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    10 amazingly stupid things the 'experts' will try to tell you about Microsoft | ZDNet

    Found this article on ZDnet.... Thought it would be a great read.... since MS has become a company that almost everyone loves to hate/criticize heavily...
    02-27-2014 11:30 AM
  2. micallan_17's Avatar
    I read the article this morning and I liked it very much
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    02-27-2014 11:35 AM
  3. DBDev's Avatar
    Great reading!
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    02-27-2014 11:36 AM
  4. anon(5335899)'s Avatar
    Now that was a very good, unbiased and well laid out series of arguments against the people who think those claims are correct.
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    02-27-2014 11:53 AM
  5. jmshub's Avatar
    I think that was pretty good analysis. Ed Bott generally writes good, sensible stuff about Microsoft. He has had to debunk BS anti-MS sentiment in the past.
    02-27-2014 12:05 PM
  6. Laura Knotek's Avatar
    Ed Bott is one of my favourite writers. He always explains things thoroughly and in an understandable manner.
    02-27-2014 12:08 PM
  7. Guytronic's Avatar
    Tanks!
    A very interesting read.
    Now I have a new acronym to use "ABM"

    I like the Yogi Berra reference "No one goes there anymore ... it's too crowded"
    Looks like the usual rabble of cry and whine commenters were still trying to hatchet the articles points.

    Excellent read!
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    02-27-2014 12:54 PM
  8. Jas00555's Avatar
    I hear #2, #4, and #5 from too many people (especially from Google fans that I work with). I should start calling them ABMers lol
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    02-27-2014 01:16 PM
  9. ruronirican's Avatar
    The fact that I read this in ZD-Net leaves me a bit stupefied. One of the better articles I've read about the future proofing strategy that MS is employing and will succeed with.
    02-27-2014 02:02 PM
  10. LMZR's Avatar
    Great news article!
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    02-27-2014 02:18 PM
  11. fatclue_98's Avatar
    Nice find, OP.
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    02-27-2014 02:31 PM
  12. eric12341's Avatar
    He has to tell all this stuff to his co workers now.
    02-27-2014 02:33 PM
  13. Arun3's Avatar
    A very versatile writer indeed! I lol ed at work when I read this piece where he says .."they (Apple) are too busy fixing the horrifying SSL bugs...." :)
    02-27-2014 03:49 PM
  14. Morpheus Phreak's Avatar
    Ed is a good guy. Thanks for posting this up. :)
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    02-27-2014 04:04 PM
  15. Arun3's Avatar
    Yes indeed!
    02-27-2014 08:11 PM
  16. cckgz4's Avatar
    Loved that article
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    02-28-2014 01:33 AM
  17. Angry_Mushroom's Avatar
    Whoa... hate Office? I've never heard that. I mean the price complaints sure, but I've never heard any base complaints on the program itself.

    Otherwise... had a blast reading this article. I still need to make the switch from Chrome this summer. IE11 has proven to be good enough for me, but a bit of a change in the learning curve.
    02-28-2014 02:04 AM
  18. a5cent's Avatar
    Thank you for the article. I liked it, except for #10 about Windows RT, which I think confuses things even more than they already are.

    Ed Bot claimed:

    the confusion comes about because Microsoft had announced plans to consolidate its APIs for Windows across the board.
    I'm not aware of anyone who mistook that to mean Windows RT is dead. The confusion comes from entirely different sources. One often whispered rumour was how Windows Phone is expected to expand in features and functionality to eventually include many/most of Windows RT features, which is not the same as what Ed Bot said, but probably what he meant. The most important clue was provided by Julie Larson Green when she stated:

    We have the Windows Phone OS. We have Windows RT and we have full Windows. We're not going to have three
    I'd say it's technically correct to claim Windows RT is dead (or at least not going anywhere). With that I'm referring specifically to that piece of software that runs on todays ARM based Windows tablets. However, from a consumers point of view, that fact isn't really relevant. By the time Windows RT is buried, Windows Phone will have assimilated most (if not all) of Windows RT's features, it will look and function very similarly, and it will run on tablets as well as phones. BTW: that is also when we will finally get our unified app market.

