1. Jas00555's Avatar
    01-23-2014 07:59 AM
  2. Jas00555's Avatar
    I agree. I mean, who waits over a year to announce the 920 successor? Nokia has horrible timing. They released a slightly bumped 920, which was the 925 (imo, the loss of half the storage made it a step backwards) like 6 months later, then a niche camera phone, then a phablet, all while waiting for the 920 successor. I think the 920 was one of the best selling phones of all time, so idk why they'd wait on that one, but they did.
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    01-23-2014 08:40 AM
  3. tissotti's Avatar
    Does Nokia really even care at this point?
    Judging by these numbers, Nokia did the best possible deal by leaving the bleeding business to MS and continuing with its profitable NSN, HERE and Advanced Technologies business.

    I was expecting neutral sales, but not actually declining sales in Holiday season compared to Q3. That is something.

    I agree. I mean, who waits over a year to announce the 920 successor? Nokia has horrible timing. They released a slightly bumped 920, which was the 925 (imo, the loss of half the storage made it a step backwards) like 6 months later, then a niche camera phone, then a phablet, all while waiting for the 920 successor. I think the 920 was one of the best selling phones of all time, so idk why they'd wait on that one, but they did.
    Lumia 920 one of the best selling phones of all time? C'mon. Something like N95 from 7 years ago sold 16 million phones while costing more, Note 2 sold 10 million in 2 months, not to even talk about GS and iPhone. Lumia 520 accounted by far most of the Windows Phone sales, Lumia 920 at most has sold around 3 million phones globally. LG G2 I believe sold somewhere around 3 and 4 million phones.

    As for why Nokia did what it did. There was no SoC upgrade till GDR3. Lumia 1520 is still the only high end WP8 handset that doesn't use S4. Nokia was simply doing as many variations it could with S4. Others didn't bother because they were not tied to WP enough, and still haven't bothered.
    Last edited by tissotti; 01-23-2014 at 09:52 AM.
    01-23-2014 09:40 AM
  4. Jas00555's Avatar
    I meant best selling Windows Phone
    01-23-2014 10:14 AM
  5. HeyCori's Avatar
    Darn. Wasn't expecting .6 drop. Nokia still has/had a lot to workout that hopefully Microsoft will fix. For starters, carrier availability is a mess in the U.S. Unless you're on AT&T then there's no guarantee that you'll get the next "flagship" Lumia (assuming you get a flagship Lumia at all). And second, Nokia/Microsoft needs to release a flagship phone that doesn't have "gimmick" attached to it.

    The 1020 is awesome but much like the 808, only a handful of people want a 41 megapixel camera. The 1520 has great specs but 6 inches is a bit big. And I'm still undecided whether the extra row of tiles works on the 1520.

    Nokia/Microsoft needs a plain Jane flagship. A phone with the latest specs, slim, 1080p screen, OIS/PureView and is still smaller than 5 inches. Nokia held onto that Snapdragon S4 probably longer than they should have. I have a 920 and it runs fine but I'm surprised we didn't get an upgraded 920 with the S800 and 1080p screen. Anyone looking for a WP this holiday could either choose from the aging 920, the aging 925 or the aging 928 if they wanted a "standard" flagship phone. Or, they had to choose the gigantic 1520 if the wanted a WP with the latest specs. And that's assuming they were on AT&T and could buy the 1520. There's no middle ground in Nokia's offerings.

    Though there's also the possibility that Nokia didn't care. After all, why invest into new flagships when you're selling off that division? It's likely that Nokia just wanted to finish what was left in the production pipe (i.e. the 1520, 1320 and 2520) and couldn't care less about building a new flagship.

    And finally, Microsoft needs to finish the 8.1 update ASAP. Not having any truly new features to show off this past holiday season killed some of the Windows Phone buzz because there wasn't anything "new" to talk about. Consumers love "new." New iOS7! New KitKat! Microsoft needed something that screamed new.

    Hopefully once MS takes over they will have greater control over their software updates and carrier availability. Plus it will be good if Microsoft creates a more recognizable brand for their phones instead of a "seemingly random number that only makes sense if you constantly stay updated on the latest cell phone news."
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    01-23-2014 10:20 AM
  6. stmav's Avatar
    Covered here at WPC. http://forums.windowscentral.com/wpc...mia-sales.html
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    01-23-2014 10:24 AM
  7. Jas00555's Avatar
    sometimes we like to have a forum post AND an article (;
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    01-23-2014 10:38 AM
  8. stmav's Avatar
    sometimes we like to have a forum post AND an article (;
    Who is this we you speak of? ;)
    01-23-2014 10:54 AM
  9. Jas00555's Avatar
    I also think it has to do with the fact that some people are skeptical of buying a new Nokia because they hear that the phone business is being sold. That and the only two noteworthy devices were niche is probably what the problem is. I think Microsoft can turn this all around, but we'll see April 2.

