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  1. 12Danny123's Avatar
    If MS had a visionary CEO they'd buy up companies that research battery tech, screen tech, fingerprint sensor technology and so on. But they don't, so we'll be left with better "live tiles" and that's all.
    Satya is definitely not wasting time buying other companies. MS likely have their own tech to test this
    06-09-2014 02:12 AM
  2. tee74's Avatar
    damn rumors!!! dont get too excited guy.
    06-09-2014 03:28 AM
  3. davesannie's Avatar
    CPUs are FAST ENOUGH
    Screens are BIG ENOUGH
    Pixel density is GOOD ENOUGH

    Battery is BAD
    Weight is BAD (sometimes)
    Camera is BAD (or SLOW, sometimes)

    Improve the BAD things, after that -> play around with useless improvements!
    That is what you want, most people want specs although WP does not need that
    06-09-2014 04:16 AM
  4. wpgeek820's Avatar
    It's useless having a QHD display if there's not much content with QHD. I mean, youtube still streams 720p to our phones right? And not many wallpapers for your mobile lockscreen with such high res. My point is, although QHD is cool, and it's good to have it, the things around didn't quiet catch up. But hey, give it 2 years and we may have QHD as standard on all phones. The LG G3 has QHD display and I'm curious how it'll catch on.

    It's still cool to have such a high res display. Kudos to technology.
    06-09-2014 04:38 AM
  5. JamesPTao's Avatar
    I'm sorry, there's no phone that now can hold 2days or plus battery, 90% of them only holds up to 1 day of use, I don't see why you guys argue so much! damn

    Nokia has the best cameras, now when they're putting some even more killing screens with a better processor (people argued about snapdragon 800 on 930, because there's already a 801), and 3d technolgy, I just don't know what you guys want, for christ sake, I'm tired to enter this forum daily and see people arguing about a phone that may never exist, just stop arguing and accept the changes, they're AWESOME, better screen, 3d technology, better camera, better processor, faster graphics, christ sake, what do you want more? a phone that makes your food?!
    Agree overall very much. But have to mention the Symbian n8 my friend gets 2 days easy with it using it a lot, vidoes, GPS, Internet. The sad thing is that phone can do more than most new phones. And other things no current phone under ms, apple, or google can. Its like we've gone back or in many ways.
    Last edited by JamesPTao; 06-10-2014 at 01:00 AM.
    06-09-2014 04:40 AM
  6. psudotechzealot's Avatar
    Bad timing Microsoft, this should coming out around August or September not in November.
    06-09-2014 06:43 AM
  7. RaRa85's Avatar
    While I wish this phone was here sooner, November is the longest I am willing to wait for a flagship device on T-Mobile. As the rumors state, T-Mobile is supposed to be in the pipeline for getting this awesome beast. I'm excited! But if this turns out not to be the case I will most certainly be joining the Android family.
    06-09-2014 06:58 AM
  8. MDK22's Avatar
    You can have all your fingerprint sensors, QHD & 3D touch or whatever new gimmick comes along ...

    If it's 8PM and you need to check your updates, take (show) a picture, sync your email, etc. & your phone is damn near dead, what good is it. Battery life (w onboard storage / sdcard a close second) is the elephant in the room - one solid day (w/o compromises) of a high end (not necessarily the highest, say a 4 out of 5) spec'd phone will win the battle. So smartphone makers have some R&D / Development to go ...

    A phone (phablet) that gives you 24 hours of normal (18 of heavy) usage is the key here, because most of us shutdown daily to recharge - our bodies & our phones.
    06-09-2014 07:35 AM
  9. Infamy79's Avatar
    Let me explain it for the 100th time:

    - Microsoft Mobile can use the Nokia name for a period, yes. As long as they have the current Nokia phones with them. What Eflop means with the "period" is that, obviously, all Nokia devices until the 25th April will NOT be rebranded. The Nokia L1020 remains the Nokia L1020. And Microsoft CAN use the Nokia brand to promote the Nokia L1020. Same for all the other devices in the current portfolio.

    What Microsoft CAN'T do is use the Nokia brand on any other future Lumia devices. Meanwing, every smartphone that is presented and released AFTER the 25th of April can NOT use the Nokia brand anymore. So basically, the 930 will be the last Lumia to come with the Nokia branding in it. This Goldfinger along with any other Lumia, will be already released without the Nokia branding in them. IF there's ANY Nokia branding in the phone, that branding may be used in connection to PureView Cameras, since the PureView technology remains in the hands of Nokia.

