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  1. Mark Eggleston's Avatar
    My Nokia 2520 is immune to viruses (so far). I like modern interface. I don't want a 3rd party browser, iTunes is useless to me since I have a Nokia 1520 Windows phone with Pandora and Nokia music.

    I certainly don't want any open source on my tablet.

    and I don't want the desktop! I have that at home, on the i7 PC with Windows 8.1.

    I bring my tablet to work and the IT dept loves it because they can integrate it with Exchange and other Microsoft Servers. They are even building a custom modern interface CRM app for our sales team.

    with "mouse without borders" I can share my mouse and ergo keyboard across the desktop and the tablet. (not that I really use a mouse much on the tablet)

    I have 10 hour battery life, and it gets to 80% charge in less than an hour. With NFC, USB, LTE, Bluetooth, WIFI, HDMI and SD I'm all set!

    lets move toward the future

    not put the "desktop" on a tablet.
    I can wait until 2019 when they unify platforms. As long as I'm using OneDrive, everything syncs up fine.

    Also, it was just announced today that the SanDisk Ultra 128 GB microSDXC UHS-I Card works in the tablet!!
    nokia_lumia_2520-5.jpg
    Last edited by Mark Eggleston; 03-17-2014 at 03:44 AM. Reason: forgot SD card
    03-17-2014 03:38 AM
  2. NokiaFanAWP's Avatar
    Always such negative attacking replies to questions and opinions. Always defending the Mega companies for stuff that should have been on the devices in the first place without having to rely on other "sources" to TRY their apps in wp8. The person who started this thread is just unhappy about the MANY failed apps in the store, always asking for ratings BEFORE u have even tried to use it. Yes there are some really brilliant apps in the store like 6Tag, Fotor, Minion Rush etc., but then there's apps that are just mediocre. I mean for %$@# sake, things like speeddial should be a no brainer when deciding if it should come standard in a smartphone in this day and age, but yet u need to download RapDialer to be able to speeddial and then RapDialer can't speeddial when service codes like *number*cellnumbr# (for please call me services in S.A) are used.
    bitek likes this.
    03-17-2014 06:25 AM
  3. taymur's Avatar
    I'll tell you what W8.1 has that no other OS have, specially the tablet side of Windows 8.1 RT. which helps a lost when it comes to apps.

    It has a beast called IE11, although you might say who the hell uses IE, well it can easily eat Safari and that weird thing on android, for breakfast. Please lets not forget flash. I play candy crush on my surface 2. Yeah on the browser, not because I like the game, just because I can. Using internet browsers on a Samsung tab or a iPad is just pain represented in HTML format.
    2tomtom likes this.
    03-17-2014 06:55 AM
  4. Jaskys's Avatar
    What a trash thread, move on people
    03-17-2014 07:00 AM
  5. tgp's Avatar
    Tablet and desktop are already very clearly defined IMO. There already is no need to rely on one to perform functions in the other. There are already options to have your machine boot directly into Desktop so you never see the Metro Start screen. Although, IMO W8.1 Metro works very well on my desktop with keyboard and mouse.
    Yes it's easy to tell which mode you're in, but there's still a lot of jumping back and forth. It can be rather jolting & confusing. For example, to close an app, you need to switch from clicking the red X to dragging down.
    03-17-2014 07:00 AM
  6. mrappbrain's Avatar
    That is comparing apples to oranges. Legacy programs and apps are different things.

    Sent from my Nexus 7 using WPCentral Forums mobile app
    More like comparing a smartphone to a pc. Why use an image editor app when you can use Photoshop? This was just an example. You can keep calling programs 'legacy', but they tend to be better than apps, much better. Try comparing a mobile game or app, for example, DH4 to Diablo 3 and you'll see what I mean.
    2tomtom likes this.
    03-17-2014 07:17 AM
  7. bitek's Avatar
    It looks like you may be new to the Windows platform. "Windows Mobile" terminology went out years ago. Now it is simply Windows Phone 8 or WP8.
    I am not new to Windows. I always had a PC

    I was assuming you'd be telling a flaw in Windows 8. Instead, you blame Microsoft for other companies not making apps. There's nothing they can do about it.
    This might sound like flame bait but Microsoft is doing exceptionally poor job. I own Blackberry phone and Blackberry is doing far superior job in bringing apps. Microsoft has so much money and leverage that there is no excuse for Microsoft. Overall my beef is not about lack of apps on Windows Mobile but rather on Windows 8.

