05-13-2014 12:09 AM
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  1. Germak's Avatar
    Sorry if is a similar thread somewhere Else but I didn't find one so i post it here.

    I am new to WP and to this forum,I read a lot of stuff here and in other similar forums
    and I believe all people that don't use a WP they "afraid" to move to a new platform for
    several reasons.
    Ibelieve MS is behind those two rivals because of lack of Google apps(chrome,g+,gmail,etc)
    and it has a limited appstore vs android and iOS.
    These are the words of my friends here in Greece when I told them that I would buy a Nokia Lumia device.
    They said:
    Are you crazy?WP?Not in a billion years!It doesn't have Gaaps.

    I like to test something different and give a try to WP so I bought one.

    Please tell your opinion on what Microsoft should do to dominate over android & ios.
    I told you.Integrate Gaps(chrome,g+,gmail,etc) and add missing apps to her app store.
    05-11-2014 07:00 AM
  2. Himanshu Chowdhary's Avatar
    When I ditched ios and android , I was missing some apps like YouTube , flipboard but soon I found some great 3rd party alternatives like metro tube , weave and many more apps. I don't really feel the app gap (though there is some gap in games but I am sure it will be filled soon by developers ). Windows phone 8 was lacking notification centre , voice assistant but with windows phone 8.1 these OS gaps are filled. India (my country ) is adopting windows phone at fast rate resulting in more polished apps from developers due to high market share.
    Guytronic and paulxxwall like this.
    05-11-2014 07:09 AM
  3. prasath1234's Avatar
    Yes india is getting apps due to increase in market share.but india is also android country with 90% android market share.

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    05-11-2014 07:50 AM
  4. ujori89's Avatar
    About my opinion i think that the apps are them what we need more then everything. I use wp from the october (before android), and i like very much the interface that we have on wp but...the problem is the number of apps on store. MS has to do very much work with that, not with transparent live tiles, notifications centre ecc ecc. This things can do slowly, we need apps. Everyone that i try to bring on windows phone, they check first what they can get throw the store!
    05-11-2014 08:13 AM
  5. christos michalopoulos's Avatar
    I don't like android. I love windows phone 📞 but right now the best os is IOS. For my needs I can do anything with an iPhone. MSFT must precipitate the development of the os. It's little things that need to be more polished. From example I can do my work from safari and chrome on special sites but no from IE. I love ❤ Lumia 1520 and I would like to have an IOS experience on WP.
    Zihad al amin likes this.
    05-11-2014 08:34 AM
  6. peacefulberry's Avatar
    To me, a lot of Microsoft products suck on Windows Phone. For instance, IE (no back, forward, private browsing, etc.) Also, Office on WP sucks! I thought Office would be like it is on the surface, but its not. You can't add photos to documents, etc. Their calendar sucks. We just got separate volume controls, a way to close apps without the back button, etc. I just think if they make Microsoft products stellar on WP then, alot of ppl wouldn't have to look back.
    A895 likes this.
    05-11-2014 08:43 AM
  7. ringbear-er's Avatar
    For me the problem is the bad fame. People criticize WP without even trying it and even though the number of apps has grown up little by little people keeps complaining about the gap of apps that maybe they would not use anyway.

