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Originally Posted by
A895 Nobody said ChromeOS was for those crowds. But for the millions of ordinary people, it'll do just fine.
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And yet people aren't buying them in large enough numbers for it to have any real marketshare. :|
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Originally Posted by
A895 Nobody said ChromeOS was for those crowds. But for the millions of ordinary people, it'll do just fine.
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There seems to be some confusion here. I was mainly responding to jordanzhninja's post that ChromeOS will send Windows to the dustbin of history. Even you are claiming it to be a desktop OS, which I wholeheartedly disagree on but that's another convo. That being said, if the idea is to have a Chromebook for home use, you're right - it may suffice. But to say it can replace Windows (desktop, not mobile) is sheer lunacy.
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A895 I highly doubt a larger number of normal people store massive amounts of movies on their computer. That defeats the whole purpose of a Chromebook. You can use local storage, but everything else is in Google Drive that you save, which is not that much, because this is normal average people.
A Windows tablet is a gimped computer without a keyboard. There is a reason they aren't selling and Microsoft had to license Windows for tablets free. If someone wanted a tablet they would get an actually tablet OS like Android or iOS.
I also highly doubt someone (normal people we are taking about here) is gaming on a Windows tablet. What specific reason would a Windows tablet would be better than a Chromebook? I can't find one as a Windows tablet has more compromises than a Chromebook, at least with a Chromebook I can have a traditional laptop form factor instead of paying for accessories for a smaller screen.
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Many people are confused about RT as much as I was. I'll be the first to admit I was wrong about it. This whole "lack of apps" thing has taken a life of its own in the tech world and is responsible for my ignorance about RT. You mention it's a gimped computer and I couldn't disagree more. It has a full desktop browser onboard that makes up for a lot of missing apps. It also carries the mobile version of IE on the start screen. I also like the fact that it has desktop mode which allows me to add peripherals almost at will through the conventional Control Panel. It's not really a gimped computer as much as it is a tablet on steroids.
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Michael Alan Goff And yet people aren't buying them in large enough numbers for it to have any real marketshare. :|
Well it has literally zero marketing so that is expected.
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Originally Posted by
fatclue_98 Many people are confused about RT as much as I was. I'll be the first to admit I was wrong about it. This whole "lack of apps" thing has taken a life of its own in the tech world and is responsible for my ignorance about RT. You mention it's a gimped computer and I couldn't disagree more. It has a full desktop browser onboard that makes up for a lot of missing apps. It also carries the mobile version of IE on the start screen. I also like the fact that it has desktop mode which allows me to add peripherals almost at will through the conventional Control Panel. It's not really a gimped computer as much as it is a tablet on steroids.
But why would I pay for a windows tablet when I can have another tablet from another OS and still be as productive? Besides office for free and flash in the browser what else is there?
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Originally Posted by
A895 Well it has literally zero marketing so that is expected.
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What do you mean zero marketing? I think it was last year, but they had a gigantic marketing campaign. There were at least 3 every day that I had to watch between The Daily Show and the Colbert Report and I'm sure I saw at least 10 a day just casually watching TV. I see tons of online ads about them too. Clearly, their marketing isn't very effective.
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Originally Posted by
A895 But why would I pay for a windows tablet when I can have another tablet from another OS and still be as productive? Besides office for free and flash in the browser what else is there?
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Why would I buy an Android tablet when I can be just as productive AND have Office and Flash and superior multitasking? It goes both ways.
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Originally Posted by
A895 But why would I pay for a windows tablet when I can have another tablet from another OS and still be as productive? Besides office for free and flash in the browser what else is there?
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Why not? I love the fact that all my info is synced between my work desktop, my phone, my tablet and my home laptop. I will admit, I can't justify the price of a Surface Pro but I wouldn't mind having one instead of the RT.
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Originally Posted by
coip I'm all in on the Microsoft train. I've got an Xbox One, a Windows Phone, a Surface RT, a 2-in-1 Windows 8.1, and another Windows 8.1 laptop. I use all their services: Outlook.com, Bing, OneDrive, Office 365, Internet Explorer, etc. I think they make the best product and, as I'm so invested in their ecosystems, I want them to succeed. But, I'm starting to fear that they may never be able to recover.
COMPUTERS
There bread and butter, Window, is facing steep competition. While I love Windows 8.1, it's clear that it's being panned in the media as another Vista. Consumers are avoiding it. That's not good considering the PC market is drying up. They they're facing increased competition from Apple, with their MacBook Airs and whatnot. Even Google is making a dent with their awful Chromebooks. Sure, nearly 90% of the PC market is Windows, right now. But if you go to any college campus, you'll see more than half of students waling around with MacBooks.