    Also, wouldn't it be awesome if they announced that the acquisition was over during their earning report today? Nokia kind of hinted at it when they called their phone business "discontinued operation"
    01-23-2014 11:08 AM
  10. rodan01's Avatar
    Nokia wasn't a good partner in the last 6 months. Microsoft needs to complete the deal asap or things can get worst.



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    01-23-2014 11:10 AM
  11. inteller's Avatar
    I also think it has to do with the fact that some people are skeptical of buying a new Nokia because they hear that the phone business is being sold. That and the only two noteworthy devices were niche is probably what the problem is. I think Microsoft can turn this all around, but we'll see April 2.

    Also, wouldn't it be awesome if they announced that the acquisition was over during their earning report today? Nokia kind of hinted at it when they called their phone business "discontinued operation"
    it takes more than 1 qtr to turn a decline around. things will get worse before they get better again.
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    01-23-2014 11:27 AM
  12. stmav's Avatar
    Since when do you need to be logged in to read the article?
    01-23-2014 11:35 AM
  13. stmav's Avatar
    So you can't comment on the front page articles?
    01-23-2014 12:29 PM
  14. stmav's Avatar
    Wonder if the writing staff had anything to do with it. That is separate from the forums and under their control. You could contact Daniel Rubino if you like.
    01-23-2014 01:13 PM
  15. Jas00555's Avatar
    What? You don't like Daniel? He's so nice and his heart is so big. He would never be sarcastic with you in the slightest, like me. You'll never see me have that kind of sarcasm.
    01-23-2014 01:49 PM
  16. anony_mouse's Avatar
    Hmm, not a happy quarter for Nokia's smart phone business, and by extension for Windows Phone. Their lineup is not exactly old, and is starting to see discounting (which should have been good for Christmas sales). WP showed some good growth in 2013, although from a very low base, but that seems to have stopped for now. We shouldn't read too much in to one quarter's figures, of course, but certainly these are disappointing numbers for Nokia and Microsoft, and suggest WP is still struggling.

    BTW, I still think Nokia should stop making such stupid looking phones. I just saw a guy with a bright red Lumia - I'm sorry but it's just embarrassing, like a middle aged manager who gets an earring to try to look young again. Yes, I know other colours are supposed to be available, but they are not in my town.
    01-24-2014 01:25 AM
  17. George Jenkinson's Avatar
    it takes more than 1 qtr to turn a decline around. things will get worse before they get better again.
    Yup, I agree and BBRY is a good example.
    01-24-2014 05:27 AM
  18. anony_mouse's Avatar
    The problem is not so much that the phone business declined as a whole - that was expected. The problem I see is that the *smart phone* business declined. That's bad news for Nokia and for Microsoft.
    01-24-2014 05:47 AM
  19. tgp's Avatar
    I just saw a guy with a bright red Lumia - I'm sorry but it's just embarrassing, like a middle aged manager who gets an earring to try to look young again.
    Hey, I have a bright red Lumia 920! But for the record, I do not fit your stereotype!
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    01-24-2014 07:11 AM
  20. worldspy99's Avatar
    Nokia needs to offer the 720 with 1GB of RAM at half its current price if it wants to compete in the USA, unlocked and carrier free. This should blow away the Moto G.

    Nokia Lumia 720 vs Motorola Moto G - Phone specs comparison
    01-24-2014 11:12 AM
  21. anony_mouse's Avatar
    I just saw a guy with a bright red Lumia - I'm sorry but it's just embarrassing, like a middle aged manager who gets an earring to try to look young again. Yes, I know other colours are supposed to be available, but they are not in my town.
    This was a bit mean. I apologise. Must have been in a bad mood when I posted.
    01-24-2014 03:13 PM
  22. tgp's Avatar
    This was a bit mean. I apologise. Must have been in a bad mood when I posted.
    Didn't bother me. I thought it was kinda funny actually.
    01-24-2014 04:25 PM
  23. fdalbor's Avatar
    Samsung just posted their Quarter 4/2013 results and their profit is down 18% from what it was last year. It seems quite a few smartphone makers did not have a good Quarter 4. Makes the Windows Phone thing seem not so bad after all. They also posted that they expect the first half of 2014 to be off from last year. Makes ya wonder.
    01-24-2014 04:41 PM
  24. psudotechzealot's Avatar
    A 2k screen, 4GB of ram, and Qi wireless charging will fix this! .............................................................









    I'm Joking people, relax.
    01-25-2014 04:58 AM
  25. harmon rabb's Avatar
    Samsung just posted their Quarter 4/2013 results and their profit is down 18% from what it was last year. It seems quite a few smartphone makers did not have a good Quarter 4. Makes the Windows Phone thing seem not so bad after all. They also posted that they expect the first half of 2014 to be off from last year. Makes ya wonder.
    Apple had record sales. Basically, Apple started eating Samsung's lunch this holiday season somehow.
    01-29-2014 01:29 PM

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