    The real problem is the performance of popular apps like facebook or WhatsApp which have many critics in the store for being slow or not working properly. I've seen comments of people saying that they are ditching WP because of WhatsApp or facebook not working like they do in android. What worries me now is the terrible music app for WP 8.1 it will just get worst this situation and since some regions can't get the updates for such app their experience will not improve and the bad game f of the app will increase: What kind of OS is one where you can't even play your music, post a comment or get WhatsApp notifications properly? That what people will think.
    Zihad al amin likes this.
    05-11-2014 09:25 AM
  8. iyae's Avatar
    To me, a lot of Microsoft products suck on Windows Phone. For instance, IE (no back, forward, private browsing, etc.) Also, Office on WP sucks! I thought Office would be like it is on the surface, but its not. You can't add photos to documents, etc. Their calendar sucks. We just got separate volume controls, a way to close apps without the back button, etc. I just think if they make Microsoft products stellar on WP then, alot of ppl wouldn't have to look back.
    All that has been fixed on 8.1. IE has forward and back, password sync, tab sync...its really good. Are you on 8.1? How did you not know swiping left and right takes you forward/back?? :P
    carlos12001 likes this.
    05-11-2014 09:28 AM
  9. iyae's Avatar
    I agree the music is app is really bad now. Having used iphone for 3 generations I can tell you it just worked. Xbox music is real ****ty right now so I hope they fix it up real quick. Its just way too slow to make WP look good
    alamosimp and A895 like this.
    05-11-2014 09:30 AM
  10. mjrtoo's Avatar
    F What kind of OS is one where you can't even play your music, post a comment or get WhatsApp notifications properly? That what people will think.
    Huh?
    05-11-2014 09:31 AM
  11. iamtim's Avatar
    You couldn't find a similar thread? Really?
    wpgeek820 likes this.
    05-11-2014 09:55 AM
  12. Ian Too's Avatar
    I think Microsoft are doing what they need: providing a smooth stable platform, extending synchronisation between their platforms and bringing in universal apps.

    Conceptually Microsoft are ahead, developing the world's first dynamic user interface and its clear there is more goodness to come from this UI concept with interactive tiles in the future. With Bing and Cortana also developing, Microsoft are going to be seen as ahead because Chrome is no answer to traditional Windows, Android being increasingly seen as unstable. iOS is uninspiring and MAC OS is where with touch or gesture, exactly?

    Part of the problem for Microsoft's detractors is that they are being shortsighted; treating mobile and 'proper' OSs in isolation and comparing like for like, while information technology is becoming less and less device dependent as the cloud develops and only the most demanding uses require high-end hardware. Microsoft have the best cloud solutions and in unifying their OS's are eliminating issues in moving data between platforms. Already we have synchronisation between photos, documents, calendars, contacts, weather apps, favourites (& passwords) in IE, reading lists and more.

    Out of the box, Microsoft products are already the most useful. What other mobile platforms have a word processor and spreadsheet built in? And with Gemini on it's way we'll have even better office integration while Google and Apple are doing what, exactly, apart from tolerating Office? Microsoft are in the driving seat here.

    In recent years it has become vogue to ***** about Microsoft, with just about every pundit and armchair quarterback indulging in masturbatory hypocrisy. But Microsoft have not bitched about it, instead they have been quietly building their platform - all the while aware that they are coming from behind. People should not mistake Microsoft's willingness to listen to criticism - when did Apple or Google ever seek the opinion of their fans? - for an admission of incompetence.

    While Microsoft gave us Millenium and Vista, Apple gave us a brittle phone with indifferent reception (oh no, we were holding the phone wrongly, weren't we?) and Google have given us a whole raft of low-end devices which really suck to the point where you get a low memory warning when you've installed a whole two apps (oh no, we have to buy an SD card if we want enough memory, don't we?). Apple and Google fans are far too forgiving of those companies, while just about everybody are too hard on Microsoft. Time to get a sense of proportion.
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    05-11-2014 10:20 AM
  13. carlos12001's Avatar
    I'm sorry for my ignorance, what's the problem with the music app? It plays my music just fine and I'm on 8.1. Also, I think the carriers have alot to do with marketing, ever been in a Verizon store and talked to one of those idiots WP?
    05-11-2014 11:39 AM
  14. Germak's Avatar
    I think Microsoft are doing what they need: providing a smooth stable platform, extending synchronisation between their platforms and bringing in universal apps.

