when its clear most of them have little more than a passing glance given to Win8. While my evidence is anecdotal, I have set up several users onto new systems with Win8, some with little computer experience and coming from Xp. A few minutes to go over how 8 is different, and everyone has been comfortable with their new computer. After a little time, most admit that they actually like their new pc over even windows 7.

    I do like the changes that 8.1 added, the ability to boot to the desktop, and put the desktop background behind the start menu really makes the start menu seem just like a new menu instead of a radical new ui.
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    01-23-2014 09:40 PM
  23. Cleavitt76's Avatar
    Well, I would like to disagree. When windows 8 came out, there were some people who said that it was the best OS ever like some comments above ,but the sales speak for themselves. Its not good enough. ...
    Microsoft's quarterly earnings report says otherwise. It was released today and it is the best in at least two years. Windows sales were up despite the PC market slowing down overall.

    Sales of Windows 8 have actually been pretty good. Not quite Windows 7 good (i.e. phenomenal), but still "billions of dollars of profit" good. The difference in sales is mainly due to an overall decrease in PC sales in the past two years. People love to blame that on Windows 8, but the reality is simply that the PC market finally "caught up" to demand after a decade of insanely rapid growth. In other words, everyone that wants a PC finally has one (or more) by now.

    Also, the modern PC (both hardware and software) is much more powerful, reliable, and capable than in previous years. There is no need for most people to replace their PCs every couple of years like they did just a few years ago. Many desktop PCs sold in the last few years are quad core beasts and all the Netflix videos in the world isn't going to slow them down anytime soon. The average lifespan of a new PC is probably 2 to 3 times what it was less than a decade ago.

    Finally, you have to consider that Windows 8 sales in enterprise environments is going to be almost non-existent for the first few years. Uninformed people will claim this is because Windows 8 can't be used by businesses, but that is not the case. I work in enterprise IT for a moderate sized company. We are nearly finished with a multi-year project to transition all PCs from XP to 7. That project started before Windows 8 even existed. It takes an enormous amount of effort to complete the testing of all our applications, security policies, and centralized management systems and just as much effort to roll out updated PCs to all of the thousands of workstations we have to support. Enterprise IT departments need a consistent user environment in order to make support feasible so a mix of Windows 7 and 8 is a no go. We have lots of other projects to focus on and it will be years before we can allocate resources for another company wide workstation upgrade to another version of Windows. I'm using Windows 8.1 at work (and love it) along with some of my IT co-workers, but we are early adopters that support our own systems.

    What about the bifurcated UX? Why do you give me two experiences inside a single OS, its just BS. Give me one, either the desktop or if it is the modern UI you want to push for the future, give me that and ship the product ONLY after you are done with the transition(looking at you windows 8) and optimise it according to the hardware on which it is installed if it is touch enabled, modern/metro else desktop. One size doesn`t fit all, it simply doesn`t.Steve Jobs got that right long back, these guys are still trying and failing over and over again.
    You make the ability to *optionally* support two experiences (and switch between them) in a single OS and device sound like a disadvantage when it is actually quite innovative and helpful. You also seem to think that Modern UI is supposed to replace the desktop, but they actually serve different usage patterns and different requirements (in the same way that iOS is not intended to replace OSX). The advantages of the Windows 8.x "bifurcated UX" design are...

    • Single OS to learn.
    • Single OS to configure.
    • Single OS to maintain.
    • Ability to use the same software programs on all devices. (i.e.: Same learn, config, and maintain advantages at the program/app level.)
    • Less need (or no need) for file syncing since devices can be consolidated.
    • Ability to switch between desktop (productivity/work) and touch (consumption/play) optimized software without changing OS/device. Do a quick edit to an Office doc or run Adobe Lightroom on a tablet. Play angry birds on the desktop if you want. With competitors products you would need to switch devices every time your workflow changes even temporarily.
    • One device can serve multiple roles and blend between roles. I use my Surface Pro 2 as a tablet ~40%, a laptop ~20%, and a triple monitor desktop (via docking station) ~40%. No other OS allows this.


    The disadvantage is basically nothing other than the initial learning curve. However, that is really no worse than the combined learning curve of a mobile OS and a separate desktop OS which is what you get with the competition. Apple's iOS and OSX products are "bifurcated" in user experience, software, and hardware.

    Its ok for the time being, because windows 7 is still around but once that period is over , if there is no product which will solve all these issues, Microsoft will be in deep trouble.Touch enabled laptops, really??Not a fan at all.
    There is a product to solve these [non] issues. It's called Windows 8 and it does everything Windows 7 does. If you don't like touchscreen laptops, don't buy one or don't touch the screen. I don't understand how the availability of diverse products to other people is a disadvantage for you.

