04-08-2014 05:12 PM
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  1. theefman's Avatar
    If anything, Android and iOS are getting targeted far, far more by critics and haters,


    Really? Where? Are you reading the same press everyone else is that praises ios and android at every turn?
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    04-02-2014 07:05 AM
  2. Zeem Frostmaw's Avatar
    Really? Where? Are you reading the same press everyone else is that praises ios and android at every turn?
    What I see is Android sites and fans constantly stomping over Apple and iOS at every slightest opportunity and vice versa. For better or worse, Windows Phone simply doesn't get brought up, at least not anywhere near as often. And of those few times, all too often I hear Windows Phone being the "At least it's not Apple/Android"...
    04-02-2014 08:02 AM
  3. undulose's Avatar
    For your fears, I think Microsoft won't do the same mistake of removing support for WP7 phones (this time, for WP 8). And MS got a great service-CEO, which means the company may focus more on services (like software and OS'es) and less on the hardware part.

    I am not an iPhone fan but 5S is also a magnificent piece of smartphone. But if you're not comfortable with compromises that come with its OS, there's little to fear for WP8. :)

    Sent from my Nokia Lumia 1520 (RM-937 Malaysia) using Tapatalk
    04-02-2014 08:38 AM
  4. Kahuna Cowboy's Avatar
    I don't miss iPhone, but I couldn't handle WP by itself. Went Android and loving it. But if you choose to go WP you have to accept that you are going to have to make compromises. Essentially your eco-system will be third place in a two eco-system race, apps that are all the rage today will either not be on WP at all, or will come so late it won't matter. Said apps will have much less updating and by result be missing functionality found in their Android and iOS counterparts, and local apps you may want like your bank, your local news, or local restaurants or businesses are highly likely not going to be there.

    Later this month Windows Phone will leap into 2011 and finally release a voice assistant and notification menu, just the most recent examples of compromise you have to make with this platform.

    Mind you, I'm not saying WP sucks, or you shouldn't go for it. Actually I am a fan of it. I think the UI is beautiful, the Nokia hardware is awesome and well done, and the interface is slick and smooth and well polished.

    I want WP to succeed, but until Microsoft gets proactive on features and innovation rather than reactive to what Android and iPhone have done, it won't.
    04-02-2014 03:42 PM
  5. RavenSword's Avatar
    First off, glad you came here to WPC for this advice. Kinda cool we get to brag on our devices and give advice. We appreciate that!!

    But, seriously, I see NO WAY you will end up with something you do not like, or that you will be forced into an ecosystem you do not want. Why do I say that? I read your posts. You are making a serious decision and taking it seriously. You are asking all the questions on your mind, getting advice, trying out devices, the whole bit.

    Take the L520, and judge the WP basic UI and operation. If you like it on the lower end device, you will love it on the higher end ones. As far as the ecosystem goes, MS will NEVER be Apple. Of course they want you to buy a Surface, use a WP, sign up on Outlook, and use their services. But, there is more and more cross-platform services coming from MS every year, and if you want to keep your iPad you will be able to. You will need to adjust how you do things, but you will just having a WP anyways.

    My only 2 pieces of advice:

    1) Keep doing what you are doing. Outside of setting up an Outlook account to back up your contacts, see how everything balances out. If you decide to stick with WP, you will find the balance of how you want to do things over time.

    2) Relax. You got this. I stinking wish everyone was as thorough as you in making purchases.
    We'll, thank you. :) I'm trying to think this out as much as I can. Some even say I think too much, ha ha .

    A emergency kinda came up where I needed cash and I had to return the 520. I'll more than likely pick one up again shortly. Good thing is they are widely available.

    Anyway, I think I'm sold on everything about the phone except the app situation . And it's not just app availability, it's the apps being actualy updated. A lot of apps I use seem haven't had their windows phone version updated in what looks like months or even years . Slacker dosent have their new UI, spotify was updated for months, and etc. really, that's kinda the killer.

    I want to watch the full build conference, but from what I've seen WP 8.1 seems pretty rad. Although most features are things iOS/android have had for scwhile , it's still great to see.

