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  1. Laura Knotek's Avatar
    Incorrect, a DVD in the US is not the same as a DVD in Europe. I have a French version of Batman Begins on DVD I won at McDonalds in Paris. Guess what, I can't play it in my DVD/BluRay player here in the states...

    Case in point...
    DVD region code - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

    Again, there are cross border complications in media rights, offering sales, etc. Europe has specifically acknowledged the difficulties and is working to improve that in their region.
    EU proposes reforms to simplify cross-border music licensing | The Verge


    India banned people (peer to peer) from using PayPal because PayPal was operating like a bank (holding/exchanging money for customers) but was not operating as a part of the governments strict banking regulations.

    Like I said, there are complications the average consumer doesn't understand or isn't completely unaware of when operating internationally. I'm not saying it's the entire reason they're missing services in other countries. But it's certainly a significant factor.
    Remember when Spotify started? It was UK, not US. Spotify needed to sort the licensing issues before it launched in the US.
    12-12-2013 10:49 PM
  2. Vikram Dinesh's Avatar
    My two cents on this topic. There was a local scout feature on the old Maps app. Why was this feature disabled for India/Asia? If I set my phone's region to India that feature would disappear and would appear when the region was set to the US. The thing was that this feature worked great even in India. Why was such a simple service from MS disabled? There are no licensing issues with this. This was data that they already had on Bing maps.

    The same thing happened with the podcasts feature in the Store. Why could we not have access to the free podcasts at least? I can understand licensing issues with paid podcasts and Xbox music. But free podcasts?

    Somebody mentioned something about the Xbox not being popular in Asia. The only reason for this was that none of the Xbox services were available to us besides games that we bought from physical stores. Heck MS hardly ever made any effort to market the Xbox properly at least in India.

    Now let me talk about MS hardware. They had some amazing hardware available in the form of keyboards and mice but sadly none of the good ones were available in India. Where as Logitech releases the latest products in India no matter what the cost.

    MS has always ignored India/Asia and it still continues to do so. Oh and don't get me wrong. I am a MS fan who disabled all my other accounts the day I got my Lumia 920.

    Oh and even today we don't even have a tentative launch date as to when the Xbox One will make it to India. Heck even the first gen Surface and Surface RT are still not officially available over here and this is when they have already started selling the Surface 2 & Surface Pro 2 in Europe and America.
    12-12-2013 11:55 PM
  3. Laura Knotek's Avatar
    My two cents on this topic. There was a local scout feature on the old Maps app. Why was this feature disabled for India/Asia? If I set my phone's region to India that feature would disappear and would appear when the region was set to the US. The thing was that this feature worked great even in India. Why was such a simple service from MS disabled? There are no licensing issues with this. This was data that they already had on Bing maps.

    The same thing happened with the podcasts feature in the Store. Why could we not have access to the free podcasts at least? I can understand licensing issues with paid podcasts and Xbox music. But free podcasts?

    Somebody mentioned something about the Xbox not being popular in Asia. The only reason for this was that none of the Xbox services were available to us besides games that we bought from physical stores. Heck MS hardly ever made any effort to market the Xbox properly at least in India.

    Now let me talk about MS hardware. They had some amazing hardware available in the form of keyboards and mice but sadly none of the good ones were available in India. Where as Logitech releases the latest products in India no matter what the cost.

    MS has always ignored India/Asia and it still continues to do so. Oh and don't get me wrong. I am a MS fan who disabled all my other accounts the day I got my Lumia 920.

    Oh and even today we don't even have a tentative launch date as to when the Xbox One will make it to India.
    I've never purchased any Microsoft hardware other than an Xbox controller for my PC.

    I like Logitech and have bought 2 of their mice.

    My latest mouse is a gaming mouse from Roccat, a German company.
    12-13-2013 12:01 AM
  4. Vikram Dinesh's Avatar
    I've never purchased any Microsoft hardware other than an Xbox controller for my PC.

    I like Logitech and have bought 2 of their mice.

