06-24-2014 09:16 AM
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  1. fatclue_98's Avatar
    Agreed, I'm completely befuddled by how attached people are to the old Start Menu. I've always thought it was one of the worst parts of Windows. Such a convoluted menu system of endless cascading folders.
    You just dropped the hammer on every numb-nut who complained about Windows Mobile and its endless parade of submenus. The same people who now wax poetically about live tiles on their phones and at the same time bemoan the loss of the start menu on their desktops. Thank you! I'll let you catch the grief for a while now.


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    06-21-2014 12:06 PM
  2. fatclue_98's Avatar
    I rarely used the start menu in Windows 7. I had everything I used frequently pinned to the taskbar.
    A trick I learned from OS X.


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    06-21-2014 12:09 PM
  3. Laura Knotek's Avatar
    A trick I learned from OS X.


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    I've never used OS X, but I like a clean looking desktop. My taskbar auto hides. I have nothing on my desktop, not even the recycle bin.
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    06-21-2014 12:11 PM
  4. Vitor Salvatore Pierce's Avatar
    I rarely used the start menu in Windows 7. I had everything I used frequently pinned to the taskbar.
    Yeah. Is like the people have 100000 apps!
    I open Opera (IE isn't good on Scroll and Chrome... well, is Chrome), open Spotify, and some apps of Adobe Suite, Visual Studio, Vuze. Just that.
    It's not like I open multiple programs every minute. 'Cause the old start have just this utility. Now the new start, I can see my notifications and can see everything that is important, and pin apps that I use most.
    How can the new star menu be more bad than the old one?
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    06-21-2014 01:06 PM
  5. rodan01's Avatar
    At the end of the 90s Microsoft panicked with the rise of the web. The idea at that time was that the web was going to eat everything (chromebooks?), and Microsoft didn't even have a browser.

    So, the took they best guys and formed an elite team to save Windows from a major threat. This team was so successful that not only destroyed Netscape reaching over 98% of browser market share, they also developed the tech for the modern web, that Google used to build Gmail many years later.

    I think this outstanding victory produced overconfidence in MS. They decided to stop the development of IE, so the dropped web as an application platform and concentrated all their resources in this ambitious Longhorn project that not only aimed to introduce a lot of new features into the OS, they wanted to build a new superior Web based on Windows and .Net.

    While Microsoft dedicated all their resources to their pharaonic endeavors, Netscape became the open source Mozilla, Google developed their services, Apple developed OS X and their consumer oriented devices, the development of iOS and Android started in 2003- 2004.



    If Longhorn would have succeeded Microsoft would dominate completely the tech world. But it failed not only because of the complexity of the code, their competitors modified the landscape through innovation, now Microsoft is a follower.



    Edit: I or tapatalk only posted a half.
    Last edited by rodan01; 06-21-2014 at 04:26 PM.
    06-21-2014 03:29 PM
  6. Laura Knotek's Avatar
    Microsoft panicked with the rise of the web at the end of the 90s. The idea at that time was that the web was going to eat everything (chromebooks?) and Microsoft didn't have a browser.
    So they got their top guys and form a team to save MS from the web thread.
    That team did such a great job that they introduced most of the tech that is the base of the modern web.
    But when MS destroyed Netscape reaching over 98% of market share, I think they
    I believe this memo from Bill Gates is what you are referring to. http://www.justice.gov/atr/cases/exhibits/20.pdf
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    06-21-2014 03:35 PM
  7. rodan01's Avatar
    I was referring to an article published in wmpoweruser or maybe microsoft-news, written by a former MS engineer. I don't have the link.



    There is also a video in channel 9 in which, Michael Wallent (at that time), explain these things. Her name now is Megan Wallent.
    06-21-2014 05:06 PM
  8. fatclue_98's Avatar
    I was referring to an article published in wmpoweruser or maybe microsoft-news, written by a former MS engineer. I don't have the link.


