03-17-2014 05:00 PM
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  1. bitek's Avatar
    I own Lenovo Yoga 11s. Love the laptop and I think Windows 8 is best Windows to date (for touchscreen devices). So why my negative title then. Because Windows 8 sucks or rather how Microsoft is handling Windows Mobile 8 and Windows 8 situation. It is absolutely frustrating to see all those cool apps coming to Windows Mobile 8 and then I go to Windows store on my laptop and with few exceptions there is absolute and utter garbage there. It feels like Windows 8 store is place where student programmers send their "homework" for us to rate or something. I cannot get so many apps that are available for Windows Mobile 8. No official instangram no official tumblr etc. etc. etc. this totally sucks. Good that i did not buy Surface RT because i would throw it out the window. I am surprised and buffed that company of Microsoft magnitude and resources cannot get this done the way it should. This also shows that there was no long term cohesive strategy for the company. When can i get all these apps on my lenovo with windows 8 and what is the hold up there really ? why is this such a big deal for microsoft to unify both platforms ?
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    03-16-2014 02:33 PM
  2. Blkacesvf41's Avatar
    If the companies such as the ones you cited don't wanna develop apps for Windows 8, they just won't do it and there's nothing Microsoft can do about it. Just like if Microsoft doesn't wanna make Office for iPad, though I hear that's happening soon, there's nothing Apple can do about it.
    03-16-2014 02:51 PM
  3. Michael Alan Goff's Avatar
    I own Lenovo Yoga 11s. Love the laptop and I think Windows 8 is best Windows to date (for touchscreen devices). So why my negative title then. Because Windows 8 sucks or rather how Microsoft is handling Windows Mobile 8 and Windows 8 situation. It is absolutely frustrating to see all those cool apps coming to Windows Mobile 8 and then I go to Windows store on my laptop and with few exceptions there is absolute and utter garbage there. It feels like Windows 8 store is place where student programmers send their "homework" for us to rate or something. I cannot get so many apps that are available for Windows Mobile 8. No official instangram no official tumblr etc. etc. etc. this totally sucks. Good that i did not buy Surface RT because i would throw it out the window. I am surprised and buffed that company of Microsoft magnitude and resources cannot get this done the way it should. This also shows that there was no long term cohesive strategy for the company. When can i get all these apps on my lenovo with windows 8 and what is the hold up there really ? why is this such a big deal for microsoft to unify both platforms ?
    I was assuming you'd be telling a flaw in Windows 8. Instead, you blame Microsoft for other companies not making apps. There's nothing they can do about it.
    03-16-2014 03:10 PM
  4. 11B1P's Avatar
    I own Lenovo Yoga 11s. Love the laptop and I think Windows 8 is best Windows to date (for touchscreen devices). So why my negative title then. Because Windows 8 sucks or rather how Microsoft is handling Windows Mobile 8 and Windows 8 situation. It is absolutely frustrating to see all those cool apps coming to Windows Mobile 8 and then I go to Windows store on my laptop and with few exceptions there is absolute and utter garbage there. It feels like Windows 8 store is place where student programmers send their "homework" for us to rate or something. I cannot get so many apps that are available for Windows Mobile 8. No official instangram no official tumblr etc. etc. etc. this totally sucks. Good that i did not buy Surface RT because i would throw it out the window. I am surprised and buffed that company of Microsoft magnitude and resources cannot get this done the way it should. This also shows that there was no long term cohesive strategy for the company. When can i get all these apps on my lenovo with windows 8 and what is the hold up there really ? why is this such a big deal for microsoft to unify both platforms ?
    It looks like you may be new to the Windows platform. "Windows Mobile" terminology went out years ago. Now it is simply Windows Phone 8 or WP8.
    03-16-2014 03:10 PM
  5. xboxonthego3's Avatar
    Hmmm. I admit the Windows 8 Store doesn't have a lot of apps. But I don't necessarily consider it an issue. Windows 8 is a full PC. It runs full programs not just apps. So it covers all the bases in my opinion. I use the Windows 8 apps for convenience. For example Netflix and Hulu Plus are more convenient. Weather apps are nice, some cook book apps are nice too. I actually don't prefer many websites who make apps. Because the full website usually has more functionality. There isn't a Pandora app. But I can just go to the webpage. Also I found the argument about Windows 8 being more touch orientated a mute point. There are some good Hot Keys or Short Cut keys that do the same thing as touch. And like others have said this isn't really Microsoft's fault for lack of apps. More so the companies for not developing apps for it. They would probably rather save money and just have users use a full functional website instead. If your app isn't in the store use the website it is simple really. It's what I do. Saying Windows 8 sucks for lack apps when you can just use the website or a full program doesn't make that a fair argument.
    03-16-2014 04:39 PM
  6. Jan Tomsic's Avatar
    I really don't understand why you need instagram on a laptop with a ****ty front facing camera, and to browse instagram, you can just open the browser and look at it there. W8 x86-64 runs almost all programs that W7 did and XP before that.
    The only 'app' I use on W8 is calendar, for everything else I use normal applications (that we used to call programs back in the day) on the desktop. There's nothing missing. If I want to check out tumblr, I open firefox and browse there, it's better then any app.

