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  1. BataBole's Avatar
    Take a look at Wikipedia. There exists a 'single language edition', just like there are 'professional', 'home' and 'enterprise' editions. The 'single language edition' can be U.S. English.

    That is what I'm asking about.
    http://infocom.ba/v3/index.php?optio...0&artikl=11226 Oh, I just found one 8.1 and I believe SL stands for 'single language'. It retail as about 140$.
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    06-22-2014 07:14 PM
  2. MDMcAtee's Avatar
    Yes it is brutal. I remember when Windows Vista came out. Prices went like this: Vista basic 200$, Vista home 300$, Vista professional 400$ and Vista ultimate 500$.

    Lets face it, Bosnia is poor country where medical doctors have salary about 500-700$ so we can't afford original/genuine products. And then we go to pirate bay and get it for free.

    Conclusion is this, piracy is important part of our lives here. Don't get me wrong, I'm not supporting it, but that's just the way it is.
    Sorry...but if you are advocating the practices and actively using pirated software then you are supporting it regardless what your financial circumstance happen to be.

    As what has been said...theft is theft
    06-22-2014 07:27 PM
  3. josh715m's Avatar
    Sorry...but if you are advocating the practices and actively using pirated software then you are supporting it regardless what your financial circumstance happen to be.

    As what has been said...theft is theft
    It's not like that, you have to understand that there are many countries where people lives with very low salaries, and it's hard to justify spending half what you earn in a month buying a copy of Windows. Normally the prices are higher for software and technology in third world countries..... imagine if you're a uni student it is almost impossible to cover the cost in software alone...
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    06-22-2014 07:47 PM
  4. colinkiama's Avatar
    You can now side load windows phone apps with app studio. This is the dawn of the pirates ;)
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    06-22-2014 07:51 PM
  5. k0de's Avatar
    It's not like that, you have to understand that there are many countries where people lives with very low salaries, and it's hard to justify spending half what you earn in a month buying a copy of Windows. Normally the prices are higher for software and technology in third world countries..... imagine if you're a uni student it is almost impossible to cover the cost in software alone...
    Agree with MDMcAtee. Theft is theft. I come from a third world nation also and now I live in the United States. The Dominican Republic to be exact. Piracy exist there too. And piracy is not the only option there. Family members and some villagers ask for support from fellow Dominicans here in the states when they want to purchase something current. Bosnia or what ever is no excuse.

    There has to be some work around in this guy region.

    Plainly said like MDMcAtee said piracy is theft and I wont support it.
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    06-22-2014 08:18 PM
  6. Jas00555's Avatar
    Agree with MDMcAtee. Theft is theft. I come from a third world nation also and now I live in the United States. The Dominican Republic to be exact. Piracy exist there too. And piracy is not the only option there. Family members and some villagers ask for support from fellow Dominicans here in the states when they want to purchase something current. Bosnia or what ever is no excuse.

    There has to be some work around in this guy region.

    Plainly said like MDMcAtee said piracy is theft and I wont support it.
    I disagree slightly with this. If you absolutely cannot afford the 100 and whatever dollars that it takes to buy Windows and you'll either download Windows for free (but you'll use, say, the free Windows store money from Bing to buy apps) or download Linux for free, I'm ok with stealing a copy of Windows. I (and I assume Microsoft too) would rather someone spend, say, $20 in the Windows ecosystem as opposed to downloading Linux and spending none. Obviously Microsoft would prefer you buy Windows THEN spend $20 on apps, but something is better than nothing and some people just cannot afford it.

    (as a disclaimer, I fully admit to legally buying 100% of my copies of Windows)
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    06-22-2014 08:34 PM
  7. switch side method's Avatar
    Its quite simple.... If you want it and cant afford it...then save up. How would you like it if you spent months making an app and hoping to get paid only for people like you to pirate the software. Did it ever occur to you that some things you pirated maybe made by someone in a 3rd world country trying to make some money ?? Obviously not. But knowing a high percentage of piracy includes bugs in the programmes is a little bit of comfort to me. Just remember one thing tho... If you get mugged and robbed in the street...dont cry and go to the police..after all its just piracy and he took from you what you took from some one else
    06-22-2014 08:39 PM
  8. josh715m's Avatar
    Agree with MDMcAtee. Theft is theft. I come from a third world nation also and now I live in the United States. The Dominican Republic to be exact. Piracy exist there too. And piracy is not the only option there. Family members and some villagers ask for support from fellow Dominicans here in the states when they want to purchase something current. Bosnia or what ever is no excuse.