    Who know, perhaps I'll use windows phone, keep my iPad/use a android tablet, use a windows PC, and get a surface as a laptop replacement. Assuming all this things could coincide together.

    My issue is I think I'm influenced to much by podcast era or others things like that . I listen to many different podcasts about iOS, android, and am now listening to windows/windows phone podcasts. And there is so many different opinions in these (iOS podcast era talking why they hate windows, windows casters talking why they hate macs and iphone, android hosts talking their issues with windows phone or iOS, and infinite combinations of the three, it make my head spin trying to decide what to use. I want to be a educated consumer, and listen to different ideas, but it seems like all three of these things suck, lol.

    Anyway, hopefully I make the correct choices.
    04-02-2014 04:27 PM
  6. kyriacou48's Avatar
    I never see this as an issue. A lot of banks and business have a really solid mobile site that does what you need it to.
    04-02-2014 06:18 PM
  7. RavenSword's Avatar
    On Friday I'll probably pick up the 520 again. I didn't have enough time with it really. A lot of what I saw today at build excited me .
    04-03-2014 03:46 AM
  8. RavenSword's Avatar
    The WP platform is still fairly young yet is growing very well considering it is invading territory that has already been claimed. iOS (and for the most part, Android) had an empty expanse of land to claim and grow. Still, I understand your concern about MS’s dedication to continue to grow the platform. It still has to make a name for itself and is swimming against the tide. You fear one day MS leadership will just say “Let’s drop WP let’s concentrate on core business and cut our losses.” I don’t think MS can afford to ignore the smartphone market.


    The other issue, while I understand, is something that you’ll get over in time. Peer pressure and perception is really ridiculous when you think about it. What makes MS a cool company or not? Stripped from its PR and cute fuzzy commercials, all these companies are driven by the same thing: MONEY. They are all capitalist corporate entities driven by profits and shareholders and share the same core business ethics.

    What makes Android or Apple cooler than MS?

    This perception of MS being cool is one reason why developers have shunned WP. It’s pretty pathetic. It’s pretty much with most of MS’s products. IE still gets tons of unwarranted bad rap and is the **** of countless meme’s, yet IE 10 and 11 are absolute winsauce. Reputation and perception of WP is greatly unwarranted by the media, salesdopes and uneducated fanboys. And if somebody judges you by the type of PHONE you use, then at least you know how self-absorbed and ignorant they are. It’s a PHONE, who gives a s**t.

    You say you may be making a mistake if you went with WP, but I say you’d be making a mistake if you didn’t. You can always go back if it doesn’t meet your needs.
    Yeah . If I did get it on a contract and didn't like it , I can always go back to iOS I guess. :) part of me thinks I'm not going to know until I just bite the bullet and try . I'm not sure how much I can get from a 520 as opposed to just getting a higher end lumia.
    04-03-2014 03:48 AM
  9. MicrosoftFoLife's Avatar
    Well all of the things you're talking about are app and software related. Microsoft is an app and software company before they're a hardware company. They started on software and that's their bread and butter. That shouldn't be a worry.
    04-03-2014 06:52 AM
  10. RavenSword's Avatar
    The WP platform is still fairly young yet is growing very well considering it is invading territory that has already been claimed. iOS (and for the most part, Android) had an empty expanse of land to claim and grow. Still, I understand your concern about MS’s dedication to continue to grow the platform. It still has to make a name for itself and is swimming against the tide. You fear one day MS leadership will just say “Let’s drop WP let’s concentrate on core business and cut our losses.” I don’t think MS can afford to ignore the smartphone market.


    The other issue, while I understand, is something that you’ll get over in time. Peer pressure and perception is really ridiculous when you think about it. What makes MS a cool company or not? Stripped from its PR and cute fuzzy commercials, all these companies are driven by the same thing: MONEY. They are all capitalist corporate entities driven by profits and shareholders and share the same core business ethics.

    What makes Android or Apple cooler than MS?