    Do you remember how apps looked like on first android tablets? Aweful. They were just scaled up phone apps with no extra functionality whatsoever. At least this is somewhat avoided here, but there are some great apps in W8 store even so. Apparently they're going to merge RT and WP with update1 and WP8.1, maybe then you'll be satisfied.
    Even now that android has matured, many apps are really just websites wrapped in apk, and mobile version of the website works just as well.

    And last thing, tablets are really only useful for watching videos and playing angry birds. Your 'tablet' has a built in keyboard and touchpad, so you can enjoy actual proper programs like Photoshop and not some useless touch version of it that applies a sepia filter for 4,99€.
    03-16-2014 04:52 PM
  7. 2tomtom's Avatar
    I believe Windows has over 8 million apps. Shortage is on Android and Apple, not Windows.

    Generally, full webpages are better than apps. For example Facebook and Banking apps, you have the full experience.

    Trouble with lots of Android and iPad apps is a limited experience, as with banking apps, they only show a few transactions on a current account, where as the website gives full view of all accounts, emails, shares etc. But I believe Android and Apple don't have the ability to show all the webpage due to lack of flash. So they need the limited function of the apps. Windows shows flash so the full webpage is available.

    So I'll stick with the 8 million apps and full webpage experience against limited apps thanks.
    Last edited by 2tomtom; 03-16-2014 at 05:03 PM.
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    03-16-2014 04:53 PM
  8. Blkacesvf41's Avatar
    I believe Windows has over 8 million apps. Shortage is on Android and Apple, not Windows.

    Generally, full webpages are better than apps. For example Facebook and Banking apps, you have the full experience.

    Trouble with lots of Android and iPad apps is a limited experience, as with banking apps, they only show a few transactions on a current account, where as the website gives full view of all accounts, emails, shares etc. But I believe Android and Apple don't have the ability to show all the webpage due to lack of flash. So they need the limited function of the apps. Windows shows flash so the full webpage is available.

    So I'll stick with the 8 million apps and full webpage experience against limited apps thanks.
    I'm afraid you're wrong my friend, but both iOS and Android combined don't add up to 8 million apps let alone Windows8! Apps that are well built can actually be a better experience than the website itself. Again, this applies to apps that are well developed. I'll give a quick example. There's no Sirius XM app for Windows8. So yes, I can listen to SiriusXM through the web player but guess what: I have to turn off the screen saver and keep the browser window open because if the screen saver comes on or I close the window, the player stops. Where with the app, take the TuneIn app for instance, it will continue to play regardless of saver or what window I'm looking at.
    Last edited by Blkacesvf41; 03-16-2014 at 06:22 PM.
    03-16-2014 06:09 PM
  9. thatotherdude24's Avatar
    I was assuming you'd be telling a flaw in Windows 8. Instead, you blame Microsoft for other companies not making apps. There's nothing they can do about it.
    I do agree with you and disagree as well. There is nothing Microsoft can do about people not making apps but it's Microsoft's problem because they are taking the blame and are not gaining market share

    Sent From My Woven Black and Yellow Moto X
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    03-16-2014 06:26 PM
  10. Michael Alan Goff's Avatar
    I do agree with you and disagree as well. There is nothing Microsoft can do about people not making apps but it's Microsoft's problem because they are taking the blame and are not gaining market share

    Sent From My Woven Black and Yellow Moto X
    They are gaining market share, though. :|
    03-16-2014 06:28 PM
  11. thatotherdude24's Avatar
    They are gaining market share, though. :|
    In the low marketshare and developing countries, yes. Not in the US or the flagship devices many look for.