    My latest mouse is a gaming mouse from Roccat, a German company.
    How much I wanted the MS Sidewinder series keyboard and mouse. They were a great pieces of hardware. Sadly they were never sold here in India.
    12-13-2013 12:04 AM
  5. milanpatel2004's Avatar
    How much I wanted the MS Sidewinder series keyboard and mouse. They were a great pieces of hardware. Sadly they were never sold here in India.
    I think the Surface 2 and Surface Pro 2 would sell in India. I dont know what is stoping MS to sell it. Still waiting for news about Xbox one in India.
    12-13-2013 12:18 AM
  6. rakesh1995's Avatar
    How much I wanted the MS Sidewinder series keyboard and mouse. They were a great pieces of hardware. Sadly they were never sold here in India.
    bro Microsoft used to sell keyboard and Mouse in India. They stoped it in 2009

    also look at black Friday and other UA EXCLUSIVE DEAL, MS looses money from this deals. SO WHERE dose Ms get money? (whole world)
    so in short MS gets profit from whole world and sells of less price in USA even sometime at a loss.

    why we people of developing countries who don't even have much money will give our money to make rich people more richer.

    that's why i began to support google. They are currently selling NEXUS 5 directly from play store India l. So that we can get it for less money.

    MS can also sell XBox and WP from Windows Store to bypass middle man and give us letter deals.

    Xbox 360 here cost about Xbox one. And they expect a good sales lol. MS Can sell them at lower price through direct online store.

    google was able to do it. Ms being more influential to India will have easier time to do such deal.


    so will they do it? No

    take money from poor to make the rich more richer
    12-13-2013 12:34 AM
  7. Reflexx's Avatar
    bro Microsoft used to sell keyboard and Mouse in India. They stoped it in 2009

    also look at black Friday and other UA EXCLUSIVE DEAL, MS looses money from this deals. SO WHERE dose Ms get money? (whole world)
    so in short MS gets profit from whole world and sells of less price in USA even sometime at a loss.

    why we people of developing countries who don't even have much money will give our money to make rich people more richer.

    that's why i began to support google. They are currently selling NEXUS 5 directly from play store India l. So that we can get it for less money.

    MS can also sell XBox and WP from Windows Store to bypass middle man and give us letter deals.

    Xbox 360 here cost about Xbox one. And they expect a good sales lol. MS Can sell them at lower price through direct online store.

    google was able to do it. Ms being more influential to India will have easier time to do such deal.


    so will they do it? No

    take money from poor to make the rich more richer
    Wow. What universe are you living in?
    12-13-2013 01:06 AM
  8. rakesh1995's Avatar
    Wow. What universe are you living in?



    earth 616





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    12-13-2013 01:34 AM
  9. wilsey's Avatar

    MS has always ignored India/Asia and it still continues to do so. Oh and don't get me wrong. I am a MS fan who disabled all my other accounts the day I got my Lumia 920.

    Oh and even today we don't even have a tentative launch date as to when the Xbox One will make it to India. Heck even the first gen Surface and Surface RT are still not officially available over here and this is when they have already started selling the Surface 2 & Surface Pro 2 in Europe and America.
    Exactly. I should say the situation is more or less similar in Indonesia. Even after Surface 2 is launched, the 1st generation Surface is nowhere to be found. And if you asked around, nobody knows what is Surface. All they know about Tablet is those made by Apple, Samsung and other less popular brand compared to Microsoft/Nokia. The annoying part is I don't see any effort from Microsoft to do something about it.
    Even asking for a Technical Support through phone/email (since they don't even have Microsoft Store, just the office) for Windows XP, I have to pay money for them in advance with no guarantee it will solve my problem.
    I love Microsoft product but the way they treated their customers is as if it's not important to them.
    12-13-2013 06:54 AM
  10. techiez's Avatar
    THIS

    People really don't understand companies may not be in a region due to large complications providing that service there. Especially licensed items like music. Record companies hold a lot of control over their music, who gets to use it, and how.

    Also, some countries have laws that make offering deals or other items more complex or impossible.

    Hell, look at what India is doing to Nokia. They're exploiting them for money by claiming bull**** owed tax amounts that they magically changed just this week from 340 million to 3.4 billion. It's just ridiculous.

    I work at a global business that has to deal with cross border transactions all day long. It's just not easy providing any service across the border. And it doesn't help that Microsoft has been a target for a long time. I'm surprised the EU hasn't destroyed their Nokia deal.

