02-24-2014 06:57 AM
56 123
tools
  1. Michael Alan Goff's Avatar
    Very strange, I don't recall ever stating that he was the FIRST. There's a reason why the first GUI, first computer, and the first of everything else didn't explode in popularity and success... cause they sucked or were useless in their former state!
    Gates was an amazing salesman.

    Potato potaato
    There is a huge difference.
    02-11-2014 01:13 PM
  2. berty6294's Avatar
    Gates was an amazing salesman.



    There is a huge difference.
    It takes more than a salesman to do what Gates has done. Not even going to credit that response with an in depth post.
    02-11-2014 01:20 PM
  3. interiorlulu's Avatar
    To me Jobs was an expert at marketing other companies ideas and inventions in a way that made the masses take note. The whole worship false idols scenario was quite scary. Gates is a modern day philanthropist.
    02-11-2014 01:25 PM
  4. thatotherdude24's Avatar
    Each has their own niche, I do not view Steve Jobs as a tech head. Bill Gates is a tech head.

    There is no better salesmen than Steve Jobs, Woz was the one who had something when Apple was founded and Jobs was the marketer and business man who took Apple big time in the beginning. Jobs had many good ideas but as far as implementing the good ideas and making them come to life I think that was the staff Jobs had around him at Apple, but Jobs was the CEO and co-founder so naturally he would get the credit. When the original iPhone came out, nobody knew they needed one but Jobs convinced you that you couldn't live without one. Same with the iPad, I remember so many bad jokes about the name 'iPad' and so many people said this thing will never amount to anything. Yet again the genius marketer Jobs went to work and now iPads are big time.

    Bill Gates is a tech head. He isn't as strong as a marketer as Jobs was but Gates knows technology so much better. Microsoft was the first one to introduce a tablet PC back in 2002 but Gates is not a salesman so it flopped. To this day people still give credit to Apple for the first tablet but it was Microsoft who made the first one, they are just that bad at marketing and convincing people you need this in your life. I am very excited that Satya is head at Microsoft now along with Bill in a technology roll, you now have a true technology person in charge of a technology company, the way it should be.

    So which one? No matter how good a technology idea is it's going to flop if the right person is not marketing it. The Surface Pro 2 is an amazing product but Microsoft is not good at convincing people you need this in your life. If Microsoft was better at marketing home products the tech industry would have such a different look.
    02-11-2014 02:05 PM
  5. blehblehbleh's Avatar
    My vote is for Gates for his technical prowess and vision for a pc in every home.

    Steve was good at fine tuning the work of those before him and a good marketer.
    02-11-2014 02:12 PM
  6. interiorlulu's Avatar
    Each has their own niche, I do not view Steve Jobs as a tech head. Bill Gates is a tech head.

    There is no better salesmen than Steve Jobs, Woz was the one who had something when Apple was founded and Jobs was the marketer and business man who took Apple big time in the beginning. Jobs had many good ideas but as far as implementing the good ideas and making them come to life I think that was the staff Jobs had around him at Apple, but Jobs was the CEO and co-founder so naturally he would get the credit. When the original iPhone came out, nobody knew they needed one but Jobs convinced you that you couldn't live without one. Same with the iPad, I remember so many bad jokes about the name 'iPad' and so many people said this thing will never amount to anything. Yet again the genius marketer Jobs went to work and now iPads are big time.

    Bill Gates is a tech head. He isn't as strong as a marketer as Jobs was but Gates knows technology so much better. Microsoft was the first one to introduce a tablet PC back in 2002 but Gates is not a salesman so it flopped. To this day people still give credit to Apple for the first tablet but it was Microsoft who made the first one, they are just that bad at marketing and convincing people you need this in your life. I am very excited that Satya is head at Microsoft now along with Bill in a technology roll, you now have a true technology person in charge of a technology company, the way it should be.

