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  1. A895's Avatar
    Minority, i think not.
    Not everyone is hooked up 24/7 on the internet and a lot uses only wifi.
    So you need a seperate sim/contract or whatever for your watch or you must always carry arround your phone.
    Same thing for the glasses.
    I for one would feel very uncomphy when someone would glance at me with somekind of glasses.
    And i can imagine that i am not the only one and that there are be a lot of places where they wil not be allowed.
    Don't generalize. You may not like it but by the 400,000 Pebble smartwatches sold since last year, it shows there is definitely a market for a smartwatch. FYI, smartwatches connect to your phone through Bluetooth.

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    03-23-2014 01:45 PM
  2. badplanet's Avatar
    For those who may not know, I'm awaiting preorder shipment for a Kreyos Meteor which should arrive next month. Only smartwatch I'm aware of that works with WP. I'll have to do a quick compatibility review when mine shows up.
    Agent claims that their watch will work with WP but it will probably be a couple more months before we will know. If MS allowed it Pebble watch would work great with WP using my WP8 app Pebble Watch Pro. Maybe something will change in April...
    03-23-2014 01:56 PM
  3. SSgt Bruskowiz's Avatar
    Don't generalize. You may not like it but by the 400,000 Pebble smartwatches sold since last year, it shows there is definitely a market for a smartwatch. FYI, smartwatches connect to your phone through Bluetooth.

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    I don't generalize, the 400.000 speaks for themselves, not mutch consider the numbers of smartphones worldwide.
    Ofcourse there is a market, there is a market for everything.
    It would be better if you can use it without the phone.
    Droidphones are welknown to have a great appetite with powerconsumption, wat does that mean if you also going to lean on the bluetooth for a whole day.

    I dont want to flame even when it looks like it, but i believe its going to be a short hype and than slowly fades away.
    If they want something, than they must leave the idea of creating stuf for one particular ecosystem and make them cros/multi platform.
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    03-23-2014 02:49 PM
  4. A895's Avatar
    I don't generalize, the 400.000 speaks for themselves, not mutch consider the numbers of smartphones worldwide.
    Ofcourse there is a market, there is a market for everything.
    It would be better if you can use it without the phone.
    Droidphones are welknown to have a great appetite with powerconsumption, wat does that mean if you also going to lean on the bluetooth for a whole day.

    I dont want to flame even when it looks like it, but i believe its going to be a short hype and than slowly fades away.
    If they want something, than they must leave the idea of creating stuf for one particular ecosystem and make them cros/multi platform.
    Are you serious? You know how long its taken to make smart phones so ubiquitous? For one smartwatch company that got its start on Kickstarter it speaks volumes how valuable a market smartwatches can be. Given the fact that Google themselves have developed and SDK and a smartwatch operating system I say smartwatches are a very big deal. This is only March of 2014 we will see a lot more smartwatches before the year is out. The smartwatch is supposed to be an extension of your phone. Using it as a standalone is not that attractive right now considering the market is calling for bigger screens, not smaller ones.

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    03-23-2014 02:58 PM
  5. Ezhik's Avatar
    Google's unveiling a smartwatch. There is rumor that apple may launch iWatch. I wonder why microsoft is always step behind those companies ??
    This comment from The Verge describes it best:

    "Its unfortunate though They [Microsoft] get closer on A, and B is revving and ready to go. They get close on B and C is launching from their competitors this year"
    Smart watch. | The Verge Forums
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    03-23-2014 03:04 PM
  6. Ezhik's Avatar
    MS had a smartwatch over a decade ago. Kinda like they've had tablets since about 2001.
    They had a smartphone too. Problem is, they couldn't put all of those things in a user-friendly package with a pretty bow on it and so they failed. It took them so long to learn, and as a result they missed the smartphone train even though they were there since the start, they missed the tablet train even though they released one in 2002, and they might do the same with the smartwatch.
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    03-23-2014 03:06 PM
  7. A895's Avatar
    They had a smartphone too. Problem is, they couldn't put all of those things in a user-friendly package with a pretty bow on it and so they failed. It took them so long to learn, and as a result they missed the smartphone train even though they were there since the start, they missed the tablet train even though they released one in 2002, and they might do the same with the smartwatch.
    Microsoft needs to come together and stop missing the train. They have great products but they really need the cohesiveness similar to Google. Google cranks something ambitious every year. They already put out Android Wear which is a HUGE step into wearables. Now the Moto 360 is shaping up to be the best smartwatch since the original Pebble. Microsoft should really respond to this. Maybe they'll have something to go along with WP8.1. Idk I just want Microsoft to do well. They have the potential.