    There is also a video in channel 9 in which, Michael Wallent (at that time), explain these things. Her name now is Megan Wallent.
    I've been scratching my head trying to figure out why you thought it was necessary to mention this person's transgender status. Why didn't you go ahead and post this person's address, bra size and how big his **** used to be? Major uncool dude.
    06-21-2014 09:16 PM
  9. rdubmu's Avatar
    Microsoft has ruled the computer world in the 90's right up until Mac OS X came out. Until that point, they called the shots, they decided what was good and bad. IE was the most liked browser in comparison to Netscape and AOL.

    Then Apple released Mac OS X. For the first time, an OS wasn't just useful, it was beautiful. Shortly before, Apple started releasing computer with colours, moking their beige PC counterparts.

    During that time, Microsoft released Windows XP which, at the beginning, got a lot of hatred. Then they got working on Windows Longhorn which was supposed to be XP's successor. But when they saw how popular Mac was becoming, they scrapped it and started from scratch which made Vista come out 5 years after XP... and fully slowed down and buggy.

    .
    What is the marketshare of MACs? Windows still owns 90%+ of the marketshare.

    The only thing popular and superior about Apple products are iPhones, iPads and iPods.

    (typed from a 2011 iMAC), Windows has always blown Macs out of the water, Windows 8.1 is much better than MAC osX "IMHO" ( I own both MACs, iOS devices, windows phones and Windows devices)
    06-21-2014 10:08 PM
  10. fatclue_98's Avatar
    What is the marketshare of MACs? Windows still owns 90%+ of the marketshare.

    The only thing popular and superior about Apple products are iPhones, iPads and iPods.

    (typed from a 2011 iMAC), Windows has always blown Macs out of the water, Windows 8.1 is much better than MAC osX "IMHO" ( I own both MACs, iOS devices, windows phones and Windows devices)
    Not always. Windows overtook OSX starting with W7.


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    06-21-2014 11:42 PM
  11. Vitor Salvatore Pierce's Avatar
    I like OS X (but I like the live tiles most), but here in Brazil is very expensive...
    MacBook cost here more then 9k dollars

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    06-22-2014 05:32 AM
  12. spaulagain's Avatar
    Not always. Windows overtook OSX starting with W7.


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    Huh? Windows has always dominated Mac since the mid nineties...

    http://arstechnica.com/features/2005/12/total-share/9/

    OSX helped Mac but it never gained significant marker share. Only recently has it shown a little more market share.
    06-22-2014 12:38 PM
  13. fatclue_98's Avatar
    Huh? Windows has always dominated Mac since the mid nineties...

    Total share: 30 years of personal computer market share figures | Ars Technica

    OSX helped Mac but it never gained significant marker share. Only recently has it shown a little more market share.
    We were talking about desktop UI, not market share. OSX was much nicer than XP and my comment was about Windows 7 and its auto-hide dock, Aero, pinning apps to the taskbar,etc.
    06-22-2014 01:55 PM
  14. spaulagain's Avatar
    We were talking about desktop UI, not market share. OSX was much nicer than XP and my comment was about Windows 7 and its auto-hide dock, Aero, pinning apps to the taskbar,etc.
    Oh yes, OSX was much better. In some ways still better than W7. I can't believe Microsoft hasn't added workspaces yet. But their changes to OSX lately are weird. The maximize window functionality is frustrating.
    06-22-2014 01:58 PM
  15. fatclue_98's Avatar
    Oh yes, OSX was much better. In some ways still better than W7. I can't believe Microsoft hasn't added workspaces yet. But their changes to OSX lately are weird. The maximize window functionality is frustrating.
    Agreed. Maverick would never have gotten past Jobs. Say what you will about him, he knew what he wanted and made sure that form followed function.
    06-22-2014 02:21 PM
  16. a5cent's Avatar
    I've never used OS X, but I like a clean looking desktop. My taskbar auto hides. I have nothing on my desktop, not even the recycle bin.
    An old saying goes: an uncluttered desktop (well, originally it was just desk) is a sign of an uncluttered mind ;-)
    06-22-2014 02:36 PM
  17. fatclue_98's Avatar
    An old saying goes: an uncluttered desktop (well, originally it was just desk) is a sign of an uncluttered mind ;-)
    An uncluttered desk(top) is the sign of a person who shouldn't be trusted.
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    06-22-2014 04:48 PM
  18. a5cent's Avatar
    An uncluttered desk(top) is the sign of a person who shouldn't be trusted.
    lol... busted...
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    06-22-2014 05:28 PM
  19. rodan01's Avatar
    I've been scratching my head trying to figure out why you thought it was necessary to mention this person's transgender status. ...