    So which one? No matter how good a technology idea is it's going to flop if the right person is not marketing it. The Surface Pro 2 is an amazing product but Microsoft is not good at convincing people you need this in your life. If Microsoft was better at marketing home products the tech industry would have such a different look.
    02-11-2014 02:23 PM
  7. Michael Alan Goff's Avatar
    It takes more than a salesman to do what Gates has done. Not even going to credit that response with an in depth post.
    How? Neither Gates or Jobs were islands. Microsoft as a company had a lot of people who has their input, same with Apple. I am not going to say he was worthless, but he hardly is anyqhere bear as great as people seem to think.
    02-11-2014 03:07 PM
  8. berty6294's Avatar
    How? Neither Gates or Jobs were islands. Microsoft as a company had a lot of people who has their input, same with Apple. I am not going to say he was worthless, but he hardly is anyqhere bear as great as people seem to think.
    Microsoft as a company now? Yeah lots of input, but it sounds as though you are not familiar with Gate's earlier life and his creation of Microsoft and everything else he was a part of.
    02-11-2014 05:02 PM
  9. fdalbor's Avatar
    The thing that made Gates was the con job he did on IBM to get them to use his OS and not let them buy it from him, but still use it. The fact that everyone else wanted to copy the IBM PC and use the OS it ran was what made the computer clone system (remember Compaq). Everyone wanted a IBM compatable system. It ran DOS so everyone wanted DOS. Was it the best OS available, hell no. But IBM ran it so that became the standard. That is what made Microsoft what it is and what it became. Now Gates had a lot to do with the OS that became the standard for all computers that people wanted. But if IBM had not elected to use MSDOS on their IBM PC Microsoft would never have become what it is today. Makes you wonder how IBM could have been that stupid. Anyway that is history. As to who was better Gates or Jobs, does it really matter.
    Dadstar0410 likes this.
    02-11-2014 08:38 PM
  10. dkediger's Avatar
    IBM didn't really want to enter the PC market, but felt they had to have an entry in that segment because of Apple, Commodore, Tandy, CP/M machines, and others. They at least saw the market, but they didn't believe in it. As such, they didn't really want to "own" their entry into it - makes it easier to disown and shut down when that segment would fail. They also were behind the product curve, and needed to come up with something pretty quickly. IBM themselves were the ones who wanted to license - and not own - the OS.

    So, for the OS, they solicited outside proposals to adapt something off the shelf. The rest is history. No con job involved in the dealings with IBM. The brilliance was making the agreement with IBM non-exclusive which meant Microsoft could license its version of DOS to others.
    02-12-2014 08:40 AM
  11. savagelizards's Avatar
    Each has their own niche, I do not view Steve Jobs as a tech head. Bill Gates is a tech head.

    Bill Gates is a tech head. He isn't as strong as a marketer as Jobs was but Gates knows technology so much better. Microsoft was the first one to introduce a tablet PC back in 2002 but Gates is not a salesman so it flopped. To this day people still give credit to Apple for the first tablet but it was Microsoft who made the first one, they are just that bad at marketing and convincing people you need this in your life.
    The irony here is that the Tablet PC has been Bill Gates' holy grail for much longer.

    Back in 1991, Microsoft introduced "Windows for Pen Computing," which was really Gates' first version of a tablet. You can see Gates pitching the product in (beginning at time stamp 2:22).

    Listen to what Gates actually says: You use a pen, right here on the surface, and you can handwrite, just like you can on paper, and the computer recognizes it. So you dont have to use a keyboard. So a machine like this could be taken into a meeting, or out on a sales call, and used in a very natural way. Were making sure that its easy for people to work with Windows for Pen Computing.

    Even in 1991 Gates was referring to a tablet as a "Surface."

    So Bill really is a visionary, but he comes from a scientific perspective that was both his strength and his weakness. Bill could understand other folks needs, but he had to learn them from being told. Jobs was different. He was an artist who painted with technology, but he was unhindered by a need to understand everything. He just saw it.