    Even about modern UI, I get confused with all those tiles, especially when there is a whole lot of them on my start screen, I use my laptop presently with Apps view switched on by default. Good thing they introduced it with 8.1.Why can`t they get the simple fact that people need stuff which works not those which need to be tweaked in order to. Oh well, they realised quick settings, notification center had to be introduced 2 years later with WP 8.1, surprise,surprise..
    So all you have left to complain about is that you get confused by the Start Screen that you couldn't be bothered to organize? This is even more strange when you go on to say that you have the apps view displayed by default as if having EVERY app icon displayed at once is somehow less confusing. All you have to do is unpin tiles and drag things around. How hard is that? A one time task that takes a few minutes.

    The old Start Menu was a mess of nested folders once you installed a dozen or more programs. Many of the users at work have their desktop covered in icons, but somehow the Start Screen is too cluttered an confusing for these same users? Personally, I always found myself deleting and rearranging stuff from the old Start Menu and desktop to keep it tidy. The new Start Screen is much better in this regard. If you enable Start Screen synching between devices you only have to customize your start screen on one device and the rest fall right in line.

    Anyway, it's clear that you don't like it and that is fine, but it's a bit of a stretch to claim that it's an epic fail in every way or that it will be the end of MS. MS is actually doing very well right now financially and much of that is due to Windows 8, products made possible by Windows 8 (i.e. Surface series, OEM hybrids, Windows Store revenue), and products that are a spin off of Windows 8/Modern UI concepts like the Xbox One.
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    01-24-2014 12:08 AM
  24. anony_mouse's Avatar
    Are you trying to help me prove my point about people that haven't used Windows 8 talking smack about it?
    I have used Windows 8!

    Outlook and lots of other desktop email clients have that "notification icon" functionality. They continue to work on Windows 8 the same as previous versions of windows.

    The "Mail" app (and many other Modern UI apps) also has the option to show notifications...
    Indeed. So it's got similar functionality to Windows XP. Actually I think Windows NT4 could do much the same. Good that Microsoft not moving backwards! But let's be clear - notifications are not a new feature!

    And of course you also get the live tile update on your start screen...
    I avoid the live tiles - not useful on a PC and catastrophically ugly.

    I don't usually dock the mail app to my desktop unless I am actively emailing back and forth with someone while trying to do other things. I only did it in this case as an example of how Modern UI apps can be docked since that was specifically asked about. It could just have easily been Skype, Facebook, Twitter, Stocks, or any other Modern UI app and of course you always have the option to not use Modern UI apps if you only need the desktop.
    I don't use modern UI apps. I can achieve a similar effect by resizing the window of my email client or whatever (although I have never actually bothered to do so).

    Also, the docked Mail app doesn't just show "an ugly list of emails." It continues to function as it does when it's running full screen. If you click a message it will display the contents of the message and you can reply/forward/delete/whatever even from that narrow window. Of course you can drag the docked app larger or full screen if that makes more sense and you can make it go away by dragging its "panel" off the edge of the screen.
    From your screen shot, I have to say it looks like an ugly list of e-mails. Of course I understand it's a full e-mail app.

    As far as Facebook messages, if you are using the Facebook app you can also get live tile updates, popup notifications (even when the app is closed), and you can dock the app along side the desktop or another app very much like the Mail app. I actually do this all the time when people are messaging me, but I didn't feel like sharing a screenshot of my Facebook messages with the whole world so I didn't use it in my example.
    I used to have a Chrome extension that did the same thing, but I disabled it as my smart phone and tablet also buzz when a Facebook message arrives and I don't need every device to tell me about it. I expect you can get some program that shows a notification icon in the task bar for older versions of Windows.

    It's good that you like Windows 8, and that Microsoft have tried to innovate. I think the problem is that Microsoft didn't consider the needs of their customers, but concentrated on their own strategic interests - i.e. to have a UI that is the same across smart phones, tablets and PCs, to try to leverage their dominance of PCs to gain some market share in those other devices. Perhaps it was a good plan in theory, but in practice I find the Windows 8 UI jarring and inefficient, and prefer older versions of Windows.
    01-24-2014 12:50 AM
  25. peachy001's Avatar
    Thanks for the comments people. I actually am pretty up for Windows 8 now, despite the views to the contrary. Now, just got to find the spare cash.
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    01-24-2014 01:57 AM
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