    There has to be some work around in this guy region.

    Plainly said like MDMcAtee said piracy is theft and I wont support it.
    I kind of agree that sometimes there is a workaround, I for example buy some software from the US and bring it to my country through some courier. I'm know that it's not fair to steal the work from other people. But there are other software like Solidworks which it's too expensive and I couldn't afford it, anyway I only used it like 20 times. I even got in contact with them trying to get a student discount but my country was not officially supported. So no luck.
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    06-22-2014 08:42 PM
  9. k0de's Avatar
    I disagree slightly with this. If you absolutely cannot afford the 100 and whatever dollars that it takes to buy Windows and you'll either download Windows for free (but you'll use, say, the free Windows store money from Bing to buy apps) or download Linux for free, I'm ok with stealing a copy of Windows. I (and I assume Microsoft too) would rather someone spend, say, $20 in the Windows ecosystem as opposed to downloading Linux and spending none. Obviously Microsoft would prefer you buy Windows THEN spend $20 on apps, but something is better than nothing and some people just cannot afford it.

    (as a disclaimer, I fully admit to legally buying 100% of my copies of Windows)
    Your point is valid for long term used if piracy stops at a purchased of a Windows software. But the sad truth is piracy will continue through the life cycle of this purchase.

    I understand your point. It it will be valid only if your suggestion stand.

    Problem: From experience in the hood of NY. Once a pirate a pirate for life.

    Meaning apps and other purchases will be made from the black market also.

    This applies to everything imaginable not just Software.
    06-22-2014 08:44 PM
  10. Jas00555's Avatar
    Its quite simple.... If you want it and cant afford it...then save up. How would you like it if you spent months making an app and hoping to get paid only for people like you to pirate the software. Did it ever occur to you that some things you pirated maybe made by someone in a 3rd world country trying to make some money ?? Obviously not. But knowing a high percentage of piracy includes bugs in the programmes is a little bit of comfort to me. Just remember one thing tho... If you get mugged and robbed in the street...dont cry and go to the police..after all its just piracy and he took from you what you took from some one else
    Or to put it another way using the example that I gave above: Would you rather someone pirate an app that you made, but download IAPs and give you ad revenue or would you rather someone just use a competitor's app? I'm assuming the 2nd option.
    06-22-2014 08:46 PM
  11. Jas00555's Avatar
    Your point is valid for long term used if piracy stops at a purchased of Windows a software. But the sad truth is piracy will continue through the life cycle of this purchase.

    I understand your point. It it will be valid only if your suggestion stand.

    Problem: From experience in the hood of NY. Once a pirate a pirate for life.

    Meaning apps and other purchases will be made from the black market also.

    This applies to everything imaginable not just Software.
    I understand what you're saying and I realize that does happen, but its not always the case.

    Take the hit TV series Game of Thrones for example. The, I believe, producer of the show has said that its 100% ok to pirate every episode of the show because those pirates are more likely to spend money on merchandise and stuff like that that still supports the show. Obviously that doesn't always happen, but by giving someone access to Windows, while it wont make someone spend money on other software, it will make them more likely to, and a slight chance is better than no chance (as it would be if someone downloaded Linux).
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    06-22-2014 08:52 PM
  12. k0de's Avatar
    I kind of agree that sometimes there is a workaround, I for example buy some software from the US and bring it to my country through some courier. I'm know that it's not fair to steal the work from other people. But there are other software like Solidworks which it's too expensive and I couldn't afford it, anyway I only used it like 20 times. I even got in contact with them trying to get a student discount but my country was not officially supported. So no luck.
    Keep looking josh715m MSFT makes it easy and perhaps is the most charitable Organization in the world in terms of free.

    I agree you do have to know where to look.

    Besides like a black market movie. Pirate software is horrible. Why support it?
    06-22-2014 08:53 PM
  13. k0de's Avatar
    I understand what you're saying and I realize that does happen, but its not always the case.

    Take the hit TV series Game of Thrones for example. The, I believe, producer of the show has said that its 100% ok to pirate every episode of the show because those pirates are more likely to spend money on merchandise and stuff like that that still supports the show. Obviously that doesn't always happen, but by giving someone access to Windows, while it wont make someone spend money on other software, it will make them more likely to, and a slight chance is better than no chance (as it would be if someone downloaded Linux).
    Ok. This is all I have left to say.

    My NL 925 bought at T-Mobile is flawless. I haven't experienced any faults like many users of NL 925 through out the world. Not just in these forums.

