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  1. Chris Sandiford's Avatar
    I don't like the way you generalize 2 generations of smartphone users when the two people you've mentioned have the same genes and even at the same house. Their personality may be close; that's why they agreed at the same thing.







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    He was talking about the waiter too.
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    05-13-2014 07:23 AM
  2. Chris Sandiford's Avatar
    Well, it's good that Windows 8 is so similar to Windows Phone in look and feel.

    In time, Windows Phone will seem more comfortable because people use Windows 8 at home.
    That all depends how they use it. I have Win 8 on my laptop and hardly ever use the Modern UI - even with a touch screen. If people have Windows 8 tablets, then they will.
    05-13-2014 07:27 AM
  3. tgp's Avatar
    That all depends how they use it. I have Win 8 on my laptop and hardly ever use the Modern UI - even with a touch screen. If people have Windows 8 tablets, then they will.
    Same here. I make a living on a computer and I virtually never see the Modern UI, except when I search for something. Even then, I don't like it. I haven't found a single app that does what I need that I like. And unlike most users here, I find it less efficient.

    For example, I work in support for a Microsoft enterprise product. I have 2 different versions installed on my PC. I use one version, but I need the 2nd version as well for customer support because we have customers on both versions. I can easily switch to the Modern UI and find it, but it just shows the product name of both, exactly the same. The version shows up in the Windows 7 start menu, but not in the Modern UI search results. I have no way of knowing which is which. I either have to click on one and hope it's the version I'm after or go to "Open file location" and determine from there which version it is.

    What I'm saying is, since I avoid the Modern UI if at all possible, it does nothing to help me fall in love with WP. I use WP and I love the UI on the device, but if I didn't use WP I certainly wouldn't be wanting one based on my Windows 8 experience.
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    05-13-2014 08:29 AM
  4. BobLobIaw's Avatar
    At that I don't understand why you have to make someone (least of all your family) like something, if they don't like it, keep it moving, trying to force your choice in OS is not becoming of anyone.

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    People often encourage others to follow actions that they believe are correct and have been productive for them. Isn't that the reason you are here as well? After all, you've bothered to post over 650 times about how Android works for you and you don't even have a Windows Phone. Telling others not to force their OS preferences on others is entirely disingenuous considering your perspective.
    Last edited by BobLobIaw; 05-13-2014 at 12:01 PM.
    05-13-2014 11:50 AM
  5. BobLobIaw's Avatar
    The real battle is with the younglings; the teens and tweens. Fitting in is everything and no one wants to stand out with phone tech when socially fitting in is so hard anyway. I was on a tram recently and was standing (of course kids don't give up their seats, they're kids) and looking down onto the screens of eight or ten iPhones. It was numbing that there is so little thought. It's trainer culture. Onesie culture. I have because she has one because he has one.

    Microsoft want to get One Direction or 5 Seconds of Summer or a dozen other zeitgeist boy bands using and promoting the WP ecosystem - that's the way to get the tide to turn. Kids are the next generation of phone users. It's no good selling them the idea of offline maps or 41MP technology or Cortana telling them where the nearest theatre is when they just want to Snapchat, Facebook and Whatsapp themselves to death while playing Monkey Tennis (the next big Flappy Bird).

    Get some big celebrity names using the phones and showcasing the teen apps of choice and it will grow for the future.
    I think one of the fortuitous things that happened to Apple was the rabid interest in upgrading from model to model. Parents invariably passed their old iPhones down to their kids, creating an iPhone culture in that age group. It probably wouldn't have happened otherwise as iPhones are way overpriced. Windows Phone's best hope to make inroads into that age group is to be seen as a counterculture cool device. If it happens, it would probably be independent of ad campaigns, but I agree with you that MS should try a youthful ad campaign nonetheless.
    05-13-2014 12:00 PM
  6. A895's Avatar
    People often encourage others to follow actions that they believe are correct and have been productive for them. Isn't that the reason you are here as well? After all, you've bothered to post over 650 times about how Android works for you and you don't even have a Windows Phone. Telling others not to force their OS preferences on others is entirely disingenuous considering your perspective.
    So you have to own a WP to be on a forum now? Because you would lose some readership and a good number of people who visit the forums. I don't force anything on anyone. But I just love how keyboard warriors like you love to make personal attacks when they aren't attacking anyone else. At that I have been on this forum for years so calm down.