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    03-23-2014 03:19 PM
  8. 2tomtom's Avatar
    Don't generalize. You may not like it but by the 400,000 Pebble smartwatches sold since last year, it shows there is definitely a market for a smartwatch. FYI, smartwatches connect to your phone through Bluetooth.

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    And yet I have not met an Android, Blackberry, iPhone, or WP user to date that has any interest in these wearables. The sports related bands etc are in demand, but not wearables. And 400,000 sales in one year is a tiny % of mobile phones sales
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    03-23-2014 03:37 PM
  9. 2tomtom's Avatar
    I think the smart watches have definitely taken off and I see a lot of support for them. Would you feel the same if they worked with WP? I own a pebble and the more I use it the more I like it. There are may times when I prefer to get my notifications on my watch rather than reaching for my phone to check it. One of the sister sites to WP Central is Smartwatchfans. LG and Moto just announced devices using the android wear standard. I am looking forward to hearing more about the Moto 360! I would be interested in a WP smart watch also! And 3D TV is still around, you can just toggle it to use when you want to...at least on the newest TV I purchased. Yep, you guessed it, a SMART TV!
    Understand what you are saying, yes there will be interest but from my view not major, general public interest. I'm sure this is why Apple have not released one yet.

    Personally I would have zero interest in watches/glasses etc. I would not trust someone wearing glasses, who knows what they would be doing with them, and have no need for a watch with limited functions. My phone is generally available to me on a desk or in the car, with a Bluetooth earpiece I'm set up. It would be silly to have a watch, glasses and Bluetooth headset in any situation. So will not be a purchaser.
    03-23-2014 03:49 PM
  10. A895's Avatar
    And yet I have not met an Android, Blackberry, iPhone, or WP user to date that has any interest in these wearables. The sports related bands etc are in demand, but not wearables. And 400,000 sales in one year is a tiny % of mobile phones sales
    Considering how new wearables are I think that's pretty good. Also your post about no interest is ancedotal. I can find another 5-10 who thinks its cool so that means little. Only hard numbers (read:facts) tell the story and almost half a million smartwatches in year in "niche" market is pretty good. Mind you this is one company's numbers. There was other smartwatches on sale last year too.

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    03-23-2014 03:59 PM
  11. planoman's Avatar
    I don't generalize, the 400.000 speaks for themselves, not mutch consider the numbers of smartphones worldwide.
    Ofcourse there is a market, there is a market for everything.
    It would be better if you can use it without the phone.
    Droidphones are welknown to have a great appetite with powerconsumption, wat does that mean if you also going to lean on the bluetooth for a whole day.

    I dont want to flame even when it looks like it, but i believe its going to be a short hype and than slowly fades away.
    If they want something, than they must leave the idea of creating stuf for one particular ecosystem and make them cros/multi platform.
    I understand that smart watches may not be for you, but you should at least learn a bit more about them from a factual standpoint before discussing them inaccurately. They are used with a smartphone not a separate item so no SIM needed. They use bluetooth 4.0 or LE which is bluetooth low energy. They hardly affect the battery life on a phones such as my moto X or Nexus 5.
    Last edited by planoman; 03-23-2014 at 04:20 PM.
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    03-23-2014 04:01 PM
  12. planoman's Avatar
    Microsoft needs to come together and stop missing the train. They have great products but they really need the cohesiveness similar to Google. Google cranks something ambitious every year. They already put out Android Wear which is a HUGE step into wearables. Now the Moto 360 is shaping up to be the best smartwatch since the original Pebble. Microsoft should really respond to this. Maybe they'll have something to go along with WP8.1. Idk I just want Microsoft to do well. They have the potential.