    The most important part about any software are not the individual lines of code, but the thoughts and concepts that went into designing it. Those parts of Windows RT will be alive and well and better than ever.
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    02-28-2014 02:21 AM
  19. WanderingTraveler's Avatar
    The most important part about any software are not the individual lines of code, but the thoughts and concepts that went into designing it. Those parts of Windows RT will be alive and well and better than ever.
    The point behind Windows RT is the WinRT framework.

    And, this is what a lot of people refuse to understand.
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    02-28-2014 05:26 AM
  20. jlzimmerman's Avatar
    The current installed base of Windows Phone users numbers approximately 50 million. In the year after Microsoft closes its acquisition of Nokia, that number should blow past 100 million. By any rational standard, that's a market big enough for developers to take seriously. For the sake of comparison, that's more than the entire worldwide population of Apple Macs.

    If you think Microsoft is going to turn its back on a growing installed base of 100 million customers, you really need to find a different beat to cover.
    haha nice.
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    02-28-2014 09:24 AM
  21. bsayegh's Avatar
    I like the article and agree with a lot of the points, but there are some things that I don't entirely agree with.

    Internet Explorer isn't buggy: I have been on IE 11 since it came out for Windows 7. I think it is an amazing browser, but I have two major bones to pick with it. The first, which I don't really think is an issue with the browser so much as the plugin, is that Flash runs terribly on it. If you go to a flash-intensive site like ESPN, a lot of times it will become a clunky mess just trying to load a banner ad. I don't necessarily think this is because of IE, but it is a big pain in the but when using IE.

    The second thing is browsing Youtube. I don't know what the problem is here. A lot of times when I load a video on youtube, I cant use my browser history correctly. If I click back, it takes me down to the comment section. If I click back again, it takes me two steps back in my history. Like if I had watched two videos and now im watching the third one, when I click back it takes me back to video 1.

    I have had a suspicion that Google does this intentionally to make people use Chrome.

    The last issue I have is that IE 11's developer tools, while certainly more advanced than it was in previous versions, is really slow. For all of the nifty functionality it offers, it takes a lot longer to load. With IE 10, for instance, I hit F12 and it would automatically load the dev tool in another window. It was very quick. With IE 11, it takes a few seconds to load. It isn't the end of the world, but I miss the snappiness of the older version.

    Office Sucks: I agree that office is an amazing suite of products. Most problems that I have seen people having stem from using the wrong tool for the job. I have seen people trying to build complex menus and tables using Word, which is possible, but its a pain in the ****. Then they curse MS. My only problem with the article is that they say that these are issues that "experts" have with office, but the first paragraph in that section is about how the people who have problems with office aren't experts. That's not a problem with MS, its just an issue with the article=)

    Windows RT is going away: The article suggests that RT is a part of a much bigger picture, so it wont be going anyway. Is it really not? I don't feel like RT products are cheaper enough than Pro to justify the purchase. If you can buy a full x86 tablet/hybrid for a few hundred more, why wouldn't you? I believe that RT will exist in some capacity, but I cant imagine they will continue to attempt to sell it as a separate OS on dedicated devices.

    Otherwise I agree with the article. MS has been very open with their code lately. They have been taking a lot of their developer's independent experiments, like the Web API, and releasing them in to the wild with source code included.

    I agree that WP isn't going anywhere, though I do think it needs to get where it is going faster than it has so far.

    Xbox is the ONLY MS brand that is considered "cool", other than gaming rigs. They aren't going to break it off as a separate brand. They need their logo ALL OVER that thing.

    I guess my gripes weren't as extensive as I was thinking they might be when I started typing this=)
    02-28-2014 09:32 AM
  22. Citizen X's Avatar
    I know several small business owners who us RT tablets. None of them seem to have issues with them. I got my dad the Lumia 2520. Interestingly he happily uses IE, MS Office with Outlook, a full size keyboard and mouse, and a full size monitor with it... and he has never even noticed it has Windows RT on it. The fact of the matter is as long as he can access the websites he uses and has MS Office that covers everything he would do with a tablet. The guy has a job. He doesn't sit around all day playing Words with Friends. Frankly when I got the 2520 and so how it could even be used as a media center PC I was jealous. I wish it came with a nano sim card so I could have gotten one and used my 1520 SIM card with it.