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    05-13-2014 12:40 PM
  7. A895's Avatar
    I think one of the fortuitous things that happened to Apple was the rabid interest in upgrading from model to model. Parents invariably passed their old iPhones down to their kids, creating an iPhone culture in that age group. It probably wouldn't have happened otherwise as iPhones are way overpriced. Windows Phone's best hope to make inroads into that age group is to be seen as a counterculture cool device. If it happens, it would probably be independent of ad campaigns, but I agree with you that MS should try a youthful ad campaign nonetheless.
    Yes because WP is so much cheaper. Price is not the differentiating factor for WP anymore. They have to do more and make people switch. Doing just as much as is not going to cut it.


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    05-13-2014 12:46 PM
  8. BobLobIaw's Avatar
    So you have to own a WP to be on a forum now? Because you would lose some readership and a good number of people who visit the forums. I don't force anything on anyone. But I just love how keyboard warriors like you love to make personal attacks when they aren't attacking anyone else. At that I have been on this forum for years so calm down.

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    I find it interesting that you challenge others' posts regularly but whenever your position is challenged you consider it a personal attack. I am merely pointing out the inconsistency in your position. I don't have any opinion about you personally. I do have an opinion that you are here to promote your affection for Android, as that is the plain language of your posts. One doesn't have to be a WP user to post here, but since you aren't, your bias is blatantly obvious to the forum reader. As an aside, I would point out that your position on the open forums is also inconsistent. You have said you regularly post on WP Central and CrackBerry (at least until you got banned) but you have stated in Android Central that you prefer that the CrackBerry people not post in Android Central. Now you regularly bash the CrackBerry posters. Sorry, but you can't have it both ways and maintain any semblance of credibility.

    To address your response to my point, there is really no difference between the father encouraging his daughter to use Windows Phone and you coming on to a Windows Phone forum to express your favor for Android as a non-WP user. I'm not sure how you can see it any other way. No one is holding a gun to anyone's head, but to suggest that you are not here promoting your affection for Android is false. Try reading your posts sometime. Hey, it's your prerogative, but for you to tell a guy that he shouldn't try to encourage his daughter to use Windows Phone comes across as hypocritical.
    05-13-2014 01:17 PM
  9. BobLobIaw's Avatar
    Yes because WP is so much cheaper. Price is not the differentiating factor for WP anymore. They have to do more and make people switch. Doing just as much as is not going to cut it.


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    You seem to be forgetting about the rest of the WP options. A Lumia 520/521 is extremely affordable for a parent to outfit their teens with smartphones. $549.00 vs. $59.00. Even your example is misleading, as you are comparing the 16gb 5C with the 32Gb Icon. The comparable 5C is $100 more and the comparable 5S is $200 more.
    05-13-2014 01:22 PM
  10. A895's Avatar
    You seem to be forgetting about the rest of the WP options. A Lumia 520/521 is extremely affordable for a parent to outfit their teens with smartphones. $549.00 vs. $59.00. Even your example is misleading, as you are comparing the 16gb 5C with the 32Gb Icon. The comparable 5C is $100 more and the comparable 5S is $200 more.
    Moving goalposts here. As is base models (which sell more than their higher proved counterparts) for the 5C cost the same as Lumia Icon and less than the 1520. The Moto E is going to be $129 or less when it hits U.S. carriers. The Moto G is already at that $99 or less price point too.