    To use an analogy, Gates was like an English speaker who studied Spanish and knew that the word "hat" in Spanish was "sombrero." So in Gates mind, he would see the hat, and his brain would think "hat" = "sombrero" and say "sombrero," very quickly. Gates would know the complete derivation of how "sombrero" became the word for hat, and could probably lead a fascinating discussion about how the name came to be, and what other word cultures used for "hat."

    Jobs would see a "sombrero" and say so.

    He wouldn't know why, of course, he just would. It was his gift and his curse, and he could never teach anyone else Spanish, so his staff would just have to stand around and watch him name things. When he died the language died with him, and Apple could only name those things he already described.
    snowmutt likes this.
    02-12-2014 09:01 AM
  12. untitled007's Avatar
    Bill Gates , He will die soon, and have help a lot of people around the world especially kids to fight desease, while Steve, oh he died busy with his iproducts, he doesnt care what is happenning in other part of the world.
    savagelizards likes this.
    02-12-2014 09:05 AM
  13. iosub's Avatar
    Btw, as far as I know the first GUI was from Xerox, the name of the product was LISA
    Guytronic and calfee20 like this.
    02-12-2014 09:11 AM
  14. Shashank Holla's Avatar
    Bill was exceptional in the field of tech, while Steve was in the field of marketing. Though both have their specialties, I like Bill over Steve. Bill's philanthropy is truly amazing character to see in this gen, where people want money ONLY. Bill, #salute
    02-12-2014 09:13 AM
  15. savagelizards's Avatar
    The thing that made Gates was the con job he did on IBM to get them to use his OS and not let them buy it from him, but still use it. The fact that everyone else wanted to copy the IBM PC and use the OS it ran was what made the computer clone system (remember Compaq). Everyone wanted a IBM compatable system. It ran DOS so everyone wanted DOS. Was it the best OS available, hell no. But IBM ran it so that became the standard. That is what made Microsoft what it is and what it became. Now Gates had a lot to do with the OS that became the standard for all computers that people wanted. But if IBM had not elected to use MSDOS on their IBM PC Microsoft would never have become what it is today. Makes you wonder how IBM could have been that stupid. Anyway that is history. As to who was better Gates or Jobs, does it really matter.
    It doesn't make me wonder how IBM could be so stupid. It makes me wonder how Gates could have been so forward-looking, even at that age.

    IBM was constrained by what it thought of as the size of the market. They had never envisioned that they could sell so many before they developed their own OS, or that other manufacturers would build to the same platform. After all, they were building mainframes, and the market size for those machines was so limited by comparison that they could have projected what to them would have been wild volumes and never realized just how low their estimates were.

    Gates must have known he would be worth $50 billion when he put his name on that contract.
    02-12-2014 09:16 AM
  16. dkediger's Avatar
    The irony here is that the Tablet PC has been Bill Gates' holy grail for much longer.....
    Yeah, Gates was a victim of timing as far as hardware capabilities go, and the overwhelming success of Microsoft's products that locked them into the inertia of the huge installed products base. If only we could have had consumer capacitive touch, SoC integration, and Gorilla Glass 20 years ago....
    snowmutt likes this.
    02-12-2014 09:18 AM
  17. Guytronic's Avatar
    Btw, as far as I know the first GUI was from Xerox, the name of the product was LISA
    I remember while training at Hughes Aerospace in the early 80's seeing a GUI being used on Zenith computers.
    This was for missile launch and aircraft guidance purposes however.
    Very fascinating to see way back then.