    This perception of MS being cool is one reason why developers have shunned WP. It’s pretty pathetic. It’s pretty much with most of MS’s products. IE still gets tons of unwarranted bad rap and is the **** of countless meme’s, yet IE 10 and 11 are absolute winsauce. Reputation and perception of WP is greatly unwarranted by the media, salesdopes and uneducated fanboys. And if somebody judges you by the type of PHONE you use, then at least you know how self-absorbed and ignorant they are. It’s a PHONE, who gives a s**t.

    You say you may be making a mistake if you went with WP, but I say you’d be making a mistake if you didn’t. You can always go back if it doesn’t meet your needs.
    Well all of the things you're talking about are app and software related. Microsoft is an app and software company before they're a hardware company. They started on software and that's their bread and butter. That shouldn't be a worry.
    But do they have much of a say of who's going to make and update apps though? They can really only control THEIR apps.
    04-03-2014 01:00 PM
  11. falconrap's Avatar
    The app situation is improving rapidly. They went from 200k apps to 245k in just a couple of months. The pace has picked up tremendously, and will accelerate with the WP8.1 SDK and the new API's that will allow a lot more of the niche apps to work, and a lot of the "less features than iOS/Android version" apps to reach feature parity. The 520 is a good way to really get into the OS and see what happens with it without having to over commit. We are already starting to get release parody on a lot of new apps and games (WPC just had a couple games on their pages during the past week that are releasing on all three platforms at the same time). This will become much more common as MS is providing some of the best development tools in the world with the ability to easily port your apps. Plus, the Universal Apps program will drive developers to target WP8.1, WinRT, and Window 8.1 with the same application with minor tweaks for UI and scaled elements/graphics. Kind of hard, as a developer, to pass up that large of a market with a write once use everywhere type tool.

    Look at how many features they've rolled into WP since it's release some odd 18 months ago and imagine where they will be just 18 months from now.
    04-03-2014 05:06 PM
  12. RavenSword's Avatar
    The app situation is improving rapidly. They went from 200k apps to 245k in just a couple of months. The pace has picked up tremendously, and will accelerate with the WP8.1 SDK and the new API's that will allow a lot more of the niche apps to work, and a lot of the "less features than iOS/Android version" apps to reach feature parity. The 520 is a good way to really get into the OS and see what happens with it without having to over commit. We are already starting to get release parody on a lot of new apps and games (WPC just had a couple games on their pages during the past week that are releasing on all three platforms at the same time). This will become much more common as MS is providing some of the best development tools in the world with the ability to easily port your apps. Plus, the Universal Apps program will drive developers to target WP8.1, WinRT, and Window 8.1 with the same application with minor tweaks for UI and scaled elements/graphics. Kind of hard, as a developer, to pass up that large of a market with a write once use everywhere type tool.

    Look at how many features they've rolled into WP since it's release some odd 18 months ago and imagine where they will be just 18 months from now.
    Hope so. Like I said, I'm interested in the platform a lot. The only sticking point was wether apps were going to keep getting support.

    Really , the apps I use on a regular day are a podcasting app, twitter, YouTube, last pass, spotify, Netflix, Dropbox, Wells Fargo mobile app,
    And Evernote occasionally. And it seems like the first part for for are there, and if not third party apps exist that people seem to like.

    I do still like trying new apps. Though. And I'm assuming WP still gets those gems occasionally, no?
    04-03-2014 09:06 PM
  13. guillams's Avatar
    In my country, local service lacks on windows phone but even that I use it and I'm pretty glad with with, for those services as bank, I just pin the website to my home screen, I've been on android and iPhone till I tested the Samsung focus, after that I'll never get back!
    So eventually all those missing app gonna come to the platform which is growing pretty fast even here!
    04-03-2014 11:24 PM
  14. RavenSword's Avatar
    So my buddy's actually going to let me use his old lumia 920. That's a pretty good device, right? Seems like a better phone to try out the platform than the 520.
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    04-04-2014 02:15 AM
  15. anony_mouse's Avatar
    It has low current market share because it is a newer OS. Although technically out since 2010 with WP7, there seemed to me to be no real advertising from MS, and more of a beta product (certainly here in the UK anyway)
    That at least is not true. WP7 had a lot of advertising in the UK, both directly from Microsoft and via retailers advertising Windows Phones. I often sat in carriages on the London Underground which had only WP advertisements... it was very bad advertising, promoting features such as the combined messaging which was already available on other phones, but nevertheless MS did put a lot of effort and money into promotion right from the early days.
    04-04-2014 07:44 AM
  16. RavenSword's Avatar
    Anyone have any recommended apps?
    04-05-2014 01:15 AM
  17. Cleavitt76's Avatar
    Anyone have any recommended apps?
    MetroTube - YouTube client. Also available on Windows 8.
    Weave - News reader. Also available on Windows 8.
    PackageTracker - It tracks packages. I buy a lot of stuff online. Also available on Windows 8.