TABLETS
The situation is even worse in the tablet realm. Android and iOS dominate the market. The Surface RT (which I own) was unfairly mocked and misunderstood by media journalists and consumers alike and didn't sell as well as it deserves. App developers still make apps first for iOS and Android, and everyone makes fun of Windows RT. Their tablet market share is in the single digits.
PHONES
Same as tablets. Android and iOS dominate and that'll be hard to change. While we've seen some growth in Europe and Latin America, in Asia and North America, Windows Phone's market share has been stuck at 0-5% for years now. Even now with the release of Windows Phone 8.1, which makes an already superior mobile OS even more superior, all the tech journalist reviews parrot the same non-sense: "Now Microsoft has finally gotten some features iOS and Android have had for years, but they are still dismally behind in the App store, so we say 'don't switch'".
GAMES
Xbox One is doing well, but the PS4 is outselling it, by a lot despite the fact that Xbox One has way more features and way more games. Even worse, the perception among consumers and game journalists is that the Xbox One is inferior, yet overpriced, ignoring all the extra features it has, they are myopically focusing on minute graphical differences, greatly exaggerating them and convincing mainstream consumers that the PS4 is better. I spend a lot of time reading comments on the bottom of articles on major gaming sites, and the bias is so incredibly lopsided. They lampoon Microsoft for the Kinect (which I think is awesome), for the graphical output capabilities of the consoles, how Sony always has better games (which, ironically, if anyone looked at the X1 vs. PS4 lineups would see is the opposite of reality), etc. It's really frustrating trying to respond to them.
SERVICES
Google Search and Maps dominate Bing Search and Maps in market share, even though personally I think Bing is better. Google Docs has significantly eaten into Office's market share. Same goes with Chrome and Safari, to Internet Explorer. The grand majority of people under 40 are completely subsumed in the Google or Apple ecosystems. They have Gmail email addresses, that get them to use Google Docs, YouTube, Google Search, Google Drive, and Google Chrome. This has made it nearly impossible for Microsoft to gain traction in these sectors they used to dominate.
PERCEPTION
Worst yet is the negative perception that everyone has towards Microsoft and their products. I was in the university computer lab the other day and had a problem with OneDrive's click-to-run integration with Office. Tech support came in and isolated the problem as an Internet Explorer problem. "Generally, we advise everyone to not use IE," they said. "In fact, you're pretty much the only student I've seen on campus that even uses IE. Most of the time it's 60-year-old professors." I've had other friends mock me for using Bing, for switching to Outlook.com instead of using my old Gmail account, for using OneDrive instead of Dropbox, for using IE instead of Chrome, etc.
I just feel like there is this impossible mountain for Microsoft to climb because, for some reason, the entire tech world seems biased against them. Every major brand and service they have is scoffed at. Young people use Google and Apple. Even their coolest brand, Xbox, has been destroyed since their "Xbox One DRM" PR fiasco last year (which, by the way, I was on board with their original policies).
Please cheer me up and tell me that Windows Phone will rise to glory, as it deserves; that people will realize Windows 8 is, in fact, much better than Windows 7; that Xbox One is the most ambitious and innovative console to hit the market ever; that IE, Office, OneDrive, and Bing will get the proper respect they deserve, and that public perception of Microsoft as somehow being less cool than Google and Apple will change.
I'm not going to talk about everything you said, but about the games on the Xbox, it is personal opinion about which exclusives one likes. This is why I have both consoles...
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Originally Posted by
Jas00555 What do you mean zero marketing? I think it was last year, but they had a gigantic marketing campaign. There were at least 3 every day that I had to watch between The Daily Show and the Colbert Report and I'm sure I saw at least 10 a day just casually watching TV. I see tons of online ads about them too. Clearly, their marketing isn't very effective.
I don't recall a Chromebook commercial campaign. But even then that was a last year. You have to hammer ads into consumers skulls otherwise they won't get it.
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Originally Posted by
Jas00555 Why would I buy an Android tablet when I can be just as productive AND have Office and Flash and superior multitasking? It goes both ways.
Superior multitasking is kind of subjective. I find Android multitasking very good, so we will have to disagree there. For office, there a number of office app for Android and iOS including the Office app from Microsoft themselves. Flash is something that it depends greatly on the user.
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Originally Posted by
fatclue_98 Why not? I love the fact that all my info is synced between my work desktop, my phone, my tablet and my home laptop. I will admit, I can't justify the price of a Surface Pro but I wouldn't mind having one instead of the RT.
