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  1. anony_mouse's Avatar
    Google is trying to kill WP, so they don't support the platform. If WP grows enough they will have to support it.

    Google has supported iOS as good or even better than Android since the beginning and that only made Android stronger.

    Google Now already is in iOS.
    Btw, Google Now is also available on Windows. It's part of the Chrome browser.
    06-14-2014 02:20 PM
  2. Jonnie LasVegas's Avatar
    Google is trying to kill WP, so they don't support the platform. If WP grows enough they will have to support it.

    Google has supported iOS as good or even better than Android since the beginning and that only made Android stronger.

    Google Now already is in iOS.
    This is Microsoft's problem, always trying, miserably I might add, to copy whoever is popular. Instead of innovating they say "Oh, Apple is doing this, let's do that too! Oh Google is beating them now, let's do what they're doing. It hasn't worked out too well for them, as of late. Maybe they should stop focusing so much on the lame cloud and focus on supporting each others divisions better. I know, it's Microsoft we're talking about here, the "Civil War" company. They'll never support each other, just Apple and Google.
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    06-14-2014 02:34 PM
  3. luismfarelo's Avatar
    Well RIP Windows Phone... Microsoft is going the way of Blackberry... Today I couldn't even share photos to Facebook on my WP, this whole app situation is pathetic, and now Microsoft giving Cortana to iOS and Android, selling Android X devices. I will be jumping ship soon, MS clearly has no strategy.
    James8561 and smoledman like this.
    06-14-2014 02:57 PM
  4. xandros9's Avatar
    Well RIP Windows Phone... Microsoft is going the way of Blackberry... Today I couldn't even share photos to Facebook on my WP, this whole app situation is pathetic, and now Microsoft giving Cortana to iOS and Android, selling Android X devices. I will be jumping ship soon, MS clearly has no strategy.
    Use Facebook app, post photo, voila. I dont see whats wrong.
    MS is CONSIDERING sending Cortana places, and they have explained the pros and cons I believe.
    The Nokia X (NOT "Android X") devices are even lower end and aren't exactly flagships.

    I don't know if i like it, but MS might be looking at the big picture too much.

    Goodbye!
    12Danny123 likes this.
    06-14-2014 03:08 PM
  5. 12Danny123's Avatar
    Wow this forums is clearly in ruins. :/

    I remember when this forums was VERY active and happy. But..... opposite now.

    Sucks for the Wpcentral website
    Last edited by 12Danny123; 06-14-2014 at 03:38 PM.
    06-14-2014 03:19 PM
  6. Cleavitt76's Avatar
    There is so much FUD and drama in this thread it is crazy. So many of you are upset about a hypothetical discussion. I don't know how some of you cope with real problems in life if you get this upset about this situation. Get a grip.

    The MS developer didn't say that there are plans for Cortana on iOS or Android. He didn't even say it was likely. He was just talking philosophically about whether Cortana should be considered a service, product, or ecosystem/OS feature. Then he talked about some of the pros and cons of each of those models and how they might affect the overall experience. He was basically just talking out loud and very informally (this was recorded on someone's cell phone for god's sake) about some of the things that might need to be considered down the road. He also said very clearly that Windows Phone, Windows, and Xbox are by far the highest priority.

    I really wouldn't worry too much about it. I have doubts that it's even possible to get a full Windows Phone like Cortana experience on iOS or Android. For Cortana to be intelligent enough to be useful she needs to be tied into a lot of different things. In other words, Cortana really needs lower level access than what a third party app can do. She needs to be incorporated into the OS to be efficient and to really shine. Apple and Google are not going to help add Cortana into their OSes and I doubt that level of integration will be possible as an app (especially on iOS). For example, Google Now on iOS can't run in the background so it's much more limited in what it knows and what it can do. You basically have to open it, feed it information, and ask it questions. That makes it more like a somewhat customized search engine than a digital personal assistant. That is not the same experience as having Cortana learn things on her own and tell you things without you asking or even having the app open. It would be the difference between an app that lets you "remotely access" Cortana vs. having Cortana "living in your phone."
    06-14-2014 04:13 PM
  7. smoledman's Avatar
    Well RIP Windows Phone... Microsoft is going the way of Blackberry... Today I couldn't even share photos to Facebook on my WP, this whole app situation is pathetic, and now Microsoft giving Cortana to iOS and Android, selling Android X devices. I will be jumping ship soon, MS clearly has no strategy.
    What are you waiting for? iPhones, Galaxies and G3s await...
    06-14-2014 04:21 PM
  8. theefman's Avatar
    Btw, Google Now is also available on Windows. It's part of the Chrome browser.