    The Hughes engineering people speaking about military and aircraft systems said:
    "In the next 20 years everything will become virtual"

    I think they were right!
    Dadstar0410 likes this.
    02-12-2014 11:24 AM
  18. fdalbor's Avatar
    Can't believe you left out the Atari 800 in your list of available 8bit computers from the beginning era. It was my first computer and believe it or not I still have it and it still works just fine. Of course I can only run it using the cartridges that came with it as the disk drives (no hard drives back then) have long since died. It was an amazing machine. When the Atari ST came out I also got one. Talk about one of the first commerical GUI's. Man those were the days. About 1000 years ago it seems like.
    02-12-2014 12:13 PM
  19. savagelizards's Avatar
    Yeah, Gates was a victim of timing as far as hardware capabilities go, and the overwhelming success of Microsoft's products that locked them into the inertia of the huge installed products base. If only we could have had consumer capacitive touch, SoC integration, and Gorilla Glass 20 years ago....
    It would not surprise me if Microsoft was ready to take another leap forward. After all, they squandered their first decade of opportunity in mobile, and a big part of that was because they boxed themselves into a rigid way of thinking. In that way they were a victim of their success, while Apple was the beneficiary of their near collapse.

    What I mean was Apple could take bold chances because they had to. Microsoft, by contrast, was always worried that changing direction would damage an existing franchise.

    There is one more difference as well, and in that Ballmer could be proven correct, albeit too late to market. That's the concept of a division based on products, which allows Microsoft to control the hardware and the software. In doing so, they don't have to worry as much about backward compatibility. In the corporate market, Microsoft is finally ending support of Windows XP, a 13 year old operating system. In the mobile market, by contrast, the hardware lifecycle is only about 2 years old, with hardware advances supporting new operating system improvements that are extreme enough that buyers are always consuming new devices. If you try to hang on to outdated hardware, the OS upgrades cripple it, and the user base has accepted this upgrade cycle. By purchasing Nokia, Microsoft will own 95% of the productive capacity for WP sales. This will give them much greater control over hardware choices and allow them to leverage their balance sheet to outproduce other smartphone manufacturers who don't have their own ecosystems, while continuing to make WP a increasingly compelling alternative to android.

    Of course, a lot can go wrong before that happens. Time will tell, but more Bill Gates is exactly what Microsoft needs at the moment.
    dkediger likes this.
    02-12-2014 02:31 PM
  20. Elitis's Avatar
    Considering 91% of all the computers in the world run Windows, how can you refute Bill Gates as the leader? Then throw Office into the mix. Game over.

    Market share for browsers, operating systems and search engines | News
    While that may be true, the world runs on Linux. Supercomputers, GPS, satellites, etc. Everything that isn't a traditional computer. Linux dwarfs Windows. So, I wouldn't say "game over".
    02-12-2014 08:24 PM
  21. SAM 77's Avatar
    No brainer.. If you think Jobs is in the same league you have no idea.
    snowmutt likes this.
    02-12-2014 08:29 PM
  22. jomarr's Avatar
    And let me say why Bill Gates. He made major impacts on the tech industry, but not just that, he donates LOTS of his money and time to people and organizations that need help.
    The Mother Teresa of the tech world to be honest
    02-12-2014 09:19 PM
  23. jomarr's Avatar
    To answer your question both are really influential and like someone said, I think one couldn't work without the other. Although they were rivals, they sure know how to cooperate with each other.
    02-12-2014 09:22 PM
  24. k0de's Avatar
    Without a doubt. Bill Gates and his Wife for president. On and off the keyboard.........
    02-12-2014 09:33 PM
  25. linzi7319's Avatar
    Both of them made great contribution in technology world and excelled in their forte. Bill Gates as programmer and Steve Jobs as marketer.
    02-12-2014 10:05 PM
56 123

Similar Threads

  1. Replies: 5
    Last Post: 02-20-2014, 09:36 PM
  2. Hello can I get help with the emulator emipsx?
    By guicholuis96 in forum Applications
    Replies: 1
    Last Post: 02-16-2014, 12:57 PM
  3. Replies: 12
    Last Post: 02-12-2014, 05:01 AM
  4. writing on the 520 with stylus is there any apps.
    By fantom555 in forum Nokia Lumia 520
    Replies: 1
    Last Post: 02-10-2014, 11:40 PM
  5. Replies: 1
    Last Post: 02-10-2014, 06:34 PM
LINK TO POST COPIED TO CLIPBOARD