    You will not see Goldfinger released under the Nokia brand. It will come under the Lumia brand and any other brand Microsoft decides to eventually use (Surface Lumia, Microsoft Lumia, Xbox Lumia, Lumia Bill, whatever). The camera *could* come with a Nokia logo next to it for PureView phones...but it's unlikely to happen since, if that happens, then Nokia will also be allowed to license the Nokia brand in any future Apple product that may use the PureView tech (which is now available for licensing...and remember Apple snatched a senior member of the ex-Nokia D&S PureView team). And the deal stated that Nokia can't lend its brand to smartphones until 31st December 2015. The terms of the deal are a bit vague but in any case, if they can't lend to anyone, "anyone" includes Microsoft.
    While I believe what you have stated was the terms of the original deal when it was announced that Microsoft was buying Nokia, I think this may have changed. At the time of the announcement it was said that Microsoft could only use the Nokia name on feature phones, however at the time the deal closed and a number of amendments to the original deal were made such as the factory issue in India, they came out and said the Microsoft had licensed the Nokia name for smartphones for a limited period of time also.

    I don't think you should be stating things as fact when things are not so clear after more recent evidence and are very likely to have changed from the original announcement. Pretty sure the PureView team moved over to Microsoft too as they bought all the device manufacturing departments and patents.
    06-09-2014 08:01 AM
  10. Pepe D Vegas's Avatar
    Infamy you are correct. Besides I really dont get why some try to bring up a phone name in a negative. As if there is something wrong with the nokia name being used. Usually in sales the purchasers always buy the rights for a period of time to help smoothly transfer over, its no biggie I actually like the nokia name.
    06-09-2014 08:19 AM
  11. DJCBS's Avatar
    While I believe what you have stated was the terms of the original deal when it was announced that Microsoft was buying Nokia, I think this may have changed. At the time of the announcement it was said that Microsoft could only use the Nokia name on feature phones, however at the time the deal closed and a number of amendments to the original deal were made such as the factory issue in India, they came out and said the Microsoft had licensed the Nokia name for smartphones for a limited period of time also.

    I don't think you should be stating things as fact when things are not so clear after more recent evidence and are very likely to have changed from the original announcement. Pretty sure the PureView team moved over to Microsoft too as they bought all the device manufacturing departments and patents.
    You have almost everything wrong, my friend ;)
    The deal wasn't changed in what the use of the Nokia brand on Lumia devices is concerned. The only thing added was the Nokia X family of devices. So basically they can use the Nokia name on S30 phones (dumbphones), S40 phones (Asha phones) and Nokia X phones. That's it. No further alterations where made. The social network teams were saying that until the Q&A. Then it was made pretty clear that the Nokia brand wouldn't be used for much longer on Lumia devices, which is in line with the terms of the deal: it can be used on current devices, not on future ones.
    The PureView team that was part of the D&S division was moved to Microsoft Mobile (well...the part of the team that accepted to move, that is). But the R&D of the PureView technology wasn't made only by those guys at the D&S division. A few others remained at Nokia within the Technologies division because Nokia will continue to develop those technologies for licensing and eventual use on their own future devices and services.

    Also, Microsoft hasn't bought ANY patent. NOT ONE. They bought phone design "patents" (which aren't real patents but more "copyrights") and they LICENSED the patents needed to manufacture the phones. Meaning, Nokia retains ALL the patents. ALL. And they licensed them to Microsoft in a NON-exclusive agreement. Which means, any other OEM can license the exact same patents from Nokia and produce a phone with exactly the same technologies that Microsoft uses.

    The only way Microsoft has to prevent other OEMs from releasing carbon-copies of their phones is by using in them technologies developed by Microsoft's own R&D department. The 3D kinect gimmicks is a good example of that.
    06-09-2014 09:14 AM
  12. Huime's Avatar
    iPhone competitors can't equal battery/weight/camera so they ramp up specs on useless things like 400+ppi displays, 5-6" screen size and other useless gimmicks. Is it any wonder the iPhone 5S is far and away the best selling phone in the world?
    Lets see, I5 has:

    CPU: can't tell, because no one can make better S/W H/W integration than they do until today.
    Screen: well I guess you agree
    Pixel: Its a shame today

    Battery: Just as bad as any flagships out there.
    Weight: have less h/w with the same dreadful battery, nothing to judge.
    Camera: If you like blue hue then yes, the best auto mode till today.