    How does that count, you have to use their browser first to get that feature. Are RT users able to install chrome? Completely different than releasing it as a standalone app or a service that can be installed.
    06-14-2014 04:39 PM
  9. James8561's Avatar
    ^hm reading your dissertation makes me feel calmer.
    I was burning Microsoft yesterday in WPC comments :P
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    06-14-2014 04:40 PM
  10. luismfarelo's Avatar
    Use Facebook app, post photo, voila. I dont see whats wrong.
    MS is CONSIDERING sending Cortana places, and they have explained the pros and cons I believe.
    The Nokia X (NOT "Android X") devices are even lower end and aren't exactly flagships.

    I don't know if i like it, but MS might be looking at the big picture too much.

    Goodbye!
    I would post the photo, if I could, the app crashes, could only post to Instagram which even being Beta is better than this lame excuse of Facebook app developed by MS.
    But thanks anyway for your response, it was enlightening
    06-14-2014 04:58 PM
  11. 12Danny123's Avatar
    I would post the photo, if I could, the app crashes, could only post to Instagram which even being Beta is better than this lame excuse of Facebook app developed by MS.
    But thanks anyway for your response, it was enlightening
    Actually. The next update for Facebook is going to be developed by Facebook themselves with also MS. So I'm all good with that. But I have no doubt that the Facebook app is much faster than the ones on IOS and Android and more familiar
    luismfarelo likes this.
    06-14-2014 05:02 PM
  12. luismfarelo's Avatar
    What are you waiting for? iPhones, Galaxies and G3s await...
    These devices will await lots of discontent WP users if MS doesn't get their s**t together. I love the simplicity of WP and the Live Tiles, but clearly WP is just an afterthought for MS, I understand we don't get to have Google apps, but now even MS apps are better on competing platforms. And what's with this Nokia X strategy? The Nokia X should be an entry level device below the Lumias but in Europe it's selling for more than the Lumia 520. What's the logic in this? Clearly MS doesn't have much faith in WP striving and is making a plan B, this could be good for MS, but not for WP, why are we even supporting this platform then? Just my two cents.
    06-14-2014 05:07 PM
  13. ortizang's Avatar
    Well it doesn't matter.
    06-14-2014 05:12 PM
  14. anony_mouse's Avatar
    How does that count, you have to use their browser first to get that feature. Are RT users able to install chrome? Completely different than releasing it as a standalone app or a service that can be installed.
    I'm not sure what your point is. How does it count as what? As far as I know, Chrome is not available for Windows RT, but I'm no expert and I have absolutely no idea why you are asking the question.
    You have to install Chrome on your PC to use Google Now, as it's built into the executable. It's not (just) a webpage and will not work in other browsers.
    For your further information, Google Now is also available on iOS. It's part of the Google Search app. I hope this fact doesn't make you as angry as my last post did.
    06-14-2014 05:15 PM
  15. falconrap's Avatar
    I don't personally think Cortana will be on the other mobile OS's anytime soon for various reasons, mostly technical, legal, and due to competition. I do believe MS needs to watch what they say, and they need to focus everything on their OS's and accompanying services. If they make the mistake of going all in on services without the historical push for the OS, then they are doomed. Why? Because services can be duplicated and implemented much easier than an OS. If Android ends up being the OS that is used for everything, like Windows has been, then MS will loose the platform tie-in that has historically allowed them to dominate in the OS, Office, and IT services arenas. All it would take in the future is for one company to come up with a much more compelling set of services than MS and they could easily win market share if the OS is not part of the equation.

    MS needs to push WP far, far more than they are currently. It needs to be their primary focus, and it needs to have the services FIRST, and it needs to offer more features and better integration of those services than what is offered on competing platforms. If they don't do this, then they will never gain more than a marginal mobile OS share, and this will also greatly impact usage of Windows on PC's and Tablets (more so the latter than the former). Cortana alone isn't going to win WP converts. Cortana with a great Office experience, superior enterprise/business support, a better and highly integrated Skype, and other features that are exclusive to WP, however, would. WP needs to have a number of key advantages that, when combined, offer a significant advantage over iOS and Android for users in countries where MS is still having a hard time breaking through, especially the US. It's about the platform in total, not just a couple of wow bang features.
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    06-14-2014 05:25 PM
  16. 12Danny123's Avatar
    I don't personally think Cortana will be on the other mobile OS's anytime soon for various reasons, mostly technical, legal, and due to competition. I do believe MS needs to watch what they say, and they need to focus everything on their OS's and accompanying services. If they make the mistake of going all in on services without the historical push for the OS, then they are doomed. Why? Because services can be duplicated and implemented much easier than an OS. If Android ends up being the OS that is used for everything, like Windows has been, then MS will loose the platform tie-in that has historically allowed them to dominate in the OS, Office, and IT services arenas. All it would take in the future is for one company to come up with a much more compelling set of services than MS and they could easily win market share if the OS is not part of the equation.