I have a Split X2 and a RAZR M and my info is synced too through Googles services and Chrome. That is a two way street.
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Originally Posted by
A895 I have a Split X2 and a RAZR M and my info is synced too through Googles services and Chrome. That is a two way street.
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Don't know what a Split X2 is but can you sync across desktops with Google services? Syncing with mobile devices is great but I need all my devices to be on the same page. See that's the beauty of choice. What works for you may not work for me. What I don't need is someone (not saying you) to tell me their way is better if it doesn't suit my needs. I think we've discussed this before but this is my definition of an ecosystem. YMMV
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Originally Posted by
A895 Well it has literally zero marketing so that is expected.
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That's a huge lie. Google loves to advertise their crap on their websites, one of which is one of the most popular video sites in the US (and maybe the world, not sure)
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Originally Posted by
fatclue_98 Don't know what a Split X2 is but can you sync across desktops with Google services? Syncing with mobile devices is great but I need all my devices to be on the same page. See that's the beauty of choice. What works for you may not work for me. What I don't need is someone (not saying you) to tell me their way is better if it doesn't suit my needs. I think we've discussed this before but this is my definition of an ecosystem. YMMV
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I never said my way of doing things is better. Why would I try to push what I do onto someone else? I already know you and others here are vested into Microsoft's ecosystem.
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Originally Posted by
Michael Alan Goff That's a huge lie. Google loves to advertise their crap on their websites, one of which is one of the most popular video sites in the US (and maybe the world, not sure)
When I am talking about advertisements I am talking TV spots, billboards, ads in magazines etc. Chromebooks never had that.
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Originally Posted by
A895 When I am talking about advertisements I am talking TV spots, billboards, ads in magazines etc. Chromebooks never had that.
Microsoft did a pretty good job of advertising the Chromebook in the Pawn Stars commercial.
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Originally Posted by
A895 I never said my way of doing things is better. Why would I try to push what I do onto someone else? I already know you and others here are vested into Microsoft's ecosystem.
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I specifically mentioned NOT YOU. Re-read my post. Look at some of the other posts around here chastising people for not using X or Y system. Anybody who volunteers to pay for my devices and my services is free to tell me what to use. Once again, I'm not referring to you. Post after post you and I have agreed and disagreed like adults.
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Microsoft did a pretty good job of advertising the Chromebook in the Pawn Stars commercial.
Never saw it.
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Originally Posted by
A895 When I am talking about advertisements I am talking TV spots, billboards, ads in magazines etc. Chromebooks never had that.
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That's also untrue. I've seen it on TV, as has at least one other person in this thread. The fact that you haven't seen them doesn't mean anything. I also barely saw Trojan commercials, but I knew they existed. :\
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Originally Posted by
fatclue_98 I specifically mentioned NOT YOU. Re-read my post. Look at some of the other posts around here chastising people for not using X or Y system. Anybody who volunteers to pay for my devices and my services is free to tell me what to use. Once again, I'm not referring to you. Post after post you and I have agreed and disagreed like adults.
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My bad. I do agree that people around chastise other for using different workflows. Whatever works for one person works for them. Does not mean it applies to everyone else too.
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Originally Posted by
A895 Never saw it.
Here ya go!
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Wow! Some serious hostility here today. Who forgot their coffee or Midol - or both?
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Originally Posted by
Michael Alan Goff A) You missed the point of his post
B) You should start telling the average consumer about the greatness of the Chromebook. Not many are buying it.
A) Her or his post hinged on the fact that other people's opinions and preferences were inherently wrong so I didn't find his points very interesting or helpful.
B) Why should I do that? Why would I even want to do that? I'm not paid to do so by Google. I was merely commenting that I found the Chromebook to be a much better product than I expected.
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Originally Posted by
anony_mouse A) Her or his post hinged on the fact that other people's opinions and preferences were inherently wrong so I didn't find his points very interesting or helpful.
B) Why should I do that? Why would I even want to do that? I'm not paid to do so by Google. I was merely commenting that I found the Chromebook to be a much better product than I expected.
Because if nobody evangelizes it, it'll continue to only have twice the market of Windows RT. And I'm told that Windows RT flopped.
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Originally Posted by
Michael Alan Goff Because if nobody evangelizes it, it'll continue to only have twice the market of Windows RT. And I'm told that Windows RT flopped.
It's Google's job to "evangelise" it. I'm not going to provide volunteer labour to a large and highly profitable corporation. Why would anyone do that?
I'm happy to provide my opinion on a product if someone asks, or in the spirit of discussion, but I'm not going to advertise it or provide any unsolicited advice in favour of such a product.