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    05-13-2014 04:22 PM
  11. A895's Avatar
    I find it interesting that you challenge others' posts regularly but whenever your position is challenged you consider it a personal attack. I am merely pointing out the inconsistency in your position. I don't have any opinion about you personally. I do have an opinion that you are here to promote your affection for Android, as that is the plain language of your posts. One doesn't have to be a WP user to post here, but since you aren't, your bias is blatantly obvious to the forum reader. As an aside, I would point out that your position on the open forums is also inconsistent. You have said you regularly post on WP Central and CrackBerry (at least until you got banned) but you have stated in Android Central that you prefer that the CrackBerry people not post in Android Central. Now you regularly bash the CrackBerry posters. Sorry, but you can't have it both ways and maintain any semblance of credibility.

    To address your response to my point, there is really no difference between the father encouraging his daughter to use Windows Phone and you coming on to a Windows Phone forum to express your favor for Android as a non-WP user. I'm not sure how you can see it any other way. No one is holding a gun to anyone's head, but to suggest that you are not here promoting your affection for Android is false. Try reading your posts sometime. Hey, it's your prerogative, but for you to tell a guy that he shouldn't try to encourage his daughter to use Windows Phone comes across as hypocritical.
    Firstly I never personally attack any poster nor do I go through people comment and post history as I have no reason to do so. When have I ever said "drop WP and use Android?". I may speak out against bias and skewed perspective on Android but never told someone to switch to Android from WP.

    As far as CrackBerry goes, at least I can have reasonable conversations over here, on CrackBerry I was attacked for nothing. Not only I was attacked, multiple posters over there are attacked regularly by rabid fanboyism. So yes for them to go from there to Android Central or even to WPCentral Forums, no I would not want that as their forums is a very active and hostile environment.

    And no I would not get my kids to switch platforms. What for? Personal satisfaction or bragging rights? Please they can use whatever phone OS they want.

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    05-13-2014 04:31 PM
  12. undulose's Avatar
    And? Does that men's they are going to go buy it? Anyone can be interested in something does not mean they are going to buy it with their own money.

    Like when people over in CrackBerry talk about how peoples "eyes glazed over" when seeing BB10 (highly unlikely) when in reality no one is about to spend their own cash just to try something out.

    At that I don't understand why you have to make someone (least of all your family) like something, if they don't like it, keep it moving, trying to
    Hey, my point is about other people's perspective on WP, not on making someone like something. You're putting words in my post!







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    05-13-2014 04:38 PM
  13. A895's Avatar
    Hey, my point is about other people's perspective on WP, not on making someone like something. You're putting words in my post!







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    My last paragraph in that post was unrelated to you but to the post you were replying to before. I apologize if it sounded too aggressive.

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    05-13-2014 04:54 PM
  14. undulose's Avatar
    My last paragraph in that post was unrelated to you but to the post you were replying to before. I apologize if it sounded too aggressive.

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    Okay pal, apology accepted!





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    05-13-2014 04:59 PM
  15. BobLobIaw's Avatar
    Moving goalposts here. As is base models (which sell more than their higher proved counterparts) for the 5C cost the same as Lumia Icon and less than the 1520. The Moto E is going to be $129 or less when it hits U.S. carriers. The Moto G is already at that $99 or less price point too.

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    I didn't move the goalposts but you tried to. My original comment was that the iPhones are overpriced for kids and that many kids ended up getting their parents' old iPhones, thereby creating a phone culture that otherwise would have been too expensive for parents to afford. No one would dispute that iPhones are expensive compared to the entry level Windows Phones. Now that you are mentioning the Moto E and Moto G, you are only reinforcing my point. iPhones are also way more expensive than entry level Android phones. I don't know why you persist in bringing up the Icon and the 1520, because I don't see parents running out to buy their kids new, top-end phones.