    Microsoft OneNote - Similar to Evernote, cross platform, built in to Windows Phone, Windows, Office, etc.
    Microsoft OneDrive - Cloud storage, cross platform, built in to Windows Phone, Windows, Office, etc.

    Photosynth - Photo stitching program.
    Top Task List - To do, shopping lists, etc.
    Office Lens - Document scanning with your phone.
    MoliPlayer Pro - Video player.

    Most of the rest of my apps are pretty specific to stuff I own/do so I'll leave it at that, but I would take a look at these if you have a need for any of them.
    04-05-2014 02:32 AM
  18. RavenSword's Avatar
    I was able to borrow my friends 920. And he is in the process of selling it on Craig's list. He's asking 150 dollars. It's in rather good shape. I might just buy it.
    04-05-2014 03:07 AM
  19. tgp's Avatar
    I was able to borrow my friends 920. And he is in the process of selling it on Craig's list. He's asking 150 dollars. It's in rather good shape. I might just buy it.
    I've read every post on this thread, but since it's been going on for awhile I don't recall everything. Are you in the US and on AT&T? If so, and if this 920 is an AT&T version, $150 is high. I bought a like new red 920 that came with original box & accessories for $125 several months ago. This was on Craigslist as well. You shouldn't have to pay more than $100 unless it's factory unlocked. Even then, I've never been an AT&T customer (I use an AT&T MVNO) and I was easily able to get the SIM unlock code directly from AT&T. YMMV.
    04-05-2014 06:24 AM
  20. valeriolucciola's Avatar
    Personally I think you would be happy with a windows phone--especially with the new features being added in windows phone 8.1. Let me hit a few highlights.

    1. Similar high level security as your iPhone. The OS architecture is built on security. With so many security issues in the 90's, Microsoft changed gears and focused on security at the expense of all other product development. They practically wrote the book on quick patches and updates to solve vulnerabilities. But beyond that, the winRT OS on which windows phone 8 is based on the same principles as iOS. Google's Android OS is more like winXP. You can pretty much do anything you want to customize the phone but at the expense that someone else can easily gain the same access with the lax app publication process. With iOS and WP8, Apple and Microsoft validate the apps so you know they are safe.

    2. Syncronization If you like how iCloud works you will likewise enjoy how windows phone utilizes OneDrive. You can backup your documents and settings to OneDrive and access your files in other places. So, for example, you use OneNote or Office on your iPad, you will be able to see those files on your windows phone and even edit them if you need to. It's admittedly more difficult to edit office docs on a phone but setting up a shopping list on your windows phone using OneNote is awesome. Furthermore, if you use your iPad to make notes on OneNote, it automatically syncs with OneDrive meaning that if you are on your windows phone you will be able to pull that note and review it elsewhere. You can even access those notes through your web browser on a computer if need be like you would be able to with iCloud.

    3. The App Situation Most people are concerned with the apps on windows phone. I agree that the apps are not as I would like but I anticipate everything getting better. Most of the apps you need you can find. The apps are not always identical to apps on iOS or on Android but I don't think it's because app developers don't want to be on windows phone. I think it has more to do with older polices that added overhead costs to developers like pricey developer licenses and a lack of integration with windows RT (two different stores and development paths that will soon be similar or the same). With android and iOS, you can make an app for a phone and allow it to scale up on an iPad so you build one app and it works on both. Windows phone and windows 8 haven't been like that but will be soon. Consequently, the frustrations that a lot of app developers think about when they have to build a windows phone app are gradually being removed. I think with the new leadership at Microsoft you will see an improvement of the app situation.