    The global market is important for Windows Phone and Microsoft in general. I don't think they intentionally neglect specific countries or regions.
    The tax evasion as authorities claim is over a 7 year period, they need time to go though books and they will claim what they feel reasonable. the case is in court of law and Nokia has a battery of lawyers to fight out n in the end if they pay means they were meant to pay up right.

    and tell me about bing rewards, why hasnt MS brought it outside US what laws would prevent that. Surface has'nt even been launched in India. MS deals and offers are restricted to mostly US, point is if they are think to expand its services after the marketshare grows further it will not work, they have to shift their focus for sure.
    12-13-2013 07:33 AM
  11. spaulagain's Avatar
    The tax evasion as authorities claim is over a 7 year period, they need time to go though books and they will claim what they feel reasonable. the case is in court of law and Nokia has a battery of lawyers to fight out n in the end if they pay means they were meant to pay up right.

    and tell me about bing rewards, why hasnt MS brought it outside US what laws would prevent that. Surface has'nt even been launched in India. MS deals and offers are restricted to mostly US, point is if they are think to expand its services after the marketshare grows further it will not work, they have to shift their focus for sure.
    Again, I or you don't know the details. But I do know from working in a global company and simple facts of the media rights across borders that what looks simple to the consumer is not necessarily that simple. Even offering deals or sales may have its complications depending on difference in costs to provide that product or service or particular laws of any given countries that can also impact it.

    I'm just saying, it's not as black and white as you guys think it is. Especially when a company like Microsoft has been so heavily prosecuted internationally.
    12-13-2013 10:11 AM
  12. spaulagain's Avatar
    Also, like it or not, the US is still where the most consumption opportunities are.

    My company has been heavily focused on international businesses for over 10 years. The majority of our clients are international. But this year we are shifting focus more on the US side because that's where the big money is.
    12-13-2013 10:17 AM
  13. anony_mouse's Avatar
    Wow. What universe are you living in?
    What's your experience of the Indian technology market?
    12-13-2013 10:54 AM
  14. anony_mouse's Avatar
    Again, I or you don't know the details. But I do know from working in a global company and simple facts of the media rights across borders that what looks simple to the consumer is not necessarily that simple. Even offering deals or sales may have its complications depending on difference in costs to provide that product or service or particular laws of any given countries that can also impact it.

    I'm just saying, it's not as black and white as you guys think it is. Especially when a company like Microsoft has been so heavily prosecuted internationally.
    It is certainly not simple. But Indians and others will quite rightly vote with their wallets for those who do provide the right products and services. Don't assume you understand Asia if you live in America or Europe. The world is far more complex and interesting than you think.
    12-13-2013 10:58 AM
  15. anony_mouse's Avatar
    Also, like it or not, the US is still where the most consumption opportunities are.

    My company has been heavily focused on international businesses for over 10 years. The majority of our clients are international. But this year we are shifting focus more on the US side because that's where the big money is.
    Of course, it's up to Microsoft where they focus their efforts and their resources. As I say, people will vote with their wallets wherever they are.
    12-13-2013 10:59 AM
  16. maj71303's Avatar
    well from what I know the simple reason they don't offer much outside the U.S. is that the laws of most foreign countries are not to favorable. It takes some time to get things setup and to work out all the many hoops they have to jump through in some of these countries. And for india I have to ask for the large investment in some of these services like music and videos how many people do you think will actually subscribe. So to say I have traveled a lot and many of the third world emerging economies would not be of a good degree ROI wise good. Until the U.S. consumer stops buying, the big money will remain with selling things to the U.S. consumer. For all others you just have to hope that it will trickle down eventually.
    12-13-2013 10:59 AM
  17. rakesh1995's Avatar
    well from what I know the simple reason they don't offer much outside the U.S. is that the laws of most foreign countries are not to favorable.
    . And for india I have to ask for the large investment in some of these services like music and videos how many people do you think will actually subscribe.
    . Until the U.S. consumer stops buying, the big money will remain with selling things to the U.S. consumer.
    .



    kidding?
    You just visited a 3rd world country. I live on a 3rd word country. I see more Lumia than even Elop in a day.
    And to say indian will not subscriber to music and other is LIE. I have nokia music subscription and so does my 20 friend.
    And how do you get to know that people of developing country will not buy music and video? When WE DONT EVEN get a chance to

    buy them?
    Microsoft say developing countries don't buys app and games.... HOW CAN WE BUY ? Ms doesn't except our Creditcard and debit card.