    Sent From My Woven Black and Yellow Moto X
    03-16-2014 06:30 PM
  12. Michael Alan Goff's Avatar
    In the low marketshare and developing countries, yes. Not in the US or the flagship devices many look for.

    Sent From My Woven Black and Yellow Moto X
    03-16-2014 06:36 PM
  13. WanderingTraveler's Avatar
    In the low marketshare and developing countries, yes. Not in the US or the flagship devices many look for.

    Sent From My Woven Black and Yellow Moto X
    They are in Japan, because of browser games.
    03-16-2014 06:40 PM
  14. thatotherdude24's Avatar
    They are in Japan, because of browser games.
    There is an instance where apps don't matter

    Sent From My Woven Black and Yellow Moto X
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    03-16-2014 06:41 PM
  15. tgp's Avatar
    I agree that the quality in Windows 8 apps leaves a lot to be desired. I guess that's part of the reason I've not yet sprung for an RT. Every PC I use regularly has Windows 8 or 8.1, and there's not a single app I use from the Store. I always install the legacy app or use the browser.

    One example is the MLB app. Last season MLB released an app for Windows 8 before they released the WP8 app. I installed the Windows app. It worked fine. I have an MLB.tv account, and I could live stream games without a problem. But, I soon discovered that there was no way to adjust the volume in the app. Yes, I know I can use the keyboard volume control, but often I also use the volume in the app or web app I'm using to make it louder or quieter than just the PC's volume. I removed the app and continued to watch games in the browser.
    03-16-2014 07:55 PM
  16. mrappbrain's Avatar
    I'm afraid you're wrong my friend, but both iOS and Android combined don't add up to 8 million apps let alone Windows8! Apps that are well built can actually be a better experience than the website itself. Again, this applies to apps that are well developed. I'll give a quick example. There's no Sirius XM app for Windows8. So yes, I can listen to SiriusXM through the web player but guess what: I have to turn off the screen saver and keep the browser window open because if the screen saver comes on or I close the window, the player stops. Where with the app, take the TuneIn app for instance, it will continue to play regardless of saver or what window I'm looking at.
    I believe you didn't get it. Windows 8 runs full fledged programs( apps). There are more than 8 million of em.
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    03-16-2014 08:24 PM
  17. Blkacesvf41's Avatar
    I believe you didn't get it. Windows 8 runs full fledged programs( apps). There are more than 8 million of em.
    That is comparing apples to oranges. Legacy programs and apps are different things.

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    03-16-2014 09:03 PM
  18. xboxonthego3's Avatar
    That is comparing apples to oranges. Legacy programs and apps are different things.

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    Lol. Don't tell anyone but apps are programs. Apps is just a fancy new word. Apps just tend be a little lighter and simple. Still a program. Smh.
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    03-16-2014 09:18 PM
  19. Blkacesvf41's Avatar
    Lol. Don't tell anyone but apps are programs. Apps is just a fancy new word. Apps just tend be a little lighter and simple. Still a program. Smh.
    I know that. What I mean is that if we're going to compare "App" stores by definition you're not including full fledged programs.

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    03-16-2014 09:26 PM
  20. Zulfigar's Avatar
    Good that i did not buy Surface RT because i would throw it out the window. I am surprised and buffed that company of Microsoft magnitude and resources cannot get this done the way it should. This also shows that there was no long term cohesive strategy for the company. When can i get all these apps on my lenovo with windows 8 and what is the hold up there really ? why is this such a big deal for microsoft to unify both platforms ?
    Could you get one and calm yourself? I'm typing this out on my Surface RT running 8.1 on it's Type Keyboard (that is also a screen protector), and I'd love to see how it'd fare that fall (it has to be greater than 2 stories please... no "I threw it out of my downstairs living room" scheme, just won't do). OH! YouTube it too! I want to see if how the damage is. You know, throw your Lenovo Yoga 11s also, see which one takes it better. THANKS!
    03-16-2014 09:40 PM
  21. omi205's Avatar
    I wouldn't consider WP8 and W8 as the same. Just as one wouldn't consider OSX (or whatever OS apple is on now) to IOS. They may be similar in some ways but definitely not the same. So to compare them directly is not a fair. They are different in many ways. Personally I would not use a full blown OS (such as W8) for app usage. It just doesn't make sense and loses the main purpose of the device. I would use it for programs (getting work done) and web browsing. This is where I think your problem is. You are using the computer OS (W8) as though it is a mobile OS (WP8). It surprises me though that you would rather use the app (on a computer) rather then the actual website.