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    Out of the box, Microsoft products are already the most useful.
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    While Microsoft gave us Millenium and Vista, Apple gave us a brittle phone with indifferent reception (oh no, we were holding the phone wrongly, weren't we?) and Google have given us a whole raft of low-end devices which really suck to the point where you get a low memory warning when you've installed a whole two apps (oh no, we have to buy an SD card if we want enough memory, don't we?). Apple and Google fans are far too forgiving of those companies, while just about everybody are too hard on Microsoft. Time to get a sense of proportion.
    I definitely agree with you to all but........MS is still 3d in Market place.
    05-11-2014 11:44 AM
  15. peacefulberry's Avatar
    All that has been fixed on 8.1. IE has forward and back, password sync, tab sync...its really good. Are you on 8.1? How did you not know swiping left and right takes you forward/back?? :P
    No, not on 8.1. And I don't think T-Mobile will update my phone, since they refused to give us gdr3. So, I would either have to do the dp or get a new phone with 8.1. But even if I did have 8.1, what I'm saying is that it took years for these things, when I just assumed that IE and office would work like it did on the surface.
    05-11-2014 01:34 PM
  16. A895's Avatar
    They should stop letting Devs skim over WP as far as new and popular apps are concerned. I just looked at the thread about how Flipboard is yet to come to WP even though it was supposedly going to come. Flipboard is on BlackBerry even! I know some say apps don't matter, WP is for productivity etc., but I don't think anyone can deny, the ones who are making Android and iOS popular are clamoring for the same apps WP lacks. Get devs on the platform, that way you can say with certainty yes, the same apps and games you and your friends are playing are on WP too.

    The growth of the smartphone market is stalling and Microsoft has to make a push to get users of other platforms on WP and getting the same apps is very good step in the right direction. I also want to say, Microsoft needs to have a bigger push on advertising and make these ads informational and show off what's cool and different about WP. Users on WP now, should't be unpaid advertisers to their friends and family, one of the many reasons BB is doing so poorly is trying to use word of mouth instead of actual ads is one of them. Get billboards, 30 second TV ads, flyers the whole shabang, throw into peoples faces so much they will ask about a WP next time they go to their carrier store. Apple and Samsung dominate the airways as far as ads go, and Microsoft can be up there too.
    05-11-2014 02:12 PM
  17. peacefulberry's Avatar
    The growth of the smartphone market is stalling and Microsoft has to make a push to get users of other platforms on WP and getting the same apps is very good step in the right direction. I also want to say, Microsoft needs to have a bigger push on advertising and make these ads informational and show off what's cool and different about WP.
    I agree...the Lumia ads were funny and I think Microsoft needs more commercials. Like a lot more! We should see them everywhere! The more ppl see them, the more they'll want them. Also, Samsung does a college tour and hives away galaxy products and other cool stuff. I think if Microsoft would do a college tour, it would be fun! One of the requirements in the Samsung college tour, was that the students had to write about it on social media w/a particular hashtag to be entered into the drawing. I think social media and old fashion commercials will do the trick! But Microsoft is a multi billion dollar corporation (or more), so surely they know this right?
    05-11-2014 02:39 PM
  18. A895's Avatar
    I agree...the Lumia ads were funny and I think Microsoft needs more commercials. Like a lot more! We should see them everywhere! The more ppl see them, the more they'll want them. Also, Samsung does a college tour and hives away galaxy products and other cool stuff. I think if Microsoft would do a college tour, it would be fun! One of the requirements in the Samsung college tour, was that the students had to write about it on social media w/a particular hashtag to be entered into the drawing. I think social media and old fashion commercials will do the trick! But Microsoft is a multi billion dollar corporation (or more), so surely they know this right?
    You would think so. But I don't know what they are thinking.
    05-11-2014 02:50 PM
  19. Kaushik Dash's Avatar
    All that Microsoft really needs now is a lot of handsets (a LOT of) and a lot of marketing.
    05-11-2014 03:08 PM
  20. Pacus1x's Avatar
    The ads and TV commercials could help, but many times the problem starts in the carrier stores, most the staff of those stores only talks about how great is Samsung and Apple, and if you ask other options they will only mention HTC or LG... no WP at all. Many people rely too much on the seller "expertise" on phones and those sellers only suggest what is selling more or the most popular, that's why there is a lot of Samsung and iPhones in the streets... well mostly Samsung that is.
    05-11-2014 03:10 PM
  21. A895's Avatar
    The ads and TV commercials could help, but many times the problem starts in the carrier stores, most the staff of those stores only talks about how great is Samsung and Apple, and if you ask other options they will only mention HTC or LG... no WP at all. Many people rely too much on the seller "expertise" on phones and those sellers only suggest what is selling more or the most popular, that's why there is a lot of Samsung and iPhones in the streets... well mostly Samsung that is.
    Along with marketing they can push carrier employee training. They can get a rep out to corporate stores and teach carrier sales reps how to use WP. That can help.

