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  1. anon(5445874)'s Avatar
    Because I'm not dumping in Google or YouTube I am PR.

    And yes you insinuated that it's hard for content creators to make money when in fact many actually do. Its depends in how much work you put in, just like any other job.

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    No, it's because it appears that you spend most of the day in this forum. Google doesn't need you to save them. And I did not insult people who make money on youtube. Earlier you was implying that youtube was cool because people can make money. I was simply pointing out that fact that only a small percent of content creators actually make money on youtube. Google is the one who's actually making all the money.
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    05-31-2014 02:47 PM
  2. auggie253's Avatar
    Google made apps for Firefox OS, who themselves have no market share.
    05-31-2014 03:09 PM
  3. A895's Avatar
    what if it happened to all my samsung products and everyone else who i know who also own samsung products which failed?they have had alot of complaints but they turn a deaf ear
    It still would be considered anecdotal. They sell millions of devices, unless they have a collective claim or file put against them, everything you experienced and the people around you experienced is anecdotal and isolated experiences.

    Even personally this it the first time I have ever heard of Samsung device failing.

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    05-31-2014 04:10 PM
  4. A895's Avatar
    No, it's because it appears that you spend most of the day in this forum. Google doesn't need you to save them. And I did not insult people who make money on youtube. Earlier you was implying that youtube was cool because people can make money. I was simply pointing out that fact that only a small percent of content creators actually make money on youtube. Google is the one who's actually making all the money.
    I don't spend most of the day in this forum and if I did and? Microsoft does not need you to save them either. That goes both ways. I don't come here to start problems, but FUD spreading is not something Ill let just spread around when it is not needed. That is misinformation when people come to the forums to learn and have logical discussions not see "Google sux and steals your data, Googles is evil etc".

    Like that's not even a logical discission. That's just ignorance. If content creators make money off of YouTube because they put in enough work, what's the problem? Google does not make all the money obviously.

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    05-31-2014 04:17 PM
  5. trivor's Avatar
    Contrary to what most consumers believe, Google isn't in the mobile OS business. Google is in the advertisement business. Android earns Google nothing. In fact, Android is just a huge hole into which Google sinks billions of engineering dollars annually with almost zero returns. The point is, it's not the end product (WP, iOS, Android) that defines what markets a company participates in, but where their revenue comes from (for Google that is internet/cloud/web based services)!

    The key realization is that MS and Google both compete with each other in the markets where they earn money. That is not true of Apple. Apple is a devices and media company. Their primary competitor is Samsung. Not Google. As far as Google is concerned, as long as their ability to collect information on consumer behaviour isn't hampered on Apple's devices, there is no reason not to get cozy with Apple.

    The opposite is true of MS. In the MS ecosystem, people tend to use services that are in direct competition with Google's. Worse yet, MS' ecosystem tends to cut off the channels Google uses to deliver advertising (Bing instead of Google search). That is Google's lifeline.