    The fact remains that Apple got a lot of hand-me-down phones into the hands of kids, thereby creating an iPhone culture in that demographic. Let's keep the goalposts right there.
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    05-13-2014 05:10 PM
  16. BobLobIaw's Avatar
    Firstly I never personally attack any poster nor do I go through people comment and post history as I have no reason to do so. When have I ever said "drop WP and use Android?". I may speak out against bias and skewed perspective on Android but never told someone to switch to Android from WP.

    As far as CrackBerry goes, at least I can have reasonable conversations over here, on CrackBerry I was attacked for nothing. Not only I was attacked, multiple posters over there are attacked regularly by rabid fanboyism. So yes for them to go from there to Android Central or even to WPCentral Forums, no I would not want that as their forums is a very active and hostile environment.

    And no I would not get my kids to switch platforms. What for? Personal satisfaction or bragging rights? Please they can use whatever phone OS they want.

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    Well, we both are able to point out biases then, because that's what I am doing right now. You have your biases as an Android user and you shouldn't be surprised that your comments are not perceived as "objective" in a Windows Phone forum like you'd prefer them to be. As soon as you get a Windows Phone this fall when you change your mind and save up your money and if all your Google apps are supported and all the other limitations of Windows Phone are resolved, I'll be sure to take that into consideration when reading your posts. I do recall just a couple days ago you told someone he should get rid of his L920 and iPhone and get a Moto G. However, I won't go through your comment history as I understand you object to that.
    05-13-2014 05:26 PM
  17. RavenSword's Avatar
    Well, we both are able to point out biases then, because that's what I am doing right now. You have your biases as an Android user and you shouldn't be surprised that your comments are not perceived as "objective" in a Windows Phone forum like you'd prefer them to be. As soon as you get a Windows Phone this fall when you change your mind and save up your money and if all your Google apps are supported and all the other limitations of Windows Phone are resolved, I'll be sure to take that into consideration when reading your posts. I do recall just a couple days ago you told someone he should get rid of his L920 and iPhone and get a Moto G. However, I won't go through your comment history as I understand you object to that.
    Actually, he suggested I sell my iPad and iPhone for a Moto g and a Asus 2 in 1 tablet because I asked him what his opinion was.
    05-13-2014 05:55 PM
  18. BobLobIaw's Avatar
    Here are the quotes. Sorry if I misinterpreted them but it seemed pretty clear to me that he was telling you to get a Moto G over a 920.

    Well, I'm also wondering if I should just buy my friends Lumia 920 off of him. I've bee using it for about a month as a wifi side device, and 8.1 fixed alot if things I think. Still app issues, but its kinda a temp thing I think. I can buy it off him for 150. Or I can just pick up a Moto g for about the same price. I could then sell my 5S for about 500 or so on eBay. And use that towards car repairs and the like.

    Or just hang onto the 5S and just save up for those repairs. I'm not getting much work right now, though. Hours got cut.
    Sell the 5S and get the Moto G. Better to go for a sure thing and have the cash instead of getting stuck on a phone you may not like down the road. I stopped toying with the idea of WP because I realize now I use too much of Google and certain function that would be missing in WP. Though I may look at it again next year, for now though I need the best functionality right now for my services and Android is just that. Some may not agree with this, but I rather be safe than sorry.

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    05-13-2014 06:13 PM
  19. A895's Avatar
    Well, we both are able to point out biases then, because that's what I am doing right now. You have your biases as an Android user and you shouldn't be surprised that your comments are not perceived as "objective" in a Windows Phone forum like you'd prefer them to be. As soon as you get a Windows Phone this fall when you change your mind and save up your money and if all your Google apps are supported and all the other limitations of Windows Phone are resolved, I'll be sure to take that into consideration when reading your posts. I do recall just a couple days ago you told someone he should get rid of his L920 and iPhone and get a Moto G. However, I won't go through your comment history as I understand you object to that.
    I didn't but Ok. He has an iPhone already. For everything else you said, I am dropping it pointing out each other biases does nothing for the thread. We have our differences and let it be that.