    Apple improved non of those above. They just have the brand power that no one has.
    06-09-2014 10:35 AM
  13. Indistinguishable's Avatar
    If MS had a visionary CEO they'd buy up companies that research battery tech, screen tech, fingerprint sensor technology and so on. But they don't, so we'll be left with better "live tiles" and that's all.
    Clearly, WPCentral poster, "smoledman" would make a better Microsoft CEO than Satya Nadella. What was the board thinking?!
    06-09-2014 11:04 AM
  14. xandros9's Avatar
    Clearly, WPCentral poster, "smoledman" would make a better Microsoft CEO than Satya Nadella. What was the board thinking?!
    As HP's board has illustrated with the Apothekalypse, we can never tell.
    06-09-2014 11:21 AM
  15. Beijendorf's Avatar
    [Huge section of DJCBS being condescending towards others for being "incorrect", while he himself is incorrect.]
    Microsoft have the rights to use the Nokia brand name on the Lumia smartphones for a limited time. I can't find any reports on the details, but it's likely less than the 10 years they can use it on the S30 and S40-lines. This has been reported repeatedly, and was part of the deal. This was not only said by Stephen Elops himself, but has also been reported by the Nokia Twitter account:

    “We’ll continue with Nokia-branded products, as Microsoft has licensed the Nokia brand for some time”

    In a follow up question regarding Lumia devices specifically, @Nokia answered:

    “Yes. Lumia, Asha and Nokia X ranges”



    What you're probably thinking about are the reports that Microsoft hasn't yet decided on a device branding going forward from that. But they are fully permitted to use the Nokia name on both old and new devices in the Asha, X and Lumia series of phones.

    "That business group, which will oversee the former Nokia portfolio and other devices, is called Microsoft Devices Group. For now, the mobile devices acquired in the deal will continue to be branded Nokia. A branding decision will be made later."
    Final Details Before Microsoft/Nokia Closing - Forbes

    And the deal stated that Nokia can't lend its brand to smartphones until 31st December 2015. The terms of the deal are a bit vague but in any case, if they can't lend to anyone, "anyone" includes Microsoft.
    You'd need to cite the exact section of the deal for that, because I hardly think they worded a multi-billion dollar deal that vaguely.
    And on top of that, Microsoft wouldn't shoot themselves in the foot by limiting themselves with the usage of a well-recognized brand. For more details, look at the above quotes and citations. The limitations you speak of here is the limitation on Nokia not to sell smartphones until 2016.
    Last edited by Beijendorf; 06-09-2014 at 12:01 PM.
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    06-09-2014 11:50 AM
  16. Silviu Bogusevschi's Avatar
    I'm more intrigued about the GDRs for WP 8.1 rather than the device itself.
    06-09-2014 02:01 PM
  17. Reebs Reebs's Avatar
    I love it. 5.2 is the perfect size I think. Don't really care about resolution beyond 1080P and will take battery length over it. However, if the battery life is fixed at the OS level, and the CPU is battery efficient, I would love to have it. I just hope it gets more than 24 hours of battery life and I'm buying this phone. Perfect for me.
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    06-09-2014 02:20 PM
  18. Diavke's Avatar
    I really don't understand why yall are ******** like little girls about the weight? If you want "low weight" go ahead and take that plastic samsung galaxy. If you want quality built and feeling that you ACTUALLY hold a phone in your hand, Nokia is your best choice. 180g+ seems fine for 5.2 inch.
    06-09-2014 02:22 PM
  19. dameon_03's Avatar
    ill wait for official spec. if this phone has a 5"+ screen and an sd card slot and is being released later this year. they will have my attention.
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    06-09-2014 03:12 PM
  20. DJCBS's Avatar
    Microsoft have the rights to use the Nokia brand name on the Lumia smartphones for a limited time. I can't find any reports on the details, but it's likely less than the 10 years they can use it on the S30 and S40-lines. This has been reported repeatedly, and was part of the deal. This was not only said by Stephen Elops himself, but has also been reported by the Nokia Twitter account:

    “We’ll continue with Nokia-branded products, as Microsoft has licensed the Nokia brand for some time”

    In a follow up question regarding Lumia devices specifically, @Nokia answered:

    “Yes. Lumia, Asha and Nokia X ranges”



    What you're probably thinking about are the reports that Microsoft hasn't yet decided on a device branding going forward from that. But they are fully permitted to use the Nokia name on both old and new devices in the Asha, X and Lumia series of phones.

    "That business group, which will oversee the former Nokia portfolio and other devices, is called Microsoft Devices Group. For now, the mobile devices acquired in the deal will continue to be branded Nokia. A branding decision will be made later."
    Final Details Before Microsoft/Nokia Closing - Forbes

    You'd need to cite the exact section of the deal for that, because I hardly think they worded a multi-billion dollar deal that vaguely.
    And on top of that, Microsoft wouldn't shoot themselves in the foot by limiting themselves with the usage of a well-recognized brand. For more details, look at the above quotes and citations. The limitations you speak of here is the limitation on Nokia not to sell smartphones until 2016.

    If you prefer I can not condescend and just call you by the appropriate adjective. Except it would probably be censored around here.
    But let me elucidate you one again. Condescendingly, I'll explain it again.