    Could you get one and calm yourself? I'm typing this out on my Surface RT running 8.1 on it's Type Keyboard (that is also a screen protector), and I'd love to see how it'd fare that fall (it has to be greater than 2 stories please... no "I threw it out of my downstairs living room" scheme, just won't do). OH! YouTube it too! I want to see if how the damage is. You know, throw your Lenovo Yoga 11s also, see which one takes it better. THANKS!
    I am perfectly happy with Yoga. Yoga is far better device than Surface RT. Surface RT is far too limited device.
    03-17-2014 07:59 AM
  8. 2tomtom's Avatar
    And the Surface RT can do more, for example;



    I love my Surface RT.
    herbertsnow likes this.
    03-17-2014 08:17 AM
  9. Blkacesvf41's Avatar
    More like comparing a smartphone to a pc. Why use an image editor app when you can use Photoshop? This was just an example. You can keep calling programs 'legacy', but they tend to be better than apps, much better. Try comparing a mobile game or app, for example, DH4 to Diablo 3 and you'll see what I mean.
    Once again you're missing my point. No one is making the argument that full fledged programs are not better than apps, of course they are! This thread began with the OP's frustration regarding the lack of "Apps" and in some instances the lousy quality of such apps in the Windows8.1 store, not programs!!!! Amazing to see how threads go off the rails so quickly and easily in these forums!!!!!
    03-17-2014 08:35 AM
  10. BDub0817's Avatar
    Why would you want to install an app on your Windows Laptop when from the web you get the full experience? Understand that instagram ,tumblr etc. etc. etc. all have full featured websites. The purpose for the Apps are to allow a limited mobile device access to those sites with limited targeted functionality. So explain why your PC needs an app when the fully functioning website is available? One of the biggest issues about complaints on these sites is that a large segment do not fully understand the functionality of the devices they own.
    I own Lenovo Yoga 11s. Love the laptop and I think Windows 8 is best Windows to date (for touchscreen devices). So why my negative title then. Because Windows 8 sucks or rather how Microsoft is handling Windows Mobile 8 and Windows 8 situation. It is absolutely frustrating to see all those cool apps coming to Windows Mobile 8 and then I go to Windows store on my laptop and with few exceptions there is absolute and utter garbage there. It feels like Windows 8 store is place where student programmers send their "homework" for us to rate or something. I cannot get so many apps that are available for Windows Mobile 8. No official instangram no official tumblr etc. etc. etc. this totally sucks. Good that i did not buy Surface RT because i would throw it out the window. I am surprised and buffed that company of Microsoft magnitude and resources cannot get this done the way it should. This also shows that there was no long term cohesive strategy for the company. When can i get all these apps on my lenovo with windows 8 and what is the hold up there really ? why is this such a big deal for microsoft to unify both platforms ?
    03-17-2014 08:43 AM
  11. Indistinguishable's Avatar
    It looks like you may be new to the Windows platform. "Windows Mobile" terminology went out years ago. Now it is simply Windows Phone 8 or WP8.
    I stopped reading at the first mention of "Windows Mobile 8".
    03-17-2014 08:45 AM
  12. 2tomtom's Avatar
    I'm afraid you're wrong my friend, but both iOS and Android combined don't add up to 8 million apps let alone Windows8! Apps that are well built can actually be a better experience than the website itself. Again, this applies to apps that are well developed. I'll give a quick example. There's no Sirius XM app for Windows8. So yes, I can listen to SiriusXM through the web player but guess what: I have to turn off the screen saver and keep the browser window open because if the screen saver comes on or I close the window, the player stops. Where with the app, take the TuneIn app for instance, it will continue to play regardless of saver or what window I'm looking at.
    Apps = Applications.

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    03-17-2014 08:45 AM
  13. BDub0817's Avatar
    You realize the Yoga can do that also. It runs Windows 8.1 as well. I have a Samsung Series 7 Slate with Windows 8.1 on it and I do the same things shown in the Youube video. I actually point customers to this YouTube Video so that they can see what can be done on any Windows 8.1 devices with the correct hardware. Remember Surface a "Brand", the functionality is in Windows 8.1 and RT 8.1 .
    03-17-2014 08:50 AM
  14. herbertsnow's Avatar
    I don't agree, thanks for playing.
    03-17-2014 08:50 AM
  15. jlzimmerman's Avatar
    Go to a website that doesn't have an app for W8, pin it to your start screen, name it whatever you want and VIOLA!.....instant official app.
    Jan Tomsic likes this.
    03-17-2014 09:15 AM
  16. Blkacesvf41's Avatar
    Apps = Applications.

    Was that supposed to add up to 8 million? If so, they've come a long way since January 2014:
    http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j...auokkdNNrHvPFQ
    03-17-2014 09:19 AM
  17. stmav's Avatar
    Yes it's easy to tell which mode you're in, but there's still a lot of jumping back and forth. It can be rather jolting & confusing. For example, to close an app, you need to switch from clicking the red X to dragging down.
    I think the dragging down is more instinctive than confusing. Some people just don't like to change the way they do things. I have a 3 and 2 year old running around here, and they know to close an app to drag down. They can cruise through the phones and tablets with ease. It's quite instinctive for them. Whereas I don't think the clicking on a red x would be near as easy for them.
    03-17-2014 09:42 AM
  18. fatclue_98's Avatar
    This thread sucks and here's why....