    I will agree that MS does need work in the app department (for WP8 devices) but as others have said they can only be accountable for so much. Things like this grow with time. Developers go where the users are and it saddens me to say it but WP8 doesn't have the users to harvest many developers. But I am certain that this will come with time. On a brighter note their are many substitute apps to use in the meantime.
    03-16-2014 10:58 PM
  22. xboxonthego3's Avatar
    Back to the OP. I wouldn't say there isn't a long term cohesive strategy. There is no way to know for sure unless you are the one making the plans. But from what I can see they are heading to One OS that does it all. Which I believe is the future and many others should start thinking that. I see one OS that knows what environment it is on. It knows how to adapt to that environment. It can switch between that environment and another just by how you use it or tell it. The apps will also be able to know the difference. And will also switch between environments. Code apps once and give them ability to adapt between environments. Less development more coverage across devices. That's what the future should be. And that's where I see windows 8 heading it is my opinion of course. Don't say there isn't a cohesive plan because from what I have seen they have one and are working towards it.
    03-16-2014 11:55 PM
  23. juanitoriv's Avatar
    There are supposedly plans to unify the marketplaces. I think that would be great!! There are a few games I think I would like to cross over. But, I'm thinking MS hit a great sweet spot with W8.1.

    I have a Lenovo Flex 10 a desktop both running W8.1. I use apps for mail and for many things (read content consumption) I prefer the Metro version of IE. I also like the touch optimized games in Metro on my Flex 10.

    For music streaming services, use the desktop IE. It should keep playing no matter what, unless you stop it.

    On my Lenovo, I really enjoy being able to switch between the touch/play interface over to the desktop for Office, AutoCAD, Photoshop, Fruity Loops, etc.. I wouldn't want those things with touch anyway.
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    03-17-2014 12:39 AM
  24. bilzkh's Avatar
    Just bear in mind that it was fairly recent that the Windows Phone group was put in charge of all OS development and Microsoft. Looking at Windows 8.1 Update 1, it seems as though Microsoft's now taking a different approach to Windows than what Windows 8 originally laid out.

    Here are my guesses as to what we can look forward to:

    1. The Metro environment is going to be retired in favour of something more directly based on Windows Phone. In turn, Windows Phone is going to be upgraded with some useful features and elements of Windows RT. In other words, convergence between phone and tablet apps. Some of the underlying essentials are already present, e.g. scaling apps well across multiple screen-sizes.

    2. The desktop environment will continue and see some upgrades and changes.

    3. There'll be a very clear demarcation between 'tablet' and 'desktop' modes moving forward. In other words, they will be two completely separate environments with no need to rely on one (e.g. tablet) in order to do something on the other. It's plausible that we will see non-touch PCs with the 'tablet' mode completely disabled or even removed, and vice-versa, i.e. tablets with no desktop.
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    03-17-2014 01:38 AM
  25. juanitoriv's Avatar
    The Metro/Touch/Tablet environment is already based on WP, going back to WP7. W8.1 runs all WinRT apps as it is. I would like to awesome things from RT come to WP, snapping apps, better Office, etc. Combining the Stores would be awesome though, as I already said.

    The Desktop will always always get updates, such is the nature of the biz.

    Tablet and desktop are already very clearly defined IMO. There already is no need to rely on one to perform functions in the other. There are already options to have your machine boot directly into Desktop so you never see the Metro Start screen. Although, IMO W8.1 Metro works very well on my desktop with keyboard and mouse.

    Consumers/users who puchase tablets running full Windows NEED the complete desktop environment. Otherwise, we already have WinRT for straight Tablet (read iPad, GalaxyTab) functionality. But a W8.1 machine gives you that great "touchiness", AND allows you to attach a keyboard/mouse or just flip out the keyboard (in the case of my Flex 10), or even place in a dock to act as/replace the traditional desktop, letting us really delve into the full spectrum of computing functionality whilst also allowing the portability & mobility that's required, nay desired, with today's computing needs. There is already a "clear demarcation", as you put it.

    I will say that there is an issue with, or lack of, user education on just how everything works. It really is so simple, its almost ridiculous that some people just can't get it.
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    03-17-2014 03:20 AM
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