    1 - Nokia's social network teams got the wrong info. That often happens with these things, specially when the social network employees aren't neither lawyers nor people connected with the governance of a company. They mixed the license that Microsoft has for S30 and S40 devices with a license for the Lumia line.
    Not only they stopped quickly stopped giving that erroneous information, the wrong information was corrected in the Q&A by He-Who-Shall-Not-Be-Named when he said "Nokia as a brand will not be used for long going forward for smartphones." This is corporate talk for "we'll keep using it in all the current Lumia devices and in promotion materials for current and to-be-released devices (630 and 930) but after that we'll replace it with another brand". He then said that Microsoft was working on a new brand for the phones that would be easier than, and quote, "Nokia Lumia 1020 with Windows Phone on the AT&T LTE Network".

    No, Microsoft did NOT license the Nokia brand to use on Lumia devices. They didn't licensed that in the deal and they didn't licensed it in an amendment to the deal.

    Microsoft will use the Nokia brand in S30, S40 and X mobile devices. They will not use it on Lumia devices. They can't and they didn't bother to get a license for it after the original deal either. He answered it, you're probably just not smart enough to read what he said between the lines.
    Yes, Microsoft was dumb enough to not get the Nokia brand to use in smartphones going forward. I've criticized that since the announcement of the deal. They will be able to use the Nokia brand on the current products that were still presented by Nokia and then transferred to Microsoft Mobile, like the Nokia L630 and the L930, but they won't use it on future devices.

    2 - Page 28, 2nd paragraph of the terms of the deal:

    Nokia will continue to own and maintain the Nokia brand. Microsoft has also agreed to a 10 year license arrangement with Nokia to use the Nokia brand on current and subsequently developed Mobile Phones products based on the Series 30 and Series 40 operating systems. After the Closing, Nokia would be restricted from licensing the Nokia brand for use in connection with mobile device sales for 30 months and from using the Nokia brand on Nokia’s own mobile devices until December 31, 2015.

    Since we're at it:

    3 - Regarding patents: "After the Closing, we will retain all of our patents and patent applications worldwide, provided that certain registered design rights that are specific to the D&S Business will be included in the assets transferred to Microsoft". (page 28, 1st paragraph).


    Source: http://company.nokia.com/sites/defau...-materials.pdf

    If after this you STILL don't understand the deal, then I'm afraid that's a cognitive problem on your part and I can't do anything else.
    06-09-2014 03:50 PM
  21. anon(5969054)'s Avatar
    So this device was previously named goldfinger right?
    06-09-2014 04:22 PM
  22. meddyrainzo's Avatar
    ill wait for official spec. if this phone has a 5"+ screen and an sd card slot and is being released later this year. they will have my attention.
    5" : You have my attention
    5.5 - 6" : You have my money
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    06-09-2014 04:35 PM
  23. AngrySprintUser's Avatar
    One of the best phones I've ever had was the HTC Evo 4G. It was such a great phone to use, but it also had one of the worst battery lives I've seen on a phone. That phone could barely last half a day and that is what essentially made me switch phones. Battery life is pretty important. I don't know if they can get two days out of a phone yet, but if it can at least make it through the day, then I'm ok.
    06-09-2014 04:53 PM
  24. AngrySprintUser's Avatar
    I really don't understand why yall are ******** like little girls about the weight? If you want "low weight" go ahead and take that plastic samsung galaxy. If you want quality built and feeling that you ACTUALLY hold a phone in your hand, Nokia is your best choice. 180g+ seems fine for 5.2 inch.
    Exactly there's a Samsung Ativ SE out there for those that want a feather weighted WP. I would prefer the quality build of the Lumia 920 vs a Galaxy Phone. I have the Ativ S Neo and I have to use a case because the thing is so fragile. Anyone I know with a Lumia doesn't bother using a case because the phone is so tough.

    It's so pointless as well. You get a light weight phone, you're just going to end up having to get a case for it anyway thus making it bulky.
    06-09-2014 04:56 PM
  25. TechFreak1's Avatar
    In all honesty higher specced phone is easier to sell as the general perception is the bigger the numbers the better the device. The only line that is not crossed by many is what is physically viable i.e. the 1520 its an amazing phone but not everyone will get it because of the size.

    Also in reality you have to consider the difference of usage habits between people, hence why some people who don't do much with their phone will feel their phone lasts longer on a single charge whereas on the other hand a user who is on their phone constantly will feel it doesn't last long enough on a single charge.

    Furthermore not many will be able tell the difference between a 4k display and 1080 display on a 5" phone but due to the "placebo effect" the general public will automatically deem the 4k screen looks better and the 1080p display looks "crap" in comparison (if told the resolution). Also the price plays a deciding factor to some people, "oh its expensive, so therefore it must be good".

    In regards to this phone, damn this phone better be real as we seriously need a global hero phone and not another US exclusive :P.
    06-09-2014 05:18 PM
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