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    05-13-2014 06:54 PM
  20. A895's Avatar
    Here are the quotes. Sorry if I misinterpreted them but it seemed pretty clear to me that he was telling you to get a Moto G over a 920.
    He has an iPhone now and he was thinking of changing it up, he didn't. I was suggesting he choose Android because iOS and Android are more similar in app than iOS and WP. It would be a shock for an iOS user.

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    05-13-2014 06:56 PM
  21. Robinsonmac's Avatar
    Two generations but from the same house and genes doesn't seem to be as a good basis of how people look at WP. Maybe you're not good at influencing your child, you know.

    Additionally, people who saw my old Lumia 625 and my current phone, 1520, are amazed at my phones. These people not only include my relatives but also my co-workers.
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    FYI, It's my 42 yr old wife & 17 yr old step daughter so your comment is dead wrong(only 1/2 the same genes as her mother.) Also the waiter was 2 years older than my daughter, which I consider the same generation. As far as his genes go he was of a different race & gender....

    In regards to influencing my daughter. We've only been married for 3 years & it not my job as a parent to try influence any of my kids on things they like or dis-like. I give all my kids as much info as possible & teach them to make a decision based on the info they have and be able to accept the out come of that decision good or bad. For example my 8 yr old son saved enough money to buy a video, instead of me trying to influence him on which video he should buy based on which one "I" liked or "think" he should like, I told him to think about his 3 favorite movies and pick the one he would want to watch over & over.... It's not mine or a parents place to decide or try to influence your kids in what they like or prefer... My job is to make sure they have a good moral foundation, are respectful to others, get the best education available, appreciative of things they have & are prepared for life as an adult.

    The best way to influence your child is to be a good role model
    Last edited by Robinsonmac; 05-14-2014 at 06:41 AM.
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    05-14-2014 06:15 AM
  22. undulose's Avatar
    FYI, It's my 42 yr old wife & 17 yr old step daughter so your comment is dead wrong(only 1/2 the same genes as her mother.) Also the waiter was 2 years older than my daughter, which I consider the same generation. As far as his genes go he was of a different race & gender....

    In regards to influencing my daughter. We've only been married for 3 years & it not my job as a parent to try influence any of my kids on things they like or dis-like. I give all my kids as much info as possible & teach them to make a decision based on the info they have and be able to accept the out come of that decision good or bad. For example my 8 yr old son saved enough money to buy a video, instead of me trying to influence him on which video he should buy based on which one "I" liked, I told him to think about his 3 favorite movies and pick the one he would want to watch over & over.... It's not mine or parents place to decide or try to influence your kids in what they like... My job is to make sure they have a good moral foundation, are respectful to others, get the best education available, appreciative of things they have & are prepared for life as an adult.

    The best way to influence your child is to be a good role model


    Okay mate, I stand corrected this time that you gave further details on your ' samples' (in statistics, we call objects or people related to gathering of data as samples). And kuddos to being a good parent! :)





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    05-14-2014 06:20 AM
  23. Dr Love PhD's Avatar
    So if WP has around 4% global market share, does this really mean that 96% of people either need to always have the latest and greatest apps, hate change so much that they are not open to trying anything new even though they were open to trying the iPhone or Android and have even switched back and forth, or hate Microsoft and/or Windows so much that they would never consider buying a WP regardless of price or features?
    About 50% of the market is untouched and still using dumb phones. Cut your percentages by half.
    05-14-2014 06:56 AM
  24. Dr Love PhD's Avatar
    Don't quote Wikipedia, it is not reliable. Anyone can edit anything to say whatever until another comes along and repairs the misinformation...
    05-14-2014 06:59 AM
  25. tgp's Avatar
    Don't quote Wikipedia, it is not reliable. Anyone can edit anything to say whatever until another comes along and repairs the misinformation...
    Crowdsourced isn't all bad. There's a built in system of checks & balances, as opposed to an article written by a sole opinionated and/or misinformed author.
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    05-14-2014 07:30 AM
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