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Originally Posted by
anony_mouse It's Google's job to "evangelise" it. I'm not going to provide volunteer labour to a large and highly profitable corporation. Why would anyone do that?
I'm happy to provide my opinion on a product if someone asks, or in the spirit of discussion, but I'm not going to advertise it or provide any unsolicited advice in favour of such a product.
You'd be surprised what some people do for the company they like. ;)
Good to know you're not one of the crazies. :P
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Originally Posted by
Michael Alan Goff You'd be surprised what some people do for the company they like. ;)
Good to know you're not one of the crazies. :P
That's why these forums provide such endless entertainment. :-)
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Yes they can, they will release WP9 and W9 then media will droll how good it is, even thought it will probably have minimal changes
Look Win vista > Win 7, Win7 is basically the same Vista just with a new name, but it helped alot, vista was on a rough start, while W7 was smooth from first day
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Originally Posted by
Jaskys Yes they can, they will release WP9 and W9 then media will droll how good it is, even thought it will probably have minimal changes
Look Win vista > Win 7, Win7 is basically the same Vista just with a new name, but it helped alot, vista was on a rough start, while W7 was smooth from first day
As I remember it, Vista was catastrophically slow and unreliable. And trust me, I remember it well. Whereas Windows 7 actually worked quite well when it was launched. I think that's why it was well received.
You could argue that Windows 7 was Vista with a service pack and a lot of crap stripped out. Even so, it was substantially different to use as it didn't make you want to throw your PC out of a window (pun intended).
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Originally Posted by
Jas00555 Internet explorer has just as much market share as Google chrome.
You are underestimating the number of PCs that Microsoft has managed to bulk-install in Govts, Schools, Colleges, Libraries - all still running IE8, 9, 10 or 11.
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Originally Posted by
Jaskys Yes they can, they will release WP9 and W9 then media will droll how good it is, even thought it will probably have minimal changes
It'll be more like, "I love to hit myself in the head with a hammer (win8) because when I stop it feels so good."
Originally Posted by
Jaskys Look Win vista > Win 7, Win7 is basically the same Vista just with a new name, but it helped alot, vista was on a rough start, while W7 was smooth from first day
No, it wasn't basically the same Vista just with a new name. Win7 wasn't a complete rewrite, but there were significant changes to the OS between Vista and Win 7 that enabled Win 7 to run on hardware that Vista couldn't, or couldn't run as well. No amount of service packs and updates could get Vista to run on some hardware that Win7 ran on, and ran very well.
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Originally Posted by
WillysJeepMan It'll be more like, "I love to hit myself in the head with a hammer (win8) because when I stop it feels so good."
No, it wasn't basically the same Vista just with a new name. Win7 wasn't a complete rewrite, but there were significant changes to the OS between Vista and Win 7 that enabled Win 7 to run on hardware that Vista couldn't, or couldn't run as well. No amount of service packs and updates could get Vista to run on some hardware that Win7 ran on, and ran very well.
No, Vista SP2 was pretty much the same as 7. They ran the same, really. It ran a little better, but it was basically the same. Also, minimum requirements were the same when you looked at them.
Edit: Also, what do you mean by that bold part?
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In a bit of a rush so haven't had a chance to read through thread so apologies if im repeating.
With the comscore report that WP has zero growth in the US coupled with the lack of hardware, due to the takeover of Nokia and restructure I guess, and looking at what MS have in the market place I believe they have a GREAT opportunity.
The Surface brand is strong and with each SP the tech gets better and the hard nosed bloggers, reviewers are slowly softening towards it. I think MS seize the opportunity and release and focus on one device similar Apple have the iPhone.
The time is right for a Surface Phone - with all the might and support behind the 'one phone' (LOTR advert would be cool, Gandalf calling Frodo using WP9) will see growth. Would be sad to see them go the road of Android where every tom **** and harry makes a device and the OS suffers due to crap hardware.
Long live the Surface Brand!
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"I just feel like there is this impossible mountain for Microsoft to climb because, for some reason, the entire tech world seems biased against them. "
For some reason? You really don't know? How about the fact that they held a monopoly for 20 years and suppressed any if not all innovation that came their way? Firstly, they messed up the Internet by adding their own ideas to their browser rather than using the standards like everyone else. They will NEVER recover from that. Secondly, take a look at their OS releases. Every other release is something that businesses didn't want, but they released it anyway. Why are so many businesses stuck on older versions of Windows? Because the upgrade path is horrible, it's pricey, and compatibility is always an issue. Thirdly, they never innovate. Because of their long hold on the industry, they had the luxury of throwing any kind of software at people and we were all forced to use it (look at the desktop version of Office! Bleh!). They never did anything exciting. They tried tablets, they tried phones, they tried it all before but failed miserably because of their lack of innovation and their primary focus being sales. The original windows mobile was horrible. It was just a trimmed down version of Windows that was generally unusable on a small screen. The same with their tablets. They basically just shoved XP on a smaller device with a weaker processor. How could that possibly work in their favor? So many mistakes while they were luxuriously riding out their monopoly. Well guess what? They no longer have a monopoly because innovation pulled way ahead of them. With things like Android, iPod, etc, overshadowing their lackluster innovation and their whole financial agenda. It's a perfect example of how too much greed eventually loses. Remember, greed is a negative. There's only so far you can carry a negative without it causing negative effects.
So people who are around 35 and over will never forget their hold on the industry. That's the major reason why they are on an fast, out of control nose dive. Secondly, for people 30 and younger, they either like the cool innovative products from Apple and Google, or they just use what their parents have switched to because of their disappointment with Microsoft. That's all it really is.
I'm actually a huge MS supporter. I love their development tools, outlook.com, etc, but the only way that MS will ever pull out of this tailspin is if they create some world-changing technology using what money they have left. They need to be incredibly innovative. They need to stop playing catchup and hire some people with open minds and some understand of where the tech industry is going and embrace it, rather than pushing back. And most importantly, they need to stop basing their software and services on greed. That will never work. I understand that businesses are in it for the money, but you'll never make anything worth buying if all you're trying to do is make money. All the great inventors in our history didn't invent all the amazing things we use today for the sake of making money. Steve Jobs didn't create the iPod to make money, he did it because he wanted to carry 1000 songs in his pocket. Period.
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Originally Posted by
WillysJeepMan No, it wasn't basically the same Vista just with a new name. Win7 wasn't a complete rewrite, but there were significant changes to the OS between Vista and Win 7 that enabled Win 7 to run on hardware that Vista couldn't, or couldn't run as well. No amount of service packs and updates could get Vista to run on some hardware that Win7 ran on, and ran very well.
I know both Vista and Windows 7 internals quite well and I have not seen anything at all that would remotely support this claim. Can you be more specific or provide sources?
As a developer, to the best of my knowledge, the architecture is 100% identical. Only two things changed:
- MS didn't allow OEM's to put the Windows 7 stickers on the same type of crappy hardware that they could put Windows Vista stickers on.
- hardware companies (like nVidia) had enough time to get their drivers working with Vista's new driver model (as used unchanged by Windows 7).
Neither of those changes have much to do with the OS itself, and as mentioned, if you take Vista SP2 as the baseline it's really hard to point to any notable differences.
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Originally Posted by
a5cent I know both Vista and Windows 7 internals quite well and I have not seen anything at all that would remotely support this claim. Can you be more specific or provide sources?
As a developer, to the best of my knowledge, the architecture is 100% identical. Only two things changed:
- MS didn't allow OEM's to put the Windows 7 stickers on the same type of crappy hardware that they could put Windows Vista stickers on.
- hardware companies (like nVidia) had enough time to get their drivers working with Vista's new driver model (as used unchanged by Windows 7).
Neither of those changes have much to do with the OS itself, and as mentioned, if you take Vista SP2 as the baseline it's really hard to point to any notable differences.
Depends upon your definition of "architecture". And I'm not going to debate semantics or perspectives. You are free to believe that Windows 7 is literally Vista with a Service Pack, but that isn't what was reflected in various benchmarks and reviews at the time that Win7 was released.... particularly when running on low end netbooks. Netbooks running WinXP actually ran "better" when running Win7 (and could barely run Vista if it was able to load).
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Originally Posted by
WillysJeepMan Depends upon your definition of "architecture". And I'm not going to debate semantics or perspectives. You are free to believe that Windows 7 is literally Vista with a Service Pack, but that isn't what was reflected in various benchmarks and reviews at the time that Win7 was released.... particularly when running on low end netbooks. Netbooks running WinXP actually ran "better" when running Win7 (and could barely run Vista if it was able to load).
Not here to debate semantics or perspectives either. Just facts. So, no sources...
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Originally Posted by
WillysJeepMan Depends upon your definition of "architecture". And I'm not going to debate semantics or perspectives. You are free to believe that Windows 7 is literally Vista with a Service Pack, but that isn't what was reflected in various benchmarks and reviews at the time that Win7 was released.... particularly when running on low end netbooks. Netbooks running WinXP actually ran "better" when running Win7 (and could barely run Vista if it was able to load).
There was very little difference, performance wise, between Vista SP2 and 7.