    Sent from my XT907 using Mobile Nations mobile app
    05-11-2014 03:23 PM
  22. Fade_z's Avatar
    Maybe globally releasing a Phone within 3 months after announcement
    05-11-2014 03:26 PM
  23. A895's Avatar
    Maybe globally releasing a Phone within 3 months after announcement
    Try a month at the most. Wait 3 months, and the next thing you know some other device stole your thunder. I hope no WP gets announced in Fall because that is when:

    -Nexus 6 comes out

    -iPhone 6

    -Moto X+1

    -LG G3

    -Note 4 rumors

    There will be be so many competitor devices coming out that will steal all of Windows Phones steam. I can see if you are trying to vie for the holiday shopping season, but we all know everyone is going to be requesting the next iPhone, Galaxy, and whatever other Android device that is popular. They should get everything out now before September to catch the Back to School shopping.

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    05-11-2014 03:54 PM
  24. Fade_z's Avatar
    Try a month at the most. Wait 3 months, and the next thing you know some other device stole your thunder. I hope no WP gets announced in Fall because that is when:

    -Nexus 6 comes out

    -iPhone 6

    -Moto X+1

    -LG G3

    -Note 4 rumors

    There will be be so many competitor devices coming out that will steal all of Windows Phones steam. I can see if you are trying to vie for the holiday shopping season, but we all know everyone is going to be requesting the next iPhone, Galaxy, and whatever other Android device that is popular. They should get everything out now before September to catch the Back to School shopping.

    Sent from my XT907 using Mobile Nations mobile app
    That's why I said within, I understand that it can be logistically hard to globally do this but they should..
    And you can build aanticipation, depending on how you do it, 3 months is the absolute limit.
    So yes, within a month would be ideal :)

    That's the ****ty thing with the 930 right now, if it came on the market sooner alot more people would buy.
    Including me, my 920 could use a upgrade this year

    Also kinda holding back on what the devices division from Nokia will produce under MSFT.
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    05-11-2014 04:11 PM
  25. Harry Wild's Avatar
    I think Microsoft needs to step up and get some unlocked GSM LTE smartphones like that of the iPhone and Google Nexus smartphones that have all the U.S. carriers bands in one phone. Sell it on their website like their competitors. That what I been waiting for - an unlocked all carrier LTE WP8 smartphone. Outside the U.S.; it called "International Version" for EU and rest of the world.

    The legal smartphone exclusivity does not help matters since most buyers will not switch to a competing carrier just based on a smartphone model now a days. WP buyers like me cannot get an Icon to work on a T-Mobile account so I am locked out of the purchase. Nokia had the strategy which I think is completely wrong to depend on the carrier to push the model to potential buyers at their stores. Most salespeople are either iPhone or Galaxy fanboys. They just try to convert you to what they like! Plus, all the WP models are located either on the back side wall or some where that is hidden while iPhone and Galaxy are usually placed in the store front displays.
    05-12-2014 10:23 PM
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