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    Maybe pebble will develop for WP now that bluetooth 4.0 is or will be part of the WP OS.
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    03-23-2014 04:04 PM
  13. planoman's Avatar
    Understand what you are saying, yes there will be interest but from my view not major, general public interest. I'm sure this is why Apple have not released one yet.

    Personally I would have zero interest in watches/glasses etc. I would not trust someone wearing glasses, who knows what they would be doing with them, and have no need for a watch with limited functions. My phone is generally available to me on a desk or in the car, with a Bluetooth earpiece I'm set up. It would be silly to have a watch, glasses and Bluetooth headset in any situation. So will not be a purchaser.
    I hear you. We all have our taste etc. I for one would not wear glasses such as google glass. I do not like things on my face except maybe sunglasses when outdoors. As one who sits in many meetings and runs many meetings, I like not having to reach for my phone with every text/email/phonecall. I can just glance at my pebble an know if it is important or not. Pretty handy for my lifestyle. I have had many people I work with and others, on planes etc, notice my pebble and ask about it. I also know a few co workers that have bought one.

    If one or more come to WP I think they will be popular.
    Last edited by planoman; 03-23-2014 at 04:23 PM.
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    03-23-2014 04:09 PM
  14. 2tomtom's Avatar
    I think you may be very much in the minority. Like it or not, wearable tech is becoming a very hot item, in a way that 3D TV never did. I also think that's kind of a poor analogy because 3D TV was pushed by the industry and never got traction, whereas smartwatches are growing in popularity on their own merit. I believe this is a market segment that MS won't be able to ignore much longer
    The point made in many comments is that MS are not leading the way and the prime example is watches, which have been pushed by Google.. So I would say the idea has been subtly but heavily marketed. As for say Pebble, with sales of 400,000 last year, which is a tiny % of mobile sales, from tech savvy people rather than the general public.

    Sony are also trying to sell watches and wigs with sensors, don't think that's happening. Apple are always rumoured to be releasing a watch but have not, maybe the low sales so far is the reason Apple have not bothered.
    03-23-2014 04:10 PM
  15. 2tomtom's Avatar
    I hear you. We all have our taste etc. I for one would not wear glasses such as google glass. I do not like things on my face except maybe sunglasses when outdoors. As one who sits in many meetings and runs many meetings, I like not having to reach for my phone with every text/email/phonecall. I can just glance at my pebble an know if it is important or not. Pretty handy for my lifestyle. If one or more come to WP I think they will be popular.
    Yes, there will be interest, and for you the watch will be useful. Guess we can debate the future popularity of these devices but only time will show how popular they will be with the general public.
    03-23-2014 04:15 PM
  16. A895's Avatar
    The point made in many comments is that MS are not leading the way and the prime example is watches, which have been pushed by Google.. So I would say the idea has been subtly but heavily marketed. As for say Pebble, with sales of 400,000 last year, which is a tiny % of mobile sales, from tech savvy people rather than the general public.

    Sony are also trying to sell watches and wigs with sensors, don't think that's happening. Apple are always rumoured to be releasing a watch but have not, maybe the low sales so far is the reason Apple have not bothered.
    You really think 400,000 tech fans went and bought Pebble smartwatches? Are you serious? Pebble smartwatches was available from many big retailers such as Best Buy. I'm pretty sure the majority of those sales were mass consumers.

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    03-23-2014 04:21 PM
  17. 2tomtom's Avatar
    Considering how new wearables are I think that's pretty good. Also your post about no interest is ancedotal. I can find another 5-10 who thinks its cool so that means little. Only hard numbers (read:facts) tell the story and almost half a million smartwatches in year in "niche" market is pretty good. Mind you this is one company's numbers. There was other smartwatches on sale last year too.

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    Yes, be interesting to know how many smart accessories are being sold. Sony have produced watches and wigs recently but not sure of the sales to date. And have seen other watch makers mentioned in WP Central articles. So, billions of mobiles currently in use and watches are probably not selling as well as 3D TV's, which have now been accepted generally in the media as a fail. I think Apple are very market aware and have not released a watch to date, be interesting to see if they bother or not?