    Google would be stupid not to behave competitively towards MS and visa versa. Due to Android's relevance in the mobile space, Google gets to be the bully and MS the victim. MS would behave no differently if the tables were turned.
    It's very simple economics - Google doesn't want to help a competitor with minimal market share and iOS has such a large (and affluent) following that they choose to support Apple and not MS. Personally, I believe they are hurting themselves more than helping because they are excluding universal adoption of their services like Hangouts, Maps, Mail, etc. As for MS supporting iOS and Android they have no choice if they want to keep their services relevant (OneDrive, Skype, Outlook, etc.). To me that is the biggest problem for WP because as a user of both MS and Google services I get outstanding support for both on Android (Google Drive/OneDrive, Google Photos/OneDrive photo support, Skype, Outlook/GMail are all excellent apps) and does not require me to commit to either one and maximize my return on both.
    05-31-2014 04:54 PM
  6. anon(5445874)'s Avatar
    I don't spend most of the day in this forum and if I did and? Microsoft does not need you to save them either.
    I just show up once in a while to take a break from work. Every time there's more posts from you than I have time to read! Only read what I quoted, BUSY!
    05-31-2014 05:12 PM
  7. A895's Avatar
    It's very simple economics - Google doesn't want to help a competitor with minimal market share and iOS has such a large (and affluent) following that they choose to support Apple and not MS. Personally, I believe they are hurting themselves more than helping because they are excluding universal adoption of their services like Hangouts, Maps, Mail, etc. As for MS supporting iOS and Android they have no choice if they want to keep their services relevant (OneDrive, Skype, Outlook, etc.). To me that is the biggest problem for WP because as a user of both MS and Google services I get outstanding support for both on Android (Google Drive/OneDrive, Google Photos/OneDrive photo support, Skype, Outlook/GMail are all excellent apps) and does not require me to commit to either one and maximize my return on both.
    Same here. I use Microsoft and Google Services and Android allows me to use both extensively. I only wish I had an Xbox Video app and then I would be set.

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    05-31-2014 05:15 PM
  8. A895's Avatar
    I just show up once in a while to take a break from work. Every time there's more posts from you than I have time to read! Only read what I quoted, BUSY!
    ๐Ÿ‘๐Ÿ‘Œ

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    05-31-2014 05:20 PM
  9. BobLobIaw's Avatar
    No, it's because it appears that you spend most of the day in this forum. Google doesn't need you to save them. And I did not insult people who make money on youtube. Earlier you was implying that youtube was cool because people can make money. I was simply pointing out that fact that only a small percent of content creators actually make money on youtube. Google is the one who's actually making all the money.
    You nailed it. The intern posts all day long in a Windows Phone forum even though he has no Windows Phone, extolling the virtues of Google and Android and defending against any slightly negative comments directed toward them. In his world, everyone else's point here is an "opinion" based on a bias toward Microsoft, while he happens to spout "facts" that always happen to result in Google and Android farting roses. I've blocked the guy's posts and still can't get away from him because of all his trolling (oh wait, if it's "polite" it can't be trolling-yeah, right) that gets quoted by posters who take his bait. I can't wait until he gets bored and leaves or maybe his internship will end before the summer term starts.
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    05-31-2014 05:31 PM
  10. A895's Avatar
    You nailed it. The intern posts all day long in a Windows Phone forum even though he has no Windows Phone, extolling the virtues of Google and Android and defending against any slightly negative comments directed toward them.
    I use Microsoft services everyday and I own a Windows 8.1 convertible and a Xbox 360, these forums are for ALL Microsoft discussions.

    In his world, everyone else's point here is an "opinion" based on a bias toward Microsoft, while he happens to spout "facts" that always happen to result in Google and Android farting roses.
    So you admit facts are not what you want to see? You just want "Praise Microsoft, down with Apple/Nokia".

    I've blocked the guy's posts and still can't get away from him because of all his trolling (oh wait, if it's "polite" it can't be trolling-yeah, right) that gets quoted by posters who take his bait.
    Trolling? I have been on WPCentral longer than you have! Now I troll? That's rich coming from the same person who goes through my comment history and ends up in every thread I am in to call me a troll. You troll ME. Leave me ALONE
    05-31-2014 06:27 PM
  11. anon(5445874)'s Avatar
    I use Microsoft services everyday and I own a Windows 8.1 convertible and a Xbox 360, these forums are for ALL Microsoft discussions.


    So you admit facts are not what you want to see? You just want "Praise Microsoft, down with Apple/Nokia".