    1. My phone is authentic
    2. Only authentic apps make my app list.
    3. Third party apps are not an exemption.
    4. Every MSFT software on my phone was purchased from MSFT

    Thus my Windows Phone experience is Excellent.

    Last words: Piracy is a crime and is theft. It is also a state of mind.

    Sometimes I save up for months just to purchase a .99 cents app.

    You can do the same.

    Last but not least a authentic experience is flawless.
    06-22-2014 09:06 PM
  14. Jas00555's Avatar
    Ok. This is all I have left to say.

    My NL 925 bought at T-Mobile is flawless. I haven't experienced any faults like many users of NL 925 through out the world. Not just in these forums.

    1. My phone is authentic
    2. Only authentic apps make my app lie.
    3. Third party apps are not an exemption.
    4. Every MSFT is from MSFT

    Thus my Windows Phone experience.
    Excellent.

    Last words: Piracy is a crime and is theft. It is also a state of mind.

    Sometimes I save up for months just to purchase a .99 cents app. You can do the same.

    Last but not least a authentic experience is flawless.
    I completely understand what you mean. That's why I always legally buy my copies of things that I want.

    However, I have more money than people in 3rd world countries and if you're the type of person who only makes $1000 USD a year, it would be suicide (sometimes literally) to spend $200 on a piece of software.

    I say if you can afford it, then buy it, but if you can't (and lets be honest here, some people legitimately can't) then by all means choose free Windows over free Linux.

    That's what I believe and we'll have to agree to disagree.
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    06-22-2014 09:16 PM
  15. mjrtoo's Avatar
    I completely understand what you mean. That's why I always legally buy my copies of things that I want.

    However, I have more money than people in 3rd world countries and if you're the type of person who only makes $1000 USD a year, it would be suicide (sometimes literally) to spend $200 on a piece of software.

    I say if you can afford it, then buy it, but if you can't (and lets be honest here, some people legitimately can't) then by all means choose free Windows over free Linux.

    That's what I believe and we'll have to agree to disagree.
    Oh yeah, absolutely, if you can't afford it steal it...

    Yeaaaah right....sheesh
    06-22-2014 09:21 PM
  16. k0de's Avatar
    I completely understand what you mean. That's why I always legally buy my copies of things that I want.

    However, I have more money than people in 3rd world countries and if you're the type of person who only makes $1000 USD a year, it would be suicide (sometimes literally) to spend $200 on a piece of software.

    I say if you can afford it, then buy it, but if you can't (and lets be honest here, some people legitimately can't) then by all means choose free Windows over free Linux.

    That's what I believe and we'll have to agree to disagree.
    I have people back home living on 50 dollars a month. Kid you not there is only (1) computer for the entire village. Provided by friends and family here in the states.

    But if they decide to pirate, support will be cut off.

    There is work around for everything in life. Software is not exempt. No excuses for piracy.

    Again like any other criminal activity. Piracy is a state of mind.

    Besides piracy software quality is horrible and not only that. You support some criminal organization when you purchase their products.
    06-22-2014 09:22 PM
  17. Jas00555's Avatar
    Oh yeah, absolutely, if you can't afford it steal it...

    Yeaaaah right....sheesh
    Hey, say what you want, but I would rather someone spend a little on me than a little on my competitor. If you can't see why a little is better than zero, then I can't help you.
    06-22-2014 09:26 PM
  18. k0de's Avatar
    Nice to hear that. But in our countries everything is expensive so the piracy is luxury for us xD
    It is a sstate of mind dude. Luxury to the criminals organizations feeding on your needs.

    Please only buy aauthentic products going forth. Be careful. I have what you need doesn't necessarily make me your best friend. Kind regards to you and fam.
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    06-22-2014 09:36 PM
  19. Jas00555's Avatar
    I have people back home living on 50 dollars a month. Kid you not there is only (1) computer for the entire village. Provided by friends and family here in the states.

    But if they decide to pirate, support will be cut off.

    There is work around for everything in life. Software is not exempt. No excuses for piracy.

    Again like any other criminal activity. Piracy is a state of mind.

    Besides piracy software quality is horrible and not only that. You support some criminal organization when you purchase their products.
    I get what you're saying about there being workarounds, but that's kind of my point with support being cut off. Someone shouldn't get the same support if they haven't paid their fair share and if there's a problem, then that's what they deserve. They should get what they pay for.