    And we have different viewpoints here so as you say, the future will show how popular these will be. They are not for me but as always with tech, interesting times ahead and we may be surprised by the success of products or not,......
    03-23-2014 04:29 PM
  18. SSgt Bruskowiz's Avatar
    If WP, Google or IOs wants to make a big hit, than create something what is already in use.
    Think about the earphones or plugs, instead of wiredup with a cable and jackplug.....make it wireless
    Everyone use them, on publick transportation, sports, work etc etc.......but everyone is annoyed about the wires.
    03-23-2014 04:44 PM
  19. badplanet's Avatar
    Yes, there will be interest, and for you the watch will be useful. Guess we can debate the future popularity of these devices but only time will show how popular they will be with the general public.
    I think this is more than a niche category and is becoming very popular.
    From an earlier post:
    "Sony already has 2 versions out (3 if you include the Liveview watch). Samsung has announced 3 new versions of their 2nd gen. Metawatch announced their 3rd gen. Cookoo has announced their 2nd gen. Pebble is shipping their 2nd gen. Motorola has announced their 2nd gen. Then there is all the new watches announced for this summer Nabu Razer, LG G watch, Archos, Lenovo, Agent, Kreyos and the list goes on."

    A lot of tech companies are already putting significant resources into smart watches. Of the top 3 smart phone platforms only MS does not a watch available from at least a 3rd party. (Believe it or not the Pebble teams first smart watch was for Blackberry!)

    Since I already have an app for the Pebble on WP8 I have offered for months to help MS bring full support to that smart watch but they had no interest.
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  20. A895's Avatar
    If WP, Google or IOs wants to make a big hit, than create something what is already in use.
    Think about the earphones or plugs, instead of wiredup with a cable and jackplug.....make it wireless
    Everyone use them, on publick transportation, sports, work etc etc.......but everyone is annoyed about the wires.
    There are already wireless headphones.

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    03-23-2014 04:48 PM
  21. A895's Avatar
    Yes, be interesting to know how many smart accessories are being sold. Sony have produced watches and wigs recently but not sure of the sales to date. And have seen other watch makers mentioned in WP Central articles. So, billions of mobiles currently in use and watches are probably not selling as well as 3D TV's, which have now been accepted generally in the media as a fail. I think Apple are very market aware and have not released a watch to date, be interesting to see if they bother or not?

    And we have different viewpoints here so as you say, the future will show how popular these will be. They are not for me but as always with tech, interesting times ahead and we may be surprised by the success of products or not,......
    Yes the future will tell. The smartwatch market is VERY young. I honestly couldn't care less if Apple made one. They obviously are very slow to trends anyways. They kept the same screen size for years and they still have yet to adopt NFC (a ubiquitous feature). Even if they do make one it would only work for Apple products.

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    03-23-2014 04:52 PM
  22. SSgt Bruskowiz's Avatar
    There are already wireless headphones.

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    Headphones yes, but earplugs as in-ear?
    I mean with no wires at all, i have seen some but all with wires.
    03-23-2014 05:01 PM
  23. Neo Nuke's Avatar
    Y'all forget that home automation is a proven growing industry and Microsoft has surprises in store for that.
    03-23-2014 05:11 PM
  24. A895's Avatar
    Headphones yes, but earplugs as in-ear?
    I mean with no wires at all, i have seen some but all with wires.
    I doubt this is something that is something on the agenda list for someone like the big companies. But here's a small list:
    http://www.cnet.com/topics/headphone...reo-bluetooth/

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    03-23-2014 05:13 PM
  25. SSgt Bruskowiz's Avatar
    I doubt this is something that is something on the agenda list for someone like the big companies. But here's a small list:
    Best stereo Bluetooth headphones - CNET

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    Thx but that's not what i meant.
    I mean.



    Complete in ear with no wires at all

    But first we have to get the basics right.
    Thats the OS.
    Wat i would like to see is a landscape option for phablets
    Something like this.
    Just like Droid

    03-23-2014 05:48 PM
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