    Windows RT is going away: The article suggests that RT is a part of a much bigger picture, so it wont be going anyway. Is it really not? I don't feel like RT products are cheaper enough than Pro to justify the purchase. If you can buy a full x86 tablet/hybrid for a few hundred more, why wouldn't you?
    Have you used the Lumia 2520? In the US there are no full windows tablets that give you 10.1", micro HDMI, micro USB 3, free battery/keyboard/case, Office including outlook, LTE, great battery life, and all for $200 plus $10-$15 a month for data.

    RT=secure, long battery life, and MS Office with Outlook.
    Last edited by Citizen X; 02-28-2014 at 09:47 AM.
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    02-28-2014 09:37 AM
  23. bsayegh's Avatar
    I know several small business owners who us RT tablets. None of them seem to have issues with them. I got my dad the Lumia 2520. Interestingly he happily uses IE, MS Office with Outlook, a full size keyboard and mouse, and a full size monitor with it... and he has never even noticed it has Windows RT on it. The fact of the matter is as long as he can access the websites he uses and has MS Office that covers everything he would do with a tablet. The guy has a job. He doesn't sit around all day playing Words with Friends. Frankly when I got the 2520 and so how it could even be used as a media center PC I was jealous. I wish it came with a nano sim card so I could have gotten one and used my 1520 SIM card with it.



    Have you used the Lumia 2520? In the US there are no full windows tablets that give you 10.1", micro HDMI, micro USB 3, free battery/keyboard/case, Office including outlook, LTE, great battery life, and all for $200 plus $10-$15 a month for data.

    RT=secure, long battery life, and MS Office with Outlook.
    So yeah, full disclosure, I have only really used a Surface RT at Best Buy a couple of times, so I cant really say that I am the best to comment on the issue. I may be wrong about the need for RT right now, but what about the future? It is only a matter of time before MS or some other OEM can come up with a compact design for a Pro tablet that includes all of the features listed. Of course those wont be $200, probably closer to $1100, so I temporarily retract my RT statement=)
    02-28-2014 09:51 AM
  24. Citizen X's Avatar
    So yeah, full disclosure, I have only really used a Surface RT at Best Buy a couple of times, so I cant really say that I am the best to comment on the issue. I may be wrong about the need for RT right now, but what about the future? It is only a matter of time before MS or some other OEM can come up with a compact design for a Pro tablet that includes all of the features listed. Of course those wont be $200, probably closer to $1100, so I temporarily retract my RT statement=)
    I have no idea. I am not an industry insider. I mean VHS beat Beta. I bought two tablets within a couple of weeks. One was the Dell Venue 8 Pro and one was the Lumia 2520. They both have their pros and cons. While the Dell Venue 8 Pro was more compact and ran full Windows the 2520 blew it away as far as functionality. Also I was really nervous about giving my mom the Dell Venue 8 Pro with full Windows. I honestly would have preferred RT for security purposes. My Dad's RT tablet actually has more software on it because it has Outlook. I look at my own computing habits and other than MS Office, Firefox, and vlc most of the other stuff I use is Adobe Creative Suite stuff such as Photoshop and Premier. I wouldn't use those on a tablet. My parents use office, email, and surf the web. RT is fine for them.

    And yes as tech marches on I can see RT being squeezed out. Although the secureness of the OS still remains an attractive feature. I love windows because you have so many programs and ways to customize it. But on a tablet I kind of like RT because it is so secure.
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    02-28-2014 10:39 AM
  25. shmsnh's Avatar
    Thanks for posting this link.

    I sometimes forget that there are more Windows 8 PCs than all Macs combined.
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    02-28-2014 10:41 AM
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