    For my anecdotal example, I have this friend (seriously, its a friend, not me) that wanted to play Halo 2, but he wanted to know the story of Halo: CE first and to know whether he would've liked the series. Now, we can argue about whether he should've bought it or not, but he stole it. He enjoyed the game so much that he's since bought every Halo game thus far except for Wars and Spartan Assault... And that would've never happened if he hadn't stole Halo: CE. We can argue whether he should've or not, but the simple fact is that Bungie/343 studios/Microsoft made over $150 that they wouldn't have gotten if they had made it impossible to steal Halo: CE.

    Also, it may be that I don't deal in international black market software, but what organizations are you supporting by stealing Windows? I don't necessarily think that the Bosnia and Herzegovina mafia is selling these pirated copies.
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    06-22-2014 09:36 PM
  20. SSgt Bruskowiz's Avatar
    The OP is wrong.
    His country falls under European law. No exceptions.
    06-22-2014 09:42 PM
  21. k0de's Avatar
    I get what you're saying about there being workarounds, but that's kind of my point with support being cut off. Someone shouldn't get the same support if they haven't paid their fair share and if there's a problem, then that's what they deserve. They should get what they pay for.

    For my anecdotal example, I have this friend (seriously, its a friend, not me) that wanted to play Halo 2, but he wanted to know the story of Halo: CE first and to know whether he would've liked the series. Now, we can argue about whether he should've bought it or not, but he stole it. He enjoyed the game so much that he's since bought every Halo game thus far except for Wars and Spartan Assault... And that would've never happened if he hadn't stole Halo: CE. We can argue whether he should've or not, but the simple fact is that Bungie/343 studios/Microsoft made over $150 that they wouldn't have gotten if they had made it impossible to steal Halo: CW.

    Also, it may be that I don't deal in international black marker software, but what organizations are you supporting by stealing Windows? I don't necessarily think that the Bosnia and Herzegovina mafia is selling these pirated copies.
    F MSFT. But hard work and creative thinking is the theft.

    For example. Let give you all the programming tools in the world. Right? And you happen to make a break through on software.

    But some guy copies your work and with no hard work makes a fortune from your hard work and effort.

    How will you feel?

    Not ok I assume. Same applies here MSFT is hard at work. Not for some pirate but for the WP ecosystem. And they expect to make a profit from their hard work.

    How can they profit? If some pirate or criminal organization is selling their product for 1/4 of the price?

    To make anything in life there is a cost. Then there is a return in investment.

    Pirates don't invest. They reap Return on investments. 3000% profit when MSFT is just trying to retain 10% of their Return on Investments.

    Point blank is injustice and it shouldn't be supported no matter what is the circumstances of an individual life.
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    06-22-2014 09:46 PM
  22. Jas00555's Avatar
    F MSFT. But hard work and creative thinking is the theft.

    For example. Let give you all the programming tools in the world. Right? And you happen to make a break through on software.

    But some guy copies your work and with no hard work makes a fortune from your hard work and effort.

    How will you feel?

    Not ok I assume. Same applies here MSFT is hard at work. Not for some pirate but for the WP ecosystem. And they expect to make a profit from their hard work.

    How can they profit? If some pirate or criminal organization is selling their product for 1/4 of the price.

    Point blank is injustice and it shouldn't be supported no matter what is the circumstances of an individual life.
    See, were talking about 2 different things. You're talking about someone selling illegal copies and I'm talking about stealing. Yes, what you're saying is 100% illegal, but what I'm saying has some gray area.

    But to answer your question, yes, I would rather make an app and have some people steal it knowing that I'll still be getting ad revenue and possible IAP as opposed to those people not downloading it at all.
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    06-22-2014 09:53 PM
  23. k0de's Avatar
    See, were talking about 2 different things. You're talking about someone selling illegal copies and I'm talking about stealing. Yes, what you're saying is 100% illegal, but what I'm saying has some gray area.

    But to answer your question, yes, I would rather make an app and have some people steal it knowing that I'll still be getting ad revenue and possible IAP as opposed to those people not downloading it at all.
    Goodnight.
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    06-22-2014 09:54 PM
  24. fatclue_98's Avatar
    If you live in a poor country, and I came from one of the poorest, Windows is not a priority. Building a raft to come to Miami is where your time and energy goes. If you want to live like the pretty people do, there's a price to pay. There are no shortcuts. I don't want to hear a word about how it's ok to steal software from MS or cigarettes from the guy who owns the bodega in the corner. The 'hood mentality works on hip-hop videos but it'll get your a** kicked in the real world.
    06-22-2014 11:31 PM
  25. rex.reyesiii's Avatar
    Wow I was reminded of Les Miserables reading this thread. (Stealing bread because I'm poor etc).
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    06-22-2014 11:41 PM
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