    And about US is money make.... Ms doesn't even has 3% of us market of mobile. You Expect them to make money out of it?

    Nokia was out of usa for about 15 year still dominated.
    Apple only focus on USA have you seen their position now? 20% to 13% decline in share in a year.
    Look at Samsung they focused on other countries more than usa. After than USA them self accepted them.

    About country law? R you joking?

    MS gave 20$ credit to ALL Lumia in USA


    But restricted the same offer to 1020 in India
    Now don't say our goverment said to to 520 and 920 guys


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    12-13-2013 11:34 AM
  18. rakesh1995's Avatar
    I think the Surface 2 and Surface Pro 2 would sell in India. I dont know what is stoping MS to sell it. Still waiting for news about Xbox one in India.



    They will not as we don't have money like usa even thought India buys more smartphone and tablet than USA /not a s





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    12-13-2013 11:41 AM
  19. DBZo07's Avatar
    Reason for strict taxation laws in India?



    India is a developing country. Tax department tries to squeeze all big fish to complete their budgeted target, which all developing countries do. Law has to be strong enough to protect the country's interest, or else people take advantage of loopholes, famous case Vodafone, which Indian Government lost just because of loopholes..

    Tax evasion is not tolerable for any country irrespective of developed or developing status.



    Other way round, people don't care of xbox games/music/videos.. There are ample of sources for this.. People are not depended on MS premium services. Simply speaking Nokia is the gate to entry in Indian Market.. Slowly but surely, things will change... India taxation law regarding international taxation have changed drastically, double taxation avoidance treaty are signed between countries...

    So our future generations will taste international products with usa/uk.


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    12-13-2013 11:43 AM
  20. rakesh1995's Avatar
    Other way round, people don't care of xbox games/music/videos.. There are ample of sources for this.. People are not depended on MS premium services. Simply speaking Nokia is the gate to entry in Indian Market.. Slowly but surely, things will change... India taxation law regarding international taxation have changed drastically, double taxation avoidance treaty are signed between countries...

    So our future generations will taste international products will usa/uk.


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    Hers the problem. Xbox one if comes to India will not have any extra feature as compare to 360, no support for english(India), bing suck in India. Not even a single feature. Have you look at ps4? 90% of it feature except Netflix an hulu will come to India .

    My only problem is ok Ms doesn't provide services to India/asia and Europe, So we get less feature
    SO WHY SHOULD WE PAY SAME OR MORE MONEY as compare to USa who gets all features.
    Less ffeatures less money should be taken.

    You Know the HHappiest moment of my Life was is month when i heard that USA WILL GET A nerfed version of Lumia 1520 half storage and no inbuit wireless charging.Rest of world will get a better product .
    All of American felt the same with ATT anouncemt what we fell after ever release








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    12-13-2013 11:53 AM
  21. spaulagain's Avatar
    Hers the problem. Xbox one if comes to India will not have any extra feature as compare to 360, no support for english(India), bing suck in India. Not even a single feature. Have you look at ps4? 90% of it feature except Netflix an hulu will come to India .

    My only problem is ok Ms doesn't provide services to India/asia and Europe, So we get less feature
    SO WHY SHOULD WE PAY SAME OR MORE MONEY as compare to USa who gets all features.
    Less ffeatures less money should be taken.

    You Know the HHappiest moment of my Life was is month when i heard that USA WILL GET A nerfed version of Lumia 1520 half storage and no inbuit wireless charging.Rest of world will get a better product .
    All of American felt the same with ATT anouncemt what we fell after ever release








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    What features are you talking about? The only features I know of on the X1 that will not necessarily translate across borders are the features dependent on 3rd party participation. Things like TV integration, Xbox Music, and Xbox Video rely on third parties such as cable providers and record/music labels.

    You can't knock Microsoft for not bringing features overseas that the PS4 doesn't even have in the first place. Then celebrate Sony for keeping all their features which are equivalent to the features X1 will have overseas as well.