    I understand this person still works in MS. I don't know what name you have to use to search for the video. Besides, these things aren't common where I live, I guess It's interesting for me.







    Anyways, the video is good, she explain how they convinced Gates to drop the web and develop WPF/Silverlight which was a total failure. 10 years later MS said -our strategy has shifted- dropped Silverlight and now they're pushing web technologies as an application platform again.
    06-22-2014 09:26 PM
  20. Wall iPhone's Avatar
    Microsoft has ruled the computer world in the 90's right up until Mac OS X came out. Until that point, they called the shots, they decided what was good and bad. IE was the most liked browser in comparison to Netscape and AOL.

    Then Apple released Mac OS X. For the first time, an OS wasn't just useful, it was beautiful. Shortly before, Apple started releasing computer with colours, moking their beige PC counterparts.

    During that time, Microsoft released Windows XP which, at the beginning, got a lot of hatred. Then they got working on Windows Longhorn which was supposed to be XP's successor. But when they saw how popular Mac was becoming,
    OS X popular? Have you seen the users statistics for OS:s?

    When I met my wife she had a MAC, and she told me MAC was the best, and that MAC OS was much better and more intuitive and simple to use than Windows. I myself had used Windows all my life, so I gave MAC OS a go. I found MAC OS to be way more confusing than Windows. Apps wouldn't fully close, unless you press command key + X, yes, really intuitive.. No delete button, as you somehow only need a backspace button in MAC OS while typing??? Only one mouse button, forcing you to always have to go to the "command field" up top, no shortcuts like you have on right click in windows. Almost no compatible programs, and when you found them, installations often where buggy or failed. This also applied to USB accessories, nothing was plug and play, and almost everything you bought had to be MAC branded and was way more expensive, or it wouldn't work with the computer.

    I had more issues but luckily most of them has been forgotten, since I we don't use the MAC these days. Today, my wife only uses Windows, she thinks Windows is much easier and more intuitive to use.
    06-24-2014 02:22 AM
  21. MDMcAtee's Avatar
    Well..I got my first Mac last month and love it compared to any Windows desktop .

    Folks are just set in their ways,I know I was,but my iMac running Maverick is simple to use and understand,and the support I have received from the Apple store is light years ahead of any I have ever received from anyplace else I have ever purchased a computer from. I use a Logitech mouse and both Apples keyboard and super track pad and it works fantastic.

    I don't see how folks can say it's difficult to master now heck they even have everything set up and ready to go when you get home with it,and won't let you leave without making sure you can work with it.

    I know my opinion doesn't mean a lot but while I like how my WP looks,I dislike how a Windows desktop looks with Win 8.1.
    06-24-2014 08:05 AM
  22. dlalonde's Avatar
    I never said Mac OS X was MORE popular than Windows.

    Up until OSX, Mac was seen as a marginal, "not compatible with PC" machine. Very few people were using it and its cost was of course absurdly high (and still is in my opinion).

    The OSX came out, and as someone pointed out, with Intel processors. Apple's OS was a beautiful, well built and now you could use the same file on both Mac and PC. Apple then proceeded in turning to people saying "If you're a spreadsheet boring beige type of person, then by all means, stay with Windows and PCs. But if you're a fun, creative, colorful person, for your everyday stuff, then Macs are the way to go!"

    And people seemed to have bought that... Mac OS was becoming more popular than it was and was no longer just a marginal OS anymore.

    Microsoft didn't want to lose their non business shares and tried to make Windows as beautiful (or more) than OS x (Vista).
    06-24-2014 09:16 AM
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