    Like many others have pointed out though, the app situation is also not quite a "situation." You can pretty much find an app to do what you want if you need one. Just think about it. When there's a gap in the app system, new app developers who see a need jump to make a name for themselves by creating 3rd party apps that rival even the 1st party apps on other phones. Rudy Huyn, for example, has made several 3rd party apps that people love. I know his name because he has capitalized on the slow pace of 1st party developers. You might miss some niche apps but you may also find someone who makes a better version of that niche app too.

    4. People Hub and Account Integration This last one is probably my absolute favorite aspect of the phone. I can sign into multiple accounts like Facebook, Skype, outlook, Google, yahoo, and etc. and I can see everything about a person in one place. For example, I may have said something to my friend but I can't remember if I said it by phone, Facebook chat, text message, email, or etc. but I can go into the People Hub, find their name, look in the history and see all my recent activity with them. I can see my Facebook and text messages right there and review them. I can see if they called me before or after I sent them a particular email or after a certain Facebook or text message was sent. I can see the most recent emails from just that person without having to go into my email app and search for them. Plus, I can pin their profile to my start screen and I will get a notification if they send me anything on any of my accounts. Likewise, I can make a group for people like my family or coworkers and pin that to the start menu and then I will see if any of them have sent me anything on the same live tile.

    And none of that is even getting into the hardware differences. From a 5S you will likely get a bigger screen (although maybe not the same resolution), a more durable phone, and a better camera. I've lost count of the number of iPhones I've seen with cracked screens (5C, 5, and 5S) included. My Lumia 920 fell face down from 3 feet onto a tile floor without a scratch. I've also dropped it out of my pocket a time or two without issue (I have a thin incipio case). You will find others on the forums with similar experiences or even worse.

    I think if you get a windows phone you should be nervous because it is a new phone with new things to learn but you'd have the same situation getting an Android phone or upgrading to a new OS. However, I don't think you will be disappointed with your new phone as long as you go into it with an open mind. It's not going to be iOS and there will likely be things you miss about iOS on windows phone but you will likely find new things on windows phone you wished iOS had.

    Good luck and I hope I've been helpful
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    04-05-2014 12:20 PM
  21. RavenSword's Avatar
    So I ran into my first "bummer" moment with windows phone. A site that I frequent isn't supported by the windows phone IE browser. I tweeted one of the creators of the site why their site wasn't working and he stared that they don't support the WP version of explorer because it would take alot of effort and their is not enough WP users to warrant it. :(
    04-05-2014 05:19 PM
  22. Guytronic's Avatar
    So I ran into my first "bummer" moment with windows phone. A site that I frequent isn't supported by the windows phone IE browser. I tweeted one of the creators of the site why their site wasn't working and he stared that they don't support the WP version of explorer because it would take alot of effort and their is not enough WP users to warrant it. :(
    Sounds like a very lazy webmaster\creator.
    Attitudes like that = less site hits
    04-05-2014 05:25 PM
  23. RavenSword's Avatar
    Sounds like a very lazy webmaster\creator.
    Attitudes like that = less site hits
    well, if they barely get WP users viewing the site and it would be hard or expensive to support it, i could understand that.
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    04-05-2014 05:30 PM
  24. BobLobIaw's Avatar
    So I ran into my first "bummer" moment with windows phone. A site that I frequent isn't supported by the windows phone IE browser. I tweeted one of the creators of the site why their site wasn't working and he stared that they don't support the WP version of explorer because it would take alot of effort and their is not enough WP users to warrant it. :(
    That doesn't make sense to me. I've never been unable to visit a site just because I'm using the WP IE browser. I can't imagine all the rinky dink websites I've visited with my mobile phone put a lot of effort into accommodating WP users.
    04-05-2014 05:50 PM
  25. RavenSword's Avatar
    That doesn't make sense to me. I've never been unable to visit a site just because I'm using the WP IE browser. I can't imagine all the rinky dink websites I've visited with my mobile phone put a lot of effort into accommodating WP users.
    the website loads, its just the layout is busted and all over the place on WP.
    04-05-2014 05:55 PM
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