    MS needs to push WP far, far more than they are currently. It needs to be their primary focus, and it needs to have the services FIRST, and it needs to offer more features and better integration of those services than what is offered on competing platforms. If they don't do this, then they will never gain more than a marginal mobile OS share, and this will also greatly impact usage of Windows on PC's and Tablets (more so the latter than the former). Cortana alone isn't going to win WP converts. Cortana with a great Office experience, superior enterprise/business support, a better and highly integrated Skype, and other features that are exclusive to WP, however, would. WP needs to have a number of key advantages that, when combined, offer a significant advantage over iOS and Android for users in countries where MS is still having a hard time breaking through, especially the US. It's about the platform in total, not just a couple of wow bang features.
    Agreed. Right now. While Microsoft is a software company. They did say that their first priority is to get WP8.1 into customers hands and OEMs. Which is working pretty well
    06-14-2014 05:29 PM
  17. rodan01's Avatar
    Falconrap,



    There are many excellent free and open source operating systems. So, there is no value there. The value is in the ecosystem, and WP already lost the battle there.
    They have to make profitable the services. Without services Windows Phone would die.
    06-14-2014 05:46 PM
  18. a5cent's Avatar
    They have to make profitable the services. Without services Windows Phone would die.
    Except their services aren't profitable either. Office 365 is the only exception I'm aware of. AFAIK all other services are big money losers, and that isn't expected to change anytime soon.
    06-14-2014 06:05 PM
  19. 12Danny123's Avatar
    Except their services aren't profitable either. Office 365 is the only exception I'm aware of. AFAIK all other services are big money losers, and that isn't expected to change anytime soon.
    No. Online services is also getting MS profit. Bing and other online services is no longer the money loser that people say. Since Microsoft is using advertisement to pay it of
    06-14-2014 06:09 PM
  20. Visa Declined's Avatar
    Marcus Ash, the guy in the video talking about the possibility of bringing Cortana to iOS and Android posted a message in the comments section of the original article.
    06-14-2014 06:25 PM
  21. a5cent's Avatar
    No. Online services is also getting MS profit. Bing and other online services is no longer the money loser that people say. Since Microsoft is using advertisement to pay it of
    Have you got anything official supporting that? The last time I looked at official numbers none of their services were profitable.
    06-14-2014 06:31 PM
  22. smoledman's Avatar
    Marcus Ash, the guy in the video talking about the possibility of bringing Cortana to iOS and Android posted a message in the comments section of the original article.
    So basically what he said is Cortana is only coming to Windows in fall 2015 and XBox in 2016. FAIL!!!
    06-14-2014 08:19 PM
  23. falconrap's Avatar
    Falconrap,



    There are many excellent free and open source operating systems. So, there is no value there. The value is in the ecosystem, and WP already lost the battle there.
    They have to make profitable the services. Without services Windows Phone would die.
    Open source OS's mostly suck compared to Windows. Maybe not for techies, but the average user wants no part of them (Android isn't really open source...at least not totally, save the non-Google fork that is losing pretty much all the key services from it). I've been through DOS, Win3.x, OS/2 2.x - Warp 4 (still one of the best operating systems to ever grace the planet), and all the Windows versions since. It's the combination of the OS and the ecosystem available for it. Which is my argument. MS needs to have the services, apps, and features that make its OS stand out, and, subsequently, lock people into that OS's ecosystem. If they keep providing their stuff for the other OS's, then their own ecosystem/OS combination provides no advantage.

    Remember, there is no ecosystem without the OS to run it. And without an ecosystem that compels people to use it, via features and apps only available on it, there is no growth with it. MS needs to turn this around. They have the ability, they just need to stop taking the short term outlook on using iOS and Android to keep their services at the top, and, instead, push Windows and WP as the place you can get the top features and apps the MS has.
    06-14-2014 08:22 PM
  24. mjrtoo's Avatar
    So this thread is dead now...
    06-14-2014 08:30 PM
  25. rodan01's Avatar
    Android, Tizen, Firefox OS, Sailfish, Ubuntu, BB10 (not free but cheap).

    There are many good operating system. The cost of developing an OS is insignificant compared with the investment that third party developers do building apps.



    This is a very different world compared to the ancient times. The OS is irrelevant, apps, services and brand is everything. People don't care about the OS, in fact switching from iOS to Android or the other way is easy.

    Even if Microsoft sells all their assets and spend all the money in WP they wouldn't get all the apps.
    06-14-2014 08:38 PM
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