    You pay the same price because that's what the hardware costs. Complain about the XBL subscription all day, but the hardware is still the same and costs the same to produce. From the sounds of it, Microsoft is essentially selling the X1 at cost. So they have no wiggle room to reduce price without losing money.

    Also, the 1520 comparison is not the same thing. ATT is specifically dumbing down the 1520 because of their bias towards the other wireless charging technology.
    12-13-2013 12:57 PM
  22. rakesh1995's Avatar
    What features are you talking about? The only features I know of on the X1 that will not necessarily translate across borders are the features dependent on 3rd party participation. Things like TV integration, Xbox Music, and Xbox Video rely on third parties such as cable providers and record/music labels.


    You pay the same price because that's what the hardware costs. Complain about the XBL subscription all day, but the hardware is still the same and costs the same to produce. From the sounds of it, Microsoft is essentially selling the X1 at cost. So they have no wiggle room to reduce price without losing money.

    .

    so Xbox one will have no Other use than gaming in Asia. People will give there money to Sony ps4.
    This is it. If Ms will not provide services we will not give them money.
    Revenue loss for them.

    Yes they have room for drecrease of price.

    they don't have to install non necessary software and don't need to provide us services like language and voice. Exclusion of such paid software services which we Asian don't have a f about will down the cost.
    Also Ms can sell directly though online store. X box her cost 2 time usa just like google do.
    If Ms cant provide then the one who provides gets money.
    Just look at google initiatives nexus 5 and 7 sold directly through playstore





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  23. spaulagain's Avatar
    so Xbox one will have no Other use than gaming in Asia. People will give there money to Sony ps4.
    This is it. If Ms will not provide services we will not give them money.
    Revenue loss for them.

    Yes they have room for drecrease of price.

    they don't have to install non necessary software and don't need to provide us services like language and voice. Exclusion of such paid software services which we Asian don't have a f about will down the cost.
    Also Ms can sell directly though online store. X box her cost 2 time usa just like google do.
    If Ms cant provide then the one who provides gets money.
    Just look at google initiatives nexus 5 and 7 sold directly through playstore





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    Wait, you were just complaining that they are removing features for Asia but then proposing that they remove language and voice (a key feature) to reduce the price? And you think those items are what makes up the price of the Xbox? They don't. The HARDWARE is what costs $500. All that power costs money. MS sells directly from their online store in the US and its no cheaper here. Why would it suddenly make a difference in Asia?

    I don't know what you mean by the rest of that gibberish. No offense, but I thinks its pretty clear they need to provide language support.

    I don't think you know what you want.
    12-13-2013 09:28 PM
  24. DBZo07's Avatar
    Simply speaking again,
    Microsoft makes very negligible profit from each console sold. Its obvious that MS knows people in usa will buy all other services where the real source profit is. Whereas in Asia, people don't care about MS services as its not available here. That's real profit loss. Earning from console itself is not their main business moto. May be that's why Asian is ignored.
    Asia has huge potential of consumers. Nokia is one who has market in Asia... That is what MS-Nokia deal is all about.. Chennai plant has already been given a green signal from Indian government. Soon things will change..
    So keep calm and wait..

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    12-14-2013 02:13 AM
  25. rakesh1995's Avatar
    so Xbox one will have no Other use than gaming in Asia. People will give there money to Sony ps4.

    This is it. If Ms will not provide services we will not give them money.

    Revenue loss for them.



    Yes they have room for drecrease of price.


    they don't have to install non necessary software and don't need to provide us services like language and voice. Exclusion of such paid software services which we Asian don't have a f about will down the cost.

    Also Ms can sell directly though online store. X box her cost 2 time usa just like google do.

    If Ms cant provide then the one who provides gets money.

    Just look at google initiatives nexus 5 and 7 sold directly through playstore








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    MS sell Xbox at higher price in India than usa because here there R may 3rd party dealer in between who takes profit and thus consol becomes more costly. Its sucks. If they introduced a online store they can bypass all 3rd party dealer and sell.
    Also usa has price match so Ms cant sell them cheap in india if they do store retailer will go mad



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    12-14-2013 06:11 AM
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