    Comparing Windows 8 (a full desktop OS) to Windows Phone 8 (a mobile OS) is patently absurd. Apple OSX and iOS are completely different as is Google Android yet this thread does not call them out for it. Shoot, Android doesn't even have a desktop OS to compare!

    Mods, do your thing.
    03-17-2014 09:43 AM
  19. tanglewoodDEV's Avatar
    Stopped reading after reading "Windows Mobile 8"... twice.
    03-17-2014 09:45 AM
  20. stmav's Avatar
    Let's keep it civil and try to refrain from any personal attacks. Perhaps a less polarizing or misleading title would help. Anyway, please try to contribute without breaking any rules from this point on or the thread will be closed quickly.
    Blkacesvf41 likes this.
    03-17-2014 09:48 AM
  21. Michael Alan Goff's Avatar
    Just bear in mind that it was fairly recent that the Windows Phone group was put in charge of all OS development and Microsoft. Looking at Windows 8.1 Update 1, it seems as though Microsoft's now taking a different approach to Windows than what Windows 8 originally laid out.

    Here are my guesses as to what we can look forward to:

    1. The Metro environment is going to be retired in favour of something more directly based on Windows Phone. In turn, Windows Phone is going to be upgraded with some useful features and elements of Windows RT. In other words, convergence between phone and tablet apps. Some of the underlying essentials are already present, e.g. scaling apps well across multiple screen-sizes.

    2. The desktop environment will continue and see some upgrades and changes.

    3. There'll be a very clear demarcation between 'tablet' and 'desktop' modes moving forward. In other words, they will be two completely separate environments with no need to rely on one (e.g. tablet) in order to do something on the other. It's plausible that we will see non-touch PCs with the 'tablet' mode completely disabled or even removed, and vice-versa, i.e. tablets with no desktop.
    The Metro UI Is pretty much the same one that's on WP, just updated a little.

    Always such negative attacking replies to questions and opinions. Always defending the Mega companies for stuff that should have been on the devices in the first place without having to rely on other "sources" to TRY their apps in wp8. The person who started this thread is just unhappy about the MANY failed apps in the store, always asking for ratings BEFORE u have even tried to use it. Yes there are some really brilliant apps in the store like 6Tag, Fotor, Minion Rush etc., but then there's apps that are just mediocre. I mean for %$@# sake, things like speeddial should be a no brainer when deciding if it should come standard in a smartphone in this day and age, but yet u need to download RapDialer to be able to speeddial and then RapDialer can't speeddial when service codes like *number*cellnumbr# (for please call me services in S.A) are used.
    I'm sorry it doesn't have a feature you want it to have. Also, there's a difference between being upset and casting blame where it doesn't belong.

    I am not new to Windows. I always had a PC



    This might sound like flame bait but Microsoft is doing exceptionally poor job. I own Blackberry phone and Blackberry is doing far superior job in bringing apps. Microsoft has so much money and leverage that there is no excuse for Microsoft. Overall my beef is not about lack of apps on Windows Mobile but rather on Windows 8.

    I am perfectly happy with Yoga. Yoga is far better device than Surface RT. Surface RT is far too limited device.
    Blackberry is doing better despite having fewer applications in their store?
    03-17-2014 10:08 AM
  22. Xellsama's Avatar
    Was that supposed to add up to 8 million? If so, they've come a long way since January 2014:
    http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j...auokkdNNrHvPFQ
    I think the difference here is that, the number in the video is for Full Windows 8.1 apps in the Store, meaning they can be either for desktop or the start screen (though most likely for start-screen and optimized in Modern design), and are x86 programs. The other number in the link you listed is for the Modern apps, which only works for RT and tablets with ARM chips. The OP has a full Windows 8.1 machine, he has access to the 8 million apps.
    Blkacesvf41 likes this.
    03-17-2014 10:54 AM
  23. Oliver Newell's Avatar
    Don't know what you're going on about dude, but the Microsoft device eco system is the most fluid, innovative and consistent system out there. The "problems" you have pointed out are developers, not Microsoft. Stop moaning and just enjoy it.
    03-17-2014 11:15 AM
  24. 2tomtom's Avatar
    In the low marketshare and developing countries, yes. Not in the US or the flagship devices many look for.

    Sent From My Woven Black and Yellow Moto X
    I do believe that WP has gone over 10% market share in European countries, and has overtaken iPhone in a market or two.

    Not massive sales, yet, but I believe WP has over 50 million users and I look forward to the 8.1 update and see their market share continuing to grow.
    03-17-2014 12:45 PM
  25. 05Paris's Avatar
    I have a Nokia 920, a Nokia 1520, a Nokia 2520 and use Windows 8.1 on my four laptops and single desk top. I am totally happen with every app from each. As a matter of fact I am head over heals in love with every single program and app from Microsoft. There, I have said it, and I don't regret it one byte.
    Blkacesvf41 likes this.
    03-17-2014 12:49 PM
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