    Trolling? I have been on WPCentral longer than you have! Now I troll? That's rich coming from the same person who goes through my comment history and ends up in every thread I am in to call me a troll. You troll ME. Leave me ALONE
    What does the length of your membership have to do with anything?
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    05-31-2014 06:29 PM
  12. A895's Avatar
    What does the length of your membership have to do with anything?
    Because I have never trolled here in the almost 2 years I have been here. Not only that I was here reading WPCentral when a certain author was not even working at the Verge yet. I have no reason to Troll here. I have never gone around and said '"WP sux" or "Microsoft sux". The only thing I have been saying lately is how the perception of Google around here is skewed so heavily that no one wants to see actual facts. But no, no one wants to see how bias is heavy here. They just want to point fingers at me because I am the only one willing to speak up about how ludicrous it is that people can say such uninformed things.
    05-31-2014 06:46 PM
  13. BobLobIaw's Avatar
    Kev, I agree with you wholeheartedly. How long someone has been registered has nothing to do with making almost 500 posts in a month that are intended to antagonize Windows Phone users. Also, if he has been here longer than me then he must be a multi-accounter because the registration dates state otherwise. However, I am not going to say anything further because I will just get banned. I have reported my views to the moderator and will let them handle it. Peace.
    Last edited by BobLobIaw; 05-31-2014 at 07:10 PM.
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    05-31-2014 06:55 PM
  14. Jas00555's Avatar
    Because I have never trolled here in the almost 2 years I have been here. Not only that I was here reading WPCentral when a certain author was not even working at the Verge yet. I have no reason to Troll here. I have never gone around and said '"WP sux" or "Microsoft sux". The only thing I have been saying lately is how the perception of Google around here is skewed so heavily that no one wants to see actual facts. But no, no one wants to see how bias is heavy here. They just want to point fingers at me because I am the only one willing to speak up about how ludicrous it is that people can say such uninformed things.
    There's bias on every one of these forums. People at Crackberry think BlackBerry will rise to #1 again, people here thing Google is Satan, people on iMore think that Windows is nothing but BSOD and crappy hardware and people at Android Central have told me that Microsoft is the most evil, corrupted corporation on the planet and that they feel sorry that people put the blame on EA.
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    05-31-2014 06:57 PM
  15. A895's Avatar
    There's bias on every one of these forums. People at Crackberry think BlackBerry will rise to #1 again, people here thing Google is Satan, people on iMore think that Windows is nothing but BSOD and crappy hardware and people at Android Central have told me that Microsoft is the most evil, corrupted corporation on the planet and that they feel sorry that people put the blame on EA.
    I have never seen someone on Android Central say Microsoft was evil. Though I agree with your other points. Though I don't think it is a good idea to let biases taint the community.
    05-31-2014 07:03 PM
  16. Jas00555's Avatar
    I have never seen someone on Android Central say Microsoft was evil. Though I agree with your other points. Though I don't think it is a good idea to let biases taint the community.
    I think it was one of the open-source fans that trickle into AC that said it since (I'm assuming) he thinks that Microsoft still hates open source, but I'm just saying that you can't stop all biases and its hard to explain stuff to people who don't want to listen. Hell, just look at what usually happens to us on crackberry.
    05-31-2014 07:07 PM
  17. A895's Avatar
    I antagonize others? Interesting as when most of the posts of the past page are talking about how much of a troll I am, or how my credibility is. If anything I am personally attacked and I don't ever report it. I get antagonized and stalked and get called names like troll and then people report me? Is that how the community works around here?
    05-31-2014 07:07 PM
  18. anon(5445874)'s Avatar
    Because I have never trolled here in the almost 2 years I have been here. Not only that I was here reading WPCentral when a certain author was not even working at the Verge yet. I have no reason to Troll here. I have never gone around and said '"WP sux" or "Microsoft sux". The only thing I have been saying lately is how the perception of Google around here is skewed so heavily that no one wants to see actual facts. But no, no one wants to see how bias is heavy here. They just want to point fingers at me because I am the only one willing to speak up about how ludicrous it is that people can say such uninformed things.
    Trolling or not trolling, who cares? Some of us simply do not like Google. Why can't you just leave it at that? Arguing won't get you anywhere. NOBODY CARES that you like Google. You are not going to change our minds.
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    05-31-2014 07:22 PM
  19. A895's Avatar
    Trolling or not trolling, who cares? Some of us simply do not like Google. Why can't you just leave it at that? Arguing won't get you anywhere. NOBODY CARES that you like Google. You are not going to change our minds.
    I never said that I like Google. I actually don't like Google. I don't like any company. I may like some company's services but that is it. I didn't want anyone to change anyone's minds about anything! I was simply pointing out when things like personal anecdotes and misinformation go around. But that's fine. I am sorry for disturbing your bubble.
    05-31-2014 07:30 PM
  20. anon(5445874)'s Avatar
    I never said that I like Google. I actually don't like Google. I don't like any company. I may like some company's services but that is it. I didn't want anyone to change anyone's minds about anything! I was simply pointing out when things like personal anecdotes and misinformation go around. But that's fine. I am sorry for disturbing your bubble.
    My bubble is the strongest thing in existence, you cannot hurt it.
    05-31-2014 07:34 PM
  21. A895's Avatar
    My bubble is the strongest thing in existence, you cannot hurt it.
    Lol. I actually laughed at that.

    Off-Topic: It's funny how we reference things like bubbles or balls as being strong or having durability when in all actuality they are some of the weakest things on the planet. I wonder if it is an english thing?
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    05-31-2014 07:39 PM
  22. Ordeith's Avatar
    Like I give a fudge what Eric Schmidt thinks. He is only one person in Google, Google as a whole is not represented by him alone.

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    Like hell it isn't
    05-31-2014 08:00 PM
  23. A895's Avatar
    Like hell it isn't
    What do you mean? He is only Executive Chairman. Larry Page is the head honcho.
    05-31-2014 08:05 PM
  24. tgp's Avatar
    I frequent iMore, Android Central, and this forum. My perception is that there is a lot more trash talking of other platforms on this forum than on the others. There is a lot less tolerance here. WPCentral is even moderated differently.

    I believe that at least part of this comes from the feeling of being the underdog at the moment. But just wait; that could change soon! WPCentral might be laughing soon enough!

    I do somewhat agree with A895 though that the perception of Google is skewed here. If users here actually hated Google, why are they upset that Google won't bring their services to WP? I use a mixture of Microsoft & Google, selecting the hardware & services from each that suit me the most.
    A895 likes this.
    05-31-2014 08:14 PM
  25. A895's Avatar
    I frequent iMore, Android Central, and this forum. My perception is that there is a lot more trash talking of other platforms on this forum than on the others. There is a lot less tolerance here. WPCentral is even moderated differently.

    I believe that at least part of this comes from the feeling of being the underdog at the moment. But just wait; that could change soon! WPCentral might be laughing soon enough!

    I do somewhat agree with A895 though that the perception of Google is skewed here. If users here actually hated Google, why are they upset that Google won't bring their services to WP? I use a mixture of Microsoft & Google, selecting the hardware & services from each that suit me the most.
    I will go a step further and say CrackBerry members are heavily biased and skewed towards other platforms. They don't like any company outside of Blackberry yet love Android apps. Mention anything negative of BlackBerry and all hell breaks loose. It's a shame because BlackBerry was the platform that I actively tried to get last year (was at a T-Mobile store and they were taking my information down and everything), but it cost too much at the time for me to get it (they asked for over $250 because I have no credit history!). So I ended up staying on Android and I am glad I did because boy between August of last year and now, Android improved dramatically and it will take a lot for me to leave it now. Android is the best for having the best of all companies services in my opinion.

    Back On topic: I think the harsh reality is that Google may never give WP a fair shake because they are small enough to be ignored. Maybe next year? I don't know but for now, I can't see Google using the resources. Maybe if Microsoft is willing to work with them for some apps maybe.
